Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

Chuck Schumer wants to bleed the fear of China TDS Flu to the max but when it interferes with the Socialists immigration agenda he balks

Sorry Charlie, can't have it both ways

Is Chinese TDS Flu real or not effing Chuck?

Sue the fearmongers in media and leftists

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Must be a Capitalist digging the whole. What's not shown are the 20 socialists/progressives leaning against their shovels outside watching the progress and waiting to cash their paychecks. Nice job on cropping.

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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This may be the most lucrative job in this environment. Hope there's not a run on shovels.

Love hearing liberals saying this isn't political. Chernobyl? ***?

My company just imposed a companywide business travel ban until further notice. I am a traveling salesman in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Southeastern New Mexico. Looks like I will be an inside salesman a few weeks. Actually kind of a blessing since my 83 year old mother is fighting some serious health issues and not doing well.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Pretty simple question, why don't you answer? If our roles were reversed you'd just assign me the more damaging answer. You do it like clockwork. I am giving you the respect to own your very own answer. Go for it.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Pretty simple question, why don't you answer? If our roles were reversed you'd just assign me the more damaging answer. You do it like clockwork. I am giving you the respect to own your very own answer. Go for it.

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Again, I answered in great detail more than once. Are you unwilling to look at those, that you want me to post it all over again? Or - by saying you are asking a "simple question" - are you trying to distill the whole matter of virology into a one-size-fits-all condition?

For an example, let's go into the matter of 'containment'. You seem to think containment means boxing the virus in, which has happened exactly zero times in human history. Ergo, containment in terms of a virus does not mean locking it away or sealing a country, but rather taking the most effective actions to limit the spread of the virus, which is indeed what the US has done. A simple examination of how COVID-19 has spread in Europe, Asia and the Middle East versus its cases in the US should plainly reveal that the US actions have been more effective in limiting new cases in the US, which is containment by definition.

You seem to be trying very hard to play 'gotcha' games, quash. I'd much rather discuss the facts and progress towards effective treatment and vaccination, as indeed my previous posts on the virus have tried to do.

If you insist on the first option, I decline to play that game. If you wish to try the second option, then I must again ask you to seriously consider what I have already presented, as it is useful, reliable since it comes from medical authorities rather than some special-interest group of mass media, and provides reasonable minds grounds for confidence and cooperation.

CHP Bear said:

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The Coronavirus has caused and will cause more deaths. Life goes on. Take precautions and live. I'm headed out to enjoy life. As for the bleeding heart socialist/progressives, just think of the Coronavirus deaths as late term abortions. Feel better now?

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^^^ Post of the day?

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

---

** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

---

But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Did you know Quash is a lawyer? He should be mentally competent shouldn't he?

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

---

But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Did you know Quash is a lawyer? He should be mentally competent shouldn't he?

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Florda, you're not helping, you know.

For a number of reasons,on this issue I would really prefer to address facts and solutions, especially the ones which help ground emotions and quell hysteria. Too many people are looking for cheap scores on this issue, when the adults in the room should be discussing more rational perspectives.

I'm sure quash has excellent skills in his field, but that does not make him well-versed in epidemiology. He obviously has no interest in my own research, yet will not look for himself. But quash is far from the only rational person who seems to be letting emotion cloud his judgment here.

I believe from your posts that you like to troll the Left. Fair enough most days and Lord knows many arrogant people deserve a smack-down, but on an issue like this, when so many are stressed and ready to believe absolute garbage about COVID-19, I really wish we could set up a place where we focus on facts and data rather than hype and trash talk.

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Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

---

** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

---

But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Did you know Quash is a lawyer? He should be mentally competent shouldn't he?

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Florda, you're not helping, you know.

For a number of reasons,on this issue I would really prefer to address facts and solutions, especially the ones which help ground emotions and quell hysteria. Too many people are looking for cheap scores on this issue, when the adults in the room should be discussing more rational perspectives.

