Do some more research.Florda_mike said:ATL Bear said:
Big jump in new cases today. Will update when daily cycle ends at 8pm EST (12am GMT). Mortality rate remains steady. Deaths are still overwhelmingly (97%+) over 65 and/or underlying health condition.
Mortality rate has decreased to 1.2%
More testing happening now
Bet it ends up about same as normal flu
Waco1947 said:Do some more research.Florda_mike said:ATL Bear said:
Big jump in new cases today. Will update when daily cycle ends at 8pm EST (12am GMT). Mortality rate remains steady. Deaths are still overwhelmingly (97%+) over 65 and/or underlying health condition.
Mortality rate has decreased to 1.2%
More testing happening now
Bet it ends up about same as normal flu
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
ATL Bear said:March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
Sizable jump day over day. Mortality rate remains steady. Surprised at this point the testing continues to have such a high negative result (~90%).
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A simple and medically feasible strategy is available now for treating COVID-19 patients, transfuse blood plasma from recovered patients. The idea is that the antibodies from the recovered patients will help the infected patients. The idea is an old one and has been used before with some success. Here is Robert Kruse from Johns Hopkins (who also makes other suggestions):Quote:
A simple but potentially very effective tool that can be used in infectious outbreaks is to use the serum of patients who have recovered from the virus to treat patients who contract the virus in the future. Patients with resolved viral infection will develop a polyclonal antibody immune response to different viral antigens of 2019-nCoV. Some of these polyclonal anti-bodies will likely neutralize the virus and prevent new rounds of infection, and the patients with resolved infection should produce 2019-nCoV antibodies in high titer.Patients with resolved cases of 2019-nCoV can simply donate plasma, and then this plasma can be transfused into infected patients. Given that plasma donation is well established, and the transfusion of plasma is also routine medical care, this proposal does not need any new science or medical approvals in order to be put into place. Indeed, the same rationale was used in the treatment of several Ebola patients with convalescent serum during the outbreak in 20142015, including two American healthcare workers who became infected.
This is why so called "herd immunity" is so important. Our bodies will ultimately be the best defense, for ourselves and for vaccines now and in the future. This isn't an argument for or against precautionary measures, just a biological reality.jupiter said:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/convalescent-blood-therapy.htmlQuote:
A simple and medically feasible strategy is available now for treating COVID-19 patients, transfuse blood plasma from recovered patients. The idea is that the antibodies from the recovered patients will help the infected patients. The idea is an old one and has been used before with some success. Here is Robert Kruse from Johns Hopkins (who also makes other suggestions):Quote:
A simple but potentially very effective tool that can be used in infectious outbreaks is to use the serum of patients who have recovered from the virus to treat patients who contract the virus in the future. Patients with resolved viral infection will develop a polyclonal antibody immune response to different viral antigens of 2019-nCoV. Some of these polyclonal anti-bodies will likely neutralize the virus and prevent new rounds of infection, and the patients with resolved infection should produce 2019-nCoV antibodies in high titer.Patients with resolved cases of 2019-nCoV can simply donate plasma, and then this plasma can be transfused into infected patients. Given that plasma donation is well established, and the transfusion of plasma is also routine medical care, this proposal does not need any new science or medical approvals in order to be put into place. Indeed, the same rationale was used in the treatment of several Ebola patients with convalescent serum during the outbreak in 20142015, including two American healthcare workers who became infected.
Jack Bauer said:ATL Bear said:March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
Sizable jump day over day. Mortality rate remains steady. Surprised at this point the testing continues to have such a high negative result (~90%).
