Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
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Rates are always higher early but then the laws of big numbers take over and rates tend to taper off. It's why even with significant declines in growth rate in NY/NJ they are still producing troublesome volumes. Meanwhile you have the available numeric base being lower in New Orleans so your ceiling is capped. That being said, I'm not underplaying the growth in New Orleans I'm saying Michigan is more worrisome from an overall perspective.Sam Lowry said:Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
I was hoping the growth rate would slow - seems to be holding around 13%. Mortality rate eclipsing 3% is concerning.ATL Bear said:Rates are always higher early but then the laws of big numbers take over and rates tend to taper off. It's why even with significant declines in growth rate in NY/NJ they are still producing troublesome volumes. Meanwhile you have the available numeric base being lower in New Orleans so your ceiling is capped. That being said, I'm not underplaying the growth in New Orleans I'm saying Michigan is more worrisome from an overall perspective.Sam Lowry said:Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
The law of large numbers is inapplicable. A smaller numeric base is the reason volume is irrelevant. A severe disease is no less severe when it runs through a smaller population at the same rate.ATL Bear said:Rates are always higher early but then the laws of big numbers take over and rates tend to taper off. It's why even with significant declines in growth rate in NY/NJ they are still producing troublesome volumes. Meanwhile you have the available numeric base being lower in New Orleans so your ceiling is capped. That being said, I'm not underplaying the growth in New Orleans I'm saying Michigan is more worrisome from an overall perspective.Sam Lowry said:Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
We'e managing exposure at a national level. The severity of the outbreak is dictated by volume, otherwise we wouldn't be taking stats. Seeing something spread rapidly through a large metropolitan area is much more concerning than the factors that cause a spread in a small group. It's easier to contain smaller outbreak areas than larger ones. I'm really not sure the point you're attempting to make.Sam Lowry said:The law of large numbers is inapplicable. A smaller numeric base is the reason volume is irrelevant. A severe disease is no less severe when it runs through a smaller population at the same rate.ATL Bear said:Rates are always higher early but then the laws of big numbers take over and rates tend to taper off. It's why even with significant declines in growth rate in NY/NJ they are still producing troublesome volumes. Meanwhile you have the available numeric base being lower in New Orleans so your ceiling is capped. That being said, I'm not underplaying the growth in New Orleans I'm saying Michigan is more worrisome from an overall perspective.Sam Lowry said:Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
Rapid spread is no less concerning in a smaller group. Containment is mostly moot at this point, and in any case the geographical area of the outbreak is unrelated to the population factors you're talking about.ATL Bear said:We'e managing exposure at a national level. The severity of the outbreak is dictated by volume, otherwise we wouldn't be taking stats. Seeing something spread rapidly through a large metropolitan area is much more concerning than the factors that cause a spread in a small group. It's easier to contain smaller outbreak areas than larger ones. I'm really not sure the point you're attempting to make.Sam Lowry said:The law of large numbers is inapplicable. A smaller numeric base is the reason volume is irrelevant. A severe disease is no less severe when it runs through a smaller population at the same rate.ATL Bear said:Rates are always higher early but then the laws of big numbers take over and rates tend to taper off. It's why even with significant declines in growth rate in NY/NJ they are still producing troublesome volumes. Meanwhile you have the available numeric base being lower in New Orleans so your ceiling is capped. That being said, I'm not underplaying the growth in New Orleans I'm saying Michigan is more worrisome from an overall perspective.Sam Lowry said:Volume is always low in the early stages. Rates determine what volume will be later.ATL Bear said:Volume is more important than rates in these early stages. Louisiana is growing the fastest and hopefully we'll see a tapering off as the numbers get larger. That's why I'm more concerned with Michigan as they're seeing volume and they have population too. Not like NY/NJ, but Detroit metro has as many people as the entire state of Louisiana.Sam Lowry said:Currently growing fastest in Louisiana, with Michigan about the same as New Jersey and all of them faster than New York.ATL Bear said:
Updated virus progression
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
Total cases (tested): 367,004
Total deaths: 10,871
Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
Your daily tracking update. NY/NJ continues to produce half the fatalities. Michigan and Louisiana showing relevant increases, but still nothing close to NY/NJ.
Good news but someone was WAY off.
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Sure. I'm a conservative. I give Trump credit for everything that makes us number 1.
I'd have preferred just kicking this mother****er in his shorts come November.
Lets hope we never surpass H1N1 in infections, which were 61 million. Catastrophe if that ever happened.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sure hope they are right that daily deaths top out at 2,400 or so.
Adjusted for population in France with 1/5th population they would be up to 7000 a day. Even the UK adjusted for population would be at 4000 a day.
That is really bad, and could still happen here, if we don't stay separated.
Adjusted for population in France with 1/5th population they would be up to 7000 a day. Even the UK adjusted for population would be at 4000 a day.
That is really bad, and could still happen here, if we don't stay separated.
