Chinese authorities announced Tuesday that they would end a two-month lockdown of hard-hit Hubei province at midnight.
There needs to be an asterisk on that for countries and times before/after the hospitals were overwhelmed.TexasScientist said:
Here is an interesting worldwide statistic of concern.
17,159 deaths/120,139 total resolved cases (recovered + deaths) = 14%
Yes.quash said:There needs to be an asterisk on that for countries and times before/after the hospitals were overwhelmed.TexasScientist said:
Here is an interesting worldwide statistic of concern.
17,159 deaths/120,139 total resolved cases (recovered + deaths) = 14%
Hey, it's progress.TexasScientist said:I think this is the second time we've ever agreed on something. Hmm. LOLOldbear83 said:
Anecdotal stories are heartening, but don't establish empirical evidence.
It's good news but we are not at the end yet, nor even the beginning of the end.
Oldbear83 said:
Anecdotal stories are heartening, but don't establish empirical evidence.
It's good news but we are not at the end yet, nor even the beginning of the end.
The problem right now is a few in the media. They are pushing conspiracy theories like Trump googled Hydroxychloroquine and threw it out there randomly as an option during his press conference. He has access to more information than anyone in the world and is being counseled by the best in the world. Many countries and many cities in the U.S. were already using it before he said anything about it. And he didn't say it was a cure or that it would end the crisis.TexasScientist said:The problem has been with the FDA and using this is contrary to bureaucratic policies. Hydroxychloroquine has been used successfully in China and South Korea for weeks. China has already run trials with it. For some reason, at least in the media, the FDA is unwilling to recognize China and South Korean results, focusing instead on France's limited anecdotal use.riflebear said:Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
South Korea China and France all using it. So is New Orleans NYC etc. They had one of the best Drs in France interviewed by Dr Oz talking about how great it worked.
Still more studies/trials/tests need to be done but so far this seems to be the best thing out there and great news.
In addition to Trump, one of the most notable Democrats in the country, Gov. Cuomo, is promoting its use in this country. So, Fla. Mike is wrong to say this is an R and D issue. Both are advocating its use. It appears more to be an FDA issue.
He's not - they are saying they are pushing through with the 15 day plan that is currently halfway done. That's what all the health experts told him to do and then they have to make a big decision after that which basically a week from now. Whatever decision he makes it's going to cause harm for a lot of people, so I don't envy this and unfortunately the media will jump all over it regardless of which decision he makes and take the opposite side.Sam Lowry said:
Backtracking before the curve flattens is the worst possible thing he could do now. I can't believe he's even hinting at it.
TexasScientist said:The problem has been with the FDA and using this is contrary to bureaucratic policies. Hydroxychloroquine has been used successfully in China and South Korea for weeks. China has already run trials with it. For some reason, at least in the media, the FDA is unwilling to recognize China and South Korean results, focusing instead on France's limited anecdotal use.riflebear said:Buddha Bear said:Wouldn't other countries adopt this and start publishing their findings? I don't see other countries promoting this, but maybe I've missed something. The democratic party is corrupt, but this is bigger than politics.Florda_mike said:
Google Dr Zeleko in NY
He was on Hannity tonite I heard. Said he'd cured 350 of 350 with Hydroxychloroquine
No hospitalizations and nothing on CNNor MSNBC
Left doesn't want cure, they just want Trump gone and that's their goal with coronavirus
Left are murderers to get the power they want
Evil, pure evil
South Korea China and France all using it. So is New Orleans NYC etc. They had one of the best Drs in France interviewed by Dr Oz talking about how great it worked.
Still more studies/trials/tests need to be done but so far this seems to be the best thing out there and great news.
In addition to Trump, one of the most notable Democrats in the country, Gov. Cuomo, is promoting its use in this country. So, Fla. Mike is wrong to say this is an R and D issue. Both are advocating its use. It appears more to be an FDA issue.
Mike Pence said today the average age of fatality in Italy is 80. And that the majority of them had 3-4 other health conditions.ATL Bear said:
Italy having another bad day of fatalities with 743 thus far. It is amazing how they have such a high mortality rate compared to everywhere else.
If there are 50,000 confirmed cases, there are probably 750,000 real cases. There have now been 642 deaths.EatMoreSalmon said:
Using Worldometer numbers for the U.S.
1175 serious/critical cases
+
588 deaths
=
1763
divided by
48,778 known cases
=
3.6% of known cases mortal or serious
If we take a conservative estimate of actual cases at 5x what is known = 243,890 cases
1763
divided by
243,890
=
0.7% of known cases mortal or serious
If we use the 10x estimate of the Harvard professor, that puts the percentage down to 0.36%.
I hope he is right.
And there is the problem with a lockdown. Places that need to be "locked" stay crowded, offices that have natural spacing with cubicles and offices, get closed.Jack Bauer said:
riflebear said:
The pace of new cases and deaths bears directly on the matter.Canada2017 said:
Almost meaningless if the number of infections and deaths continue to increase .
Canada2017 said:
Almost meaningless if the number of infections and deaths continue to increase .
nein51 said:Canada2017 said:
Almost meaningless if the number of infections and deaths continue to increase .
I mean, not if you're not sick and also care about your finances. Selfish as that sounds.
Canada2017 said:nein51 said:Canada2017 said:
Almost meaningless if the number of infections and deaths continue to increase .
I mean, not if you're not sick and also care about your finances. Selfish as that sounds.
Ending the quarantines by Easter,
Without a workable drug treatment or vaccine by December ......
utilizing the most OPTIMISTIC 1918 Spanish Influenza percentages...
Approximately 500,000 US dead of the C-19 virus by February 1st 2021.
Unbelievably tough choices coming up.
Is that a replay from February?Jack Bauer said:
Trump is on FoxNews townhall. Seems he is downplaying this now, comparing it to the flu.
Their hospitals were overwhelmed. That is what we are trying to avoid by isolating people.ATL Bear said:
Italy having another bad day of fatalities with 743 thus far. It is amazing how they have such a high mortality rate compared to everywhere else.
A few tips to share:nein51 said:riflebear said:
Seems inevitable to me really. If you have depression being "shut in" even if you're not really stuck is a serious problem. My wife struggles with depression. I can already see some signs I don't love.
She owns her own business and, to be honest, at some point I will probably suggest she go to work. She will be the only one there but it's out of the house and routine and she needs both of those things.
If you have friends with depression you might want to make a real effort to reach out to them regularly.