I believe NY has ramped up testing exponentially
ATL Bear said:This is why so called "herd immunity" is so important. Our bodies will ultimately be the best defense, for ourselves and for vaccines now and in the future. This isn't an argument for or against precautionary measures, just a biological reality.jupiter said:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/convalescent-blood-therapy.htmlQuote:
A simple and medically feasible strategy is available now for treating COVID-19 patients, transfuse blood plasma from recovered patients. The idea is that the antibodies from the recovered patients will help the infected patients. The idea is an old one and has been used before with some success. Here is Robert Kruse from Johns Hopkins (who also makes other suggestions):Quote:
A simple but potentially very effective tool that can be used in infectious outbreaks is to use the serum of patients who have recovered from the virus to treat patients who contract the virus in the future. Patients with resolved viral infection will develop a polyclonal antibody immune response to different viral antigens of 2019-nCoV. Some of these polyclonal anti-bodies will likely neutralize the virus and prevent new rounds of infection, and the patients with resolved infection should produce 2019-nCoV antibodies in high titer.Patients with resolved cases of 2019-nCoV can simply donate plasma, and then this plasma can be transfused into infected patients. Given that plasma donation is well established, and the transfusion of plasma is also routine medical care, this proposal does not need any new science or medical approvals in order to be put into place. Indeed, the same rationale was used in the treatment of several Ebola patients with convalescent serum during the outbreak in 20142015, including two American healthcare workers who became infected.
Wife has an employee whose husband is infected. Employee is mildly symptomatic. Hospital is refusing to test her based on low availability of tests and there assumption that she is infected. Anecdotal I know, but at least one likely positive test result that does not show as a positive test result.ATL Bear said:March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
Sizable jump day over day. Mortality rate remains steady. Surprised at this point the testing continues to have such a high negative result (~90%).
I agree-but if used widely it would skew the test results negative. It also has the impact of creating uncertainty.quash said:
That criterion makes sense while tests are rationed.
Booray said:I agree-but if used widely it would skew the test results negative. It also has the impact of creating uncertainty.quash said:
That criterion makes sense while tests are rationed.
For instance, wife saw this teacher last Monday. Probably was always more than 6 feet away. But still you never know. So wife is not going to be near the new grand baby who might have slight immuno issues. Would be a different decision if somehow the employee had avoided the virus and tested negative. Similar stories for everyone the employee may have been around.
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To be clear, any person known to have covid-19 should, of course, be isolated to avoid onward transmission. But this strategy alone - and the tracing and quarantine of contacts that is central to Singapore or Taiwan's strategy - is inadequate to the problem we are already facing in the United States. It's just a matter of numbers. If we only know about 1 in 10 cases, then even perfectly effective interventions on known cases can block only 10 percent of transmission. More likely in the United States, we know about an even lower proportion.
Lipsitch is a professor of epidemiology and the director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
Yes. But there are certain things that the Feds can do, that states cannot do ,min the way of marshaling resources and directing supplies to states for their use. For instance, most state funds expended on highways comes from the Federal government for state administered projects. However, in the Covid-19 case, the Defense Production Act gives the president authority to marshal and direct materials and resources as needed, which states do not have authority to do. States have been asking for this help now.riflebear said:
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.ATL Bear said:March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deathsATL Bear said:
Fewer new cases today than yesterday, and deaths due to Covid-19 declined for the third day. These are US numbers.
The following numbers are from Worldometer.
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
Sizable jump day over day. Mortality rate remains steady. Surprised at this point the testing continues to have such a high negative result (~90%).
Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
Well, good to know then. Here's hoping something works soon.riflebear said:Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
South Korea China and France all using it. So is New Orleans NYC etc. They had one of the best Drs in France interviewed by Dr Oz talking about how great it worked.
Still more studies/trials/tests need to be done but so far this seems to be the best thing out there and great news.
Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
Buddha Bear said:Well, good to know then. Here's hoping something works soon.riflebear said:Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
South Korea China and France all using it. So is New Orleans NYC etc. They had one of the best Drs in France interviewed by Dr Oz talking about how great it worked.
Still more studies/trials/tests need to be done but so far this seems to be the best thing out there and great news.
The problem has been with the FDA and using this is contrary to bureaucratic policies. Hydroxychloroquine has been used successfully in China and South Korea for weeks. China has already run trials with it. For some reason, at least in the media, the FDA is unwilling to recognize China and South Korean results, focusing instead on France's limited anecdotal use.riflebear said:Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
South Korea China and France all using it. So is New Orleans NYC etc. They had one of the best Drs in France interviewed by Dr Oz talking about how great it worked.
Still more studies/trials/tests need to be done but so far this seems to be the best thing out there and great news.
I think this is the second time we've ever agreed on something. Hmm. LOLOldbear83 said:
Anecdotal stories are heartening, but don't establish empirical evidence.
It's good news but we are not at the end yet, nor even the beginning of the end.