I'm sure quash has excellent skills in his field, but that does not make him well-versed in epidemiology. He obviously has no interest in my own research, yet will not look for himself. But quash is far from the only rational person who seems to be letting emotion cloud his judgment here.

I believe from your posts that you like to troll the Left. Fair enough most days and Lord knows many arrogant people deserve a smack-down, but on an issue like this, when so many are stressed and ready to believe absolute garbage about COVID-19, I really wish we could set up a place where we focus on facts and data rather than hype and trash talk.

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OldBear you've been around long enough to know the above just plain ain't going to work around these here parts ole buddy

If you think you're gonna get Quash, Jinx, Cinque, BJM or their ilk to engage in logical intelligent discussion concerning the facts you present, you're waaaaay out yonder in the wishful thinking area

That's why I am how I am! I've tried your and Bearitto's route with those guys in past and they won't listen. They have an agenda and don't sway from it one iota

You're beating your head against a wall trying with them

Sadly, you could be as me in future is what I see

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

---

But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

---

I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

---

Pretty simple question, why don't you answer? If our roles were reversed you'd just assign me the more damaging answer. You do it like clockwork. I am giving you the respect to own your very own answer. Go for it.

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Again, I answered in great detail more than once. Are you unwilling to look at those, that you want me to post it all over again? Or - by saying you are asking a "simple question" - are you trying to distill the whole matter of virology into a one-size-fits-all condition?

For an example, let's go into the matter of 'containment'. You seem to think containment means boxing the virus in, which has happened exactly zero times in human history. Ergo, containment in terms of a virus does not mean locking it away or sealing a country, but rather taking the most effective actions to limit the spread of the virus, which is indeed what the US has done. A simple examination of how COVID-19 has spread in Europe, Asia and the Middle East versus its cases in the US should plainly reveal that the US actions have been more effective in limiting new cases in the US, which is containment by definition.

You seem to be trying very hard to play 'gotcha' games, quash. I'd much rather discuss the facts and progress towards effective treatment and vaccination, as indeed my previous posts on the virus have tried to do.

If you insist on the first option, I decline to play that game. If you wish to try the second option, then I must again ask you to seriously consider what I have already presented, as it is useful, reliable since it comes from medical authorities rather than some special-interest group of mass media, and provides reasonable minds grounds for confidence and cooperation.

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So "no", thanks. I understand why you want to provide a definition of containment that is distinct from whatever it is the media is using, and I'll take it. Remember that next time I propose a definition.

Look: no gotcha.

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Bearitto said:

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

---

** sigh **

I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

---

I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

---

Pretty simple question, why don't you answer? If our roles were reversed you'd just assign me the more damaging answer. You do it like clockwork. I am giving you the respect to own your very own answer. Go for it.

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Again, I answered in great detail more than once. Are you unwilling to look at those, that you want me to post it all over again? Or - by saying you are asking a "simple question" - are you trying to distill the whole matter of virology into a one-size-fits-all condition?

For an example, let's go into the matter of 'containment'. You seem to think containment means boxing the virus in, which has happened exactly zero times in human history. Ergo, containment in terms of a virus does not mean locking it away or sealing a country, but rather taking the most effective actions to limit the spread of the virus, which is indeed what the US has done. A simple examination of how COVID-19 has spread in Europe, Asia and the Middle East versus its cases in the US should plainly reveal that the US actions have been more effective in limiting new cases in the US, which is containment by definition.

You seem to be trying very hard to play 'gotcha' games, quash. I'd much rather discuss the facts and progress towards effective treatment and vaccination, as indeed my previous posts on the virus have tried to do.

If you insist on the first option, I decline to play that game. If you wish to try the second option, then I must again ask you to seriously consider what I have already presented, as it is useful, reliable since it comes from medical authorities rather than some special-interest group of mass media, and provides reasonable minds grounds for confidence and cooperation.

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So "no", thanks. I understand why you want to provide a definition of containment that is distinct from whatever it is the media is using, and I'll take it. Remember that next time I propose a definition.