Yea. When they quite working, this might work out ok.tommie said:Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Sure. I'm a conservative. I give Trump credit for everything that makes us number 1.
I'd have preferred just kicking this mother****er in his shorts come November.
Thankfully for me, I'd have dropped over quick with this kick.
Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
How is it uncalled for?
Next benchmark, the flu I guess?tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Forest Bueller_bf said:Yea. When they quite working, this might work out ok.tommie said:Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Sure. I'm a conservative. I give Trump credit for everything that makes us number 1.
I'd have preferred just kicking this mother****er in his shorts come November.
Thankfully for me, I'd have dropped over quick with this kick.
Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
Coronavirus update.....
Communist China propaganda still lying they ass off with only 32 new cases today.
Communist China propaganda still lying they ass off with only 32 new cases today.
Some people are threatened by factstommie said:Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
How is it uncalled for?
Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
H1N1 is brought up as a comparison every day on this site, with many complaining that H1N1 was "worse" but we didn't have to do this social shutdown. I don't follow Tommie's posts well but I imagine he's simply drawing those posters' attention to the fact that if that's the measure they insist on using, we're now there.
We'd agree it's sad we've gotten to this number. With the implementation of continued closures I'm optimistic we'll get things headed in the right direction soon.
Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
There is no comparison like you say here. Shoot I had H1N1 twice, both forms of it. When my temps reached 104.9 the second time, I went to the Doctor for the first time in about a decade.
Like I mentioned before, if there were over 60 million infections like with H1N1 it would be catastrophe. Coronavirus is supposed to be over twice as contagious, I imagine if we did nothing, like we did with H1N1, close to half the population would get it, and 1 to 2 million of us would die. If not more.
So let's not make those comparisons.
Yep.tommie said:Forest Bueller_bf said:Yea. When they quite working, this might work out ok.tommie said:Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
Sure. I'm a conservative. I give Trump credit for everything that makes us number 1.
I'd have preferred just kicking this mother****er in his shorts come November.
Thankfully for me, I'd have dropped over quick with this kick.
Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Right. When I said the exact same thing earlier, I was told i Am a fanatical leftist irrationally defending Obama. But know that the proof is out there we don't get to talk about it.Forest Bueller_bf said:Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
There is no comparison like you say here. Shoot I had H1N1 twice, both forms of it. When my temps reached 104.9 the second time, I went to the Doctor for the first time in about a decade.
Like I mentioned before, if there were over 60 million infections like with H1N1 it would be catastrophe. Coronavirus is supposed to be over twice as contagious, I imagine if we did nothing, like we did with H1N1, close to half the population would get it, and 1 to 2 million of us would die. If not more.
So let's not make those comparisons.
What good is a message board if you don't get to say "I told you so?"
On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I was careful not to say anything about you; I didn't bring up H1N1-I just answered the question of why it was a relevant post.Oldbear83 said:On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
And I specifically said that the comparison was stupid-each POTUS was presented with wildly different concerns. That is the opposite of scoring points.
Other than that, solid post.
I didn't say it was about me. I only mentioned my posts because when a liberal gets criticized, 98% of the time they attack the messenger.Booray said:I was careful not to say anything about you; I didn't bring up H1N1-I just answered the question of why it was a relevant post.Oldbear83 said:On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
And I specifically said that the comparison was stupid-each POTUS was presented with wildly different concerns. That is the opposite of scoring points.
Other than that, solid post.
And sorry pal, you were and are playing the hypocrite. When you referenced that the COVID had more cases than H1N1, you played H1N1 for points, just like the people you didn't like for doing the same thing.
Sorry you don't like it, but you are guilty of the same crappy game, which is exactly why I slapped you down with the comment I did.
Look, we have a di--head epidemic on this board, with idiots on both sides drowning out the adults. You can ignore the behavior, you can play the same stupid games, or you can call out the idiots.
You should know I have been challenging Florda on some of his crap, and tried to talk sense to the adults in the room. I'm not perfect but this topic deserves better than poo-flinging contests from the two sides. I can't make anyone act like an adult but I'm going to try to get the good folks to see when they start acting like the very people they complain about.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I took tommie's post to do exactly that: call out the hypocrites. Somehow you came up with double secret reverse hypocrisy. <shrug>Oldbear83 said:I didn't say it was about me. I only mentioned my posts because when a liberal gets criticized, 98% of the time they attack the messenger.Booray said:I was careful not to say anything about you; I didn't bring up H1N1-I just answered the question of why it was a relevant post.Oldbear83 said:On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
And I specifically said that the comparison was stupid-each POTUS was presented with wildly different concerns. That is the opposite of scoring points.
Other than that, solid post.
And sorry pal, you were and are playing the hypocrite. When you referenced that the COVID had more cases than H1N1, you played H1N1 for points, just like the people you didn't like for doing the same thing.
Sorry you don't like it, but you are guilty of the same crappy game, which is exactly why I slapped you down with the comment I did.
