Jesus loves you.

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...

Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.

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You make my point then criticize us both

Insane

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Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.

I'm telling you how that is probably not true.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...

Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.

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You make my point then criticize us both

Insane

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Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.

I'm telling you how that is probably not true.

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I DID NOT say "every" cause of death is called COVID but good try twisting my words there

Looks like you know it's happening at least to a significant extent

I do know someone that died of cancer in NJ and cause of death was complications due to coronavirus.

You know someone too?

**Just check the bold. NY had a significant adjustment to prior days.**

Updated virus progression

March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 26,945 new cases. 2,407 new deaths. Orig
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths. **UPDATED**
April 15: 30,206 new cases. 2,482 new deaths. Orig
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths. **UPDATED**
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 713,344
Total deaths: 37,264

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 203,123 cases. 10,834 deaths (778 today) original report
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today) **UPDATED**
April 15: 214,648 cases. 11,586 deaths (752 today) original report
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today) **UPDATED**
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)

How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures? New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

I do recall a Bear at the CDC - wont mention any more than that.

Hope he is doing well right abt now.

A really good dude.....

anyway.

- BUmma

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...

Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.

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You make my point then criticize us both

Insane

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Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.

I'm telling you how that is probably not true.

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I don't think every death will be related to Covid, but you have to admit with hospitals bleeding money right now and the fact that the gov't will reimburse hospitals for covid treatment of (at least) non-insured folks, it's not out of the realm of possibility that those hospitals will report false information on occasion for federal dollars

It is an interesting question for sure

It appears the Cuomo, not Biden, is the Democratic Party spokesperson. He is trotted out daily whereas Biden is rarely seen.

Today Cuomo indicated the high death rates are due to slow reporting from nursing homes where the majority of uncounted deaths have occurred.

Nevertheless, the updated stats you just quoted are staggering.

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Jesus loves you.

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This I know. Because Jim Bakker* told me so.

Yes he did. Really did. 'Tis true.

- PTL BHJ

* and Tammy Faye too!

BID.

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.

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Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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The lag from first being diagnosed to eventually succumbing is part of the answer.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.

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Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.

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Then his propaganda really didn't serve that aim.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.

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Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.

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Then his propaganda really didn't serve that aim.

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What propaganda would that be?

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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Maybe. Thanks to the foolish acts of the interim govt we'll never know.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.

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I didn't defend anyone. I did point out a problem overlooked by the poster I replied to. You didn't point it out. Why not?

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"

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The mortality and morbidity aren't as bad as we first expected so this close population scenario presents a different sort of Petri dish, likely the worst possible. And while the outcomes disturb me, I am oddly hopeful that this "worst possible situation" and the results shows a likelihood of massive infection in that region and this is what to expect in a worst case possible. But again, the required conditions for this type of situation are unique to specific areas. The nearby New Jersey, Detroit metro, and Chicago metro could present similar situations.

TexasScientist said:

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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The lag from first being diagnosed to eventually succumbing is part of the answer.

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Studies are showing an average of 13 days or less from pneumonia diagnosis to death for those who succumb to it. These deaths are coming from people likely diagnosed this very month.

Detroit is interesting in that it doesn't really have the same sort of living that NYC does. Really Chicago doesn't either but it's certainly closer. Detroit is much more like Dallas than NYC. It's the one that is hard to explain.

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Detroit is interesting in that it doesn't really have the same sort of living that NYC does. Really Chicago doesn't either but it's certainly closer. Detroit is much more like Dallas than NYC. It's the one that is hard to explain.

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Detroit does have large segments of group housing which is the NYC parallel. Their public transportation use is very different compared to NYC.

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Detroit is interesting in that it doesn't really have the same sort of living that NYC does. Really Chicago doesn't either but it's certainly closer. Detroit is much more like Dallas than NYC. It's the one that is hard to explain.

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Detroit does have large segments of group housing which is the NYC parallel. Their public transportation use is very different compared to NYC.

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I've been to Detroit like 40 times. The only real group housing is section 8. Would be interesting to know if that was the segment of the population that is sick.

I've said repeatedly if the price of oil continues to fall and remains so for two years Houston may look like Detroit.

TexasScientist said:

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"

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It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.

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Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.

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Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?

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The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?

Get real.

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Maybe. Thanks to the foolish acts of the interim govt we'll never know.

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Or we can apply common sense. Just saying.

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"

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It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.

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Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.

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It's pretty hard to stay six foot on an elevator in NYC or on public transportation.

Move.

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.

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It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.

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Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.

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Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"

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It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.

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Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.

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It's pretty hard to stay six foot on an elevator in NYC or on public transportation.

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Sure. But that does not apply outside NYC.