Booray said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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The citizens of Trumpworld are not allowed to speak of things that are not part of the narrative. If it's supposed to be sunny you keep the top down, no matter how wet you get.

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I see Booray has devolved into delusion again.

I guess by his definition, he lives in Bidenworld or Pelosiworld ...

Booray said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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The citizens of Trumpworld are not allowed to speak of things that are not part of the narrative. If it's supposed to be sunny you keep the top down, no matter how wet you get.

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This lawsuit/liberty thing has nothing to do w/ Trump IMO. And the Missouri lawsuit won't go anywhere.

What we knew at the time Liberty was dumb to reopen. Looking back w/ the facts we have now I'm not so sure. I'd be curious to see what that lawsuit is about though because if no one died what are they upset about? Or maybe it was a student w/ a preexisting condition that they felt they couldn't go back to school so they felt at a disadvantage. It wasn't mandatory and students could go online if I remember correctly.

The U.S. could become like Sweden but w/ money hungry lawyers and lawsuits that will never happen. The virus isn't going away so when you reopen there will be an increase of cases but hopefully now that hospitals are ready and there are drugs that can help it will work itself out. The problem is once the first person dies after states reopen I guarantee you the press will jump all over it and it will be the front page story everywhere. There is an agenda w/ the press and they will milk this all the way to November.

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This is CNN. So they are more worried about the color of a skin than what these people are doing to try and save lives? What a disgrace

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Well, yes, CNN is more worried about color. Do you know why?

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Sure - because they suck.

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That is not a well though rejoinder. What do CNN mean by color and why?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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The citizens of Trumpworld are not allowed to speak