Look, we have a di--head epidemic on this board, with idiots on both sides drowning out the adults. You can ignore the behavior, you can play the same stupid games, or you can call out the idiots.
You should know I have been challenging Florda on some of his crap, and tried to talk sense to the adults in the room. I'm not perfect but this topic deserves better than poo-flinging contests from the two sides. I can't make anyone act like an adult but I'm going to try to get the good folks to see when they start acting like the very people they complain about.
And, just so it doesn't keep slipping away: your reply didn't mention hypocrisy, it mentioned "balloons and music".
He has every right to showcase how stupid it was to compare COVID and H1N1 in the first place.Oldbear83 said:I didn't say it was about me. I only mentioned my posts because when a liberal gets criticized, 98% of the time they attack the messenger.Booray said:I was careful not to say anything about you; I didn't bring up H1N1-I just answered the question of why it was a relevant post.Oldbear83 said:On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
And I specifically said that the comparison was stupid-each POTUS was presented with wildly different concerns. That is the opposite of scoring points.
Other than that, solid post.
And sorry pal, you were and are playing the hypocrite. When you referenced that the COVID had more cases than H1N1, you played H1N1 for points, just like the people you didn't like for doing the same thing.
Sorry you don't like it, but you are guilty of the same crappy game, which is exactly why I slapped you down with the comment I did.
Look, we have a di--head epidemic on this board, with idiots on both sides drowning out the adults. You can ignore the behavior, you can play the same stupid games, or you can call out the idiots.
You should know I have been challenging Florda on some of his crap, and tried to talk sense to the adults in the room. I'm not perfect but this topic deserves better than poo-flinging contests from the two sides. I can't make anyone act like an adult but I'm going to try to get the good folks to see when they start acting like the very people they complain about.
That was used as the benchmark by many here as proof that this virus was a nothingburger. The truth is that they are very different viruses and destined to be a stupid benchmark.
Heck here we are 3 weeks into a shutdown and we still have 1,800 people dying today.
Some people on this thread have terrible analytical abilities and should come eat crow. And probably never get jobs in forecasting.
Somebody has to buy when I want to sell...BearTruth13 said:Oldbear83 said:I didn't say it was about me. I only mentioned my posts because when a liberal gets criticized, 98% of the time they attack the messenger.Booray said:I was careful not to say anything about you; I didn't bring up H1N1-I just answered the question of why it was a relevant post.Oldbear83 said:On the one hand, you say you don't like posts where this person or that brought up Obama's handling of H1N1.Booray said:Are you actually saying that there were not abundant posts from Trumpkins referring to H1N1? Or are you saying that H1N1 and Covid 19 are comparable?Oldbear83 said:Total BS. You are playing the same game, but don't want to admit it.Booray said:Sure there is. Many posters used H1N1 as a measuring stick, calling Obama's performance terrible based ont hat death number. So did POTUS.Oldbear83 said:There's no valid reason to bring up H1N1, especially when that same person complained about comparisons to the flu earlier in this wave of discussions.quash said:Uncalled for. I have never seen tommie cheer for the virus.Oldbear83 said:I'm sure you have balloons and music ready to celebrate.tommie said:
We just surpassed H1N1 deaths.
I despise hypocrisy, especially since Tommie is usually better than that. So I called him on his crap.
Those comparisons are stupid and do a disservice to both men. The diseases were different. Because H1N1 has much, much lower fatality and hospitalization rates, Obama never faced the type of emergency that Trump did.
But if POTUS and his followers want to use that H1N1 as a measuring stick, that is their choice. tommie just did the measuring they invited.
More likely you are just covering your hears refusing to hear anything that tends to contradict your worldview.
But maybe you can clarify.
Then you are fast to reference H1N1 when you can score points in a debate off it.
You seriously claiming you don't see the hypocrisy in that?
And if you go back and look at older posts, not only did I not try to blame Obama re: H1N1, I said early on that Presidents depend on their experts to give them good information which they rely on in their own decisions.
So on this my hands are clean, and you need to walk your cheap shot back or admit you are just like those you want to complain about.
And I specifically said that the comparison was stupid-each POTUS was presented with wildly different concerns. That is the opposite of scoring points.
Other than that, solid post.
And sorry pal, you were and are playing the hypocrite. When you referenced that the COVID had more cases than H1N1, you played H1N1 for points, just like the people you didn't like for doing the same thing.
Sorry you don't like it, but you are guilty of the same crappy game, which is exactly why I slapped you down with the comment I did.
Look, we have a di--head epidemic on this board, with idiots on both sides drowning out the adults. You can ignore the behavior, you can play the same stupid games, or you can call out the idiots.
You should know I have been challenging Florda on some of his crap, and tried to talk sense to the adults in the room. I'm not perfect but this topic deserves better than poo-flinging contests from the two sides. I can't make anyone act like an adult but I'm going to try to get the good folks to see when they start acting like the very people they complain about.
Some people on this thread have terrible analytical abilities and should come eat crow. And probably never get jobs in forecasting.