Look: no gotcha.

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Of course it's a 'gotcha'. Look at your last quip: "Remember the next time I propose a definition". I am using 'containment' as it is used in the medical field, not according to some subjective use for my own advantage. And I as I said, I am trying to discuss the issue as objectively as possible, with a focus on finding solutiomns and respect for the work being done.

You have apparently decided not to take part in a discussion that does not let you "win". That is disappointing, especially since you were reasonably correcting Waco's hyperbole in a different thread discussing this issue, just as I recently tried to reason with Florda.

I hoped for better.

Read my reply

I'm right, you know!

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Given the speed of transmission right now and the fact that it is not detectable when first communicable, I would suggest that it will be a matter of months before it's a world wide issue.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

What I said was that a lot of the media hysteria was, and is, complete BS.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

Sad, that.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Pretty simple question, why don't you answer? If our roles were reversed you'd just assign me the more damaging answer. You do it like clockwork. I am giving you the respect to own your very own answer. Go for it.

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Again, I answered in great detail more than once. Are you unwilling to look at those, that you want me to post it all over again? Or - by saying you are asking a "simple question" - are you trying to distill the whole matter of virology into a one-size-fits-all condition?

For an example, let's go into the matter of 'containment'. You seem to think containment means boxing the virus in, which has happened exactly zero times in human history. Ergo, containment in terms of a virus does not mean locking it away or sealing a country, but rather taking the most effective actions to limit the spread of the virus, which is indeed what the US has done. A simple examination of how COVID-19 has spread in Europe, Asia and the Middle East versus its cases in the US should plainly reveal that the US actions have been more effective in limiting new cases in the US, which is containment by definition.

You seem to be trying very hard to play 'gotcha' games, quash. I'd much rather discuss the facts and progress towards effective treatment and vaccination, as indeed my previous posts on the virus have tried to do.

If you insist on the first option, I decline to play that game. If you wish to try the second option, then I must again ask you to seriously consider what I have already presented, as it is useful, reliable since it comes from medical authorities rather than some special-interest group of mass media, and provides reasonable minds grounds for confidence and cooperation.

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So "no", thanks. I understand why you want to provide a definition of containment that is distinct from whatever it is the media is using, and I'll take it. Remember that next time I propose a definition.

Look: no gotcha.

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Of course it's a 'gotcha'. Look at your last quip: "Remember the next time I propose a definition". I am using 'containment' as it is used in the medical field, not according to some subjective use for my own advantage. And I as I said, I am trying to discuss the issue as objectively as possible, with a focus on finding solutiomns and respect for the work being done.

You have apparently decided not to take part in a discussion that does not let you "win". That is disappointing, especially since you were reasonably correcting Waco's hyperbole in a different thread discussing this issue, just as I recently tried to reason with Florda.

I hoped for better.

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Remember to show me the same respect next time is all I said. That is not a gotcha, that is a request.

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How can that be? OldBear said this is still a contained virus.

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I never said COVID-19 was held to one country. News flash, you cannot hermetically seal a country or region from a virus.

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But that's not what you said. At all.

2/25/20 @ 9:47am, BearFan33: "Is it fair to say that we have lost containment?"

2/25/20 @ 10:16am, OldBear83: "No, that would not be a fair statement."

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BJM continues to fail at reading comprehension.

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Well, glad to know you were able to find work, and are proud enough to share a scene of your first day, BJM.

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Have we lost containment?

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Spend some time listening to an epidemiologist, since you cannot follow my explanations.

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I didn't ask about your simplistic explanations. I asked if we'd lost containment. You've been dodging that for a while now.

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I answered in depth some time ago. You obviously failed to grasp what I was saying, so I simply recommended you listen to people in the field.

Your refusal to do so speaks to your attitude, not my position.

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Did you know Quash is a lawyer? He should be mentally competent shouldn't he?

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Florda, you're not helping, you know.

