Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.Florda_mike said:quash said:I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...Florda_mike said:
Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?
Maybe that provides explanation?
Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.
You make my point then criticize us both
Insane
quash said:Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.Florda_mike said:quash said:I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...Florda_mike said:
Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?
Maybe that provides explanation?
Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.
You make my point then criticize us both
Insane
I'm telling you how that is probably not true.
quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
I don't think every death will be related to Covid, but you have to admit with hospitals bleeding money right now and the fact that the gov't will reimburse hospitals for covid treatment of (at least) non-insured folks, it's not out of the realm of possibility that those hospitals will report false information on occasion for federal dollarsquash said:Your point was that hospitals are calling every death Covid to get the federal money.Florda_mike said:quash said:I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...Florda_mike said:
Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?
Maybe that provides explanation?
Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.
You make my point then criticize us both
Insane
I'm telling you how that is probably not true.
It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
This I know. Because Jim Bakker* told me so.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Jesus loves you.
Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.Bearitto said:GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.
The lag from first being diagnosed to eventually succumbing is part of the answer.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.Sam Lowry said:Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
TexasScientist said:Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.Bearitto said:GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.
What propaganda would that be?Bearitto said:TexasScientist said:Maybe he is more interested in objective truth as opposed to propaganda.Bearitto said:GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.
Then his propaganda really didn't serve that aim.
GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
Bearitto said:GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
He's only interested in defending Democrats. You could also ask why in a criticism of the legislative branch he changed the subject to the executive. He's a Democrat. He wants to protect Democrats.
The mortality and morbidity aren't as bad as we first expected so this close population scenario presents a different sort of Petri dish, likely the worst possible. And while the outcomes disturb me, I am oddly hopeful that this "worst possible situation" and the results shows a likelihood of massive infection in that region and this is what to expect in a worst case possible. But again, the required conditions for this type of situation are unique to specific areas. The nearby New Jersey, Detroit metro, and Chicago metro could present similar situations.Sam Lowry said:Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
Studies are showing an average of 13 days or less from pneumonia diagnosis to death for those who succumb to it. These deaths are coming from people likely diagnosed this very month.TexasScientist said:The lag from first being diagnosed to eventually succumbing is part of the answer.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
Detroit does have large segments of group housing which is the NYC parallel. Their public transportation use is very different compared to NYC.nein51 said:
Detroit is interesting in that it doesn't really have the same sort of living that NYC does. Really Chicago doesn't either but it's certainly closer. Detroit is much more like Dallas than NYC. It's the one that is hard to explain.
ATL Bear said:Detroit does have large segments of group housing which is the NYC parallel. Their public transportation use is very different compared to NYC.nein51 said:
Detroit is interesting in that it doesn't really have the same sort of living that NYC does. Really Chicago doesn't either but it's certainly closer. Detroit is much more like Dallas than NYC. It's the one that is hard to explain.
Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.TexasScientist said:It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.Sam Lowry said:Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
quash said:GrowlTowel said:quash said:Now about that USAID pandemic specialist in China that the administration pulled out. Just a few months before this broke out. The liaison guy that could have been on the ground, verifying data. Hmmm?riflebear said:
The Chinese "Killary-ed" their physicians. Do you really think an liaison guy would have made a difference?
Get real.
Maybe. Thanks to the foolish acts of the interim govt we'll never know.
It's pretty hard to stay six foot on an elevator in NYC or on public transportation.Oldbear83 said:Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.TexasScientist said:It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.Sam Lowry said:Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.
Sure. But that does not apply outside NYC.TexasScientist said:It's pretty hard to stay six foot on an elevator in NYC or on public transportation.Oldbear83 said:Distancing, yes. Killing millions of jobs, no, there is no solid evidence it did anything but hurt good people.TexasScientist said:It's pretty obvious that shelter in place and distancing has mitigated what would have been.Sam Lowry said:Which would mean that non-pharmaceutical interventions have no effect. I'm sure you're familiar with the evidence from this and past pandemics that they do. What is the basis for your "perhaps?"ATL Bear said:Or perhaps this is worst case, and not only is it greatly below expectation, it didn't overwhelm hospitals other than a couple that were stressed.Sam Lowry said:It's almost as if the worst-case models had some validity.ATL Bear said:
How is shelter in place working when you just had over 4,500 deaths in one day and nearly 7,000 over the course of 3 days when you're over a month into these measures. New York City (not state) alone would now rank 2nd in the world in cases and 5th in deaths.