For a number of reasons,on this issue I would really prefer to address facts and solutions, especially the ones which help ground emotions and quell hysteria. Too many people are looking for cheap scores on this issue, when the adults in the room should be discussing more rational perspectives.

I'm sure quash has excellent skills in his field, but that does not make him well-versed in epidemiology. He obviously has no interest in my own research, yet will not look for himself. But quash is far from the only rational person who seems to be letting emotion cloud his judgment here.

I believe from your posts that you like to troll the Left. Fair enough most days and Lord knows many arrogant people deserve a smack-down, but on an issue like this, when so many are stressed and ready to believe absolute garbage about COVID-19, I really wish we could set up a place where we focus on facts and data rather than hype and trash talk.

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The good thing about Coronavirus is for people under 50 this is a pretty average illness with good recovery results, 99.7% or so.

Unfortunately for the elderly and immunity compromised, it has been pretty bad. Such as the 15 deaths in a single Washington nursing home.

Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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Unfortunately for the elderly and immunity compromised, it has been pretty bad. Such as the 15 deaths in a single Washington nursing home.

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Not sure the age or condition of those in the nursing home but sometimes this can be a blessing. I say this as a couple, one over 80 and one approaching. We have seen lots of loved ones on both sides of the family in hopeless conditions in nursing homes.

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Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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There was never a chance for containment in this or any other democracy.

Post that fear there bubba

What do you say about 18 American deaths compared to 20,000 deaths in US with the normal flu? Why hype the 18 and say nothing of the 20,000? 70,000 were killed by flu in our country last year and not a peep, why? No schools closed last year or this for that 90,000 deaths, why not?

What do you think about the average age of death from this "killer" flu being over 80 years old? 80!

What do you think about there being no cases below 15 years old? None!

< 4000 killed wordwide is <20% killed by normal flu in the USA! <20%! Why the hype on the <20%?

And in April the flu season tapers off and this goes away

The gullible here, by otherwise intelligent humans, is astounding absolutely astounding

The numbers are infinitely inadequate for the hype we're seeing from media and the fear that people have bought into. Shameful is the ignorance here and worldwide.

Fear rules over sanity

What a study of the power of the biased media and their ability to promote. What else have we bought into over time that was ridiculously overhyped?

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Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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That is not what containment means in terms of a virus. There is no virus, in all of history, which has been restricted from geographic migration.

Since so many people focus only on the alarmist hysteria, I am once again pointing to the known facts and reason for confidence:

88% of known patients (people who exhibited symptoms and went to a doctor, who confirmed the virus through testing) only experience mild symptoms

94% of patients who experienced serious symptoms fully recovered

The case total noted by media includes cases already resolved - the actual number of known active cases at this time is 47,340

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html

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Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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That is not what containment means in terms of a virus.

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It is. That's the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic.

The mortality rate is a whole other issue, and it's not good either.

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Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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That is not what containment means in terms of a virus.

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It is. That's the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic.

The mortality rate is a whole other issue, and it's not good either.

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You are mistaken on that count as well, Sam.

COVID-19 has a much lower mortality rate, for example, than either the SARS virus of 2012 or the MERS virus of 2015. Media exaggeration has, in part, come from bad math caused by invalid assumptions, as reported in the Imperial College of Medicine article I linked to above, plus other sources.

Also, the director of the World Health Organization is already on record saying that 'pandemic' is inaccurate and not helpful in describing the situation. Again, already cited above.

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Containment is a geographical term. We have lost containment.

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It is. That's the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic.

The mortality rate is a whole other issue, and it's not good either.

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You are mistaken on that count as well, Sam.

COVID-19 has a much lower mortality rate, for example, than either the SARS virus of 2012 or the MERS virus of 2015. Media exaggeration has, in part, come from bad math caused by invalid assumptions, as reported in the Imperial College of Medicine article I linked to above, plus other sources.

Also, the director of the World Health Organization is already on record saying that 'pandemic' is inaccurate and not helpful in describing the situation. Again, already cited above.

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You mean this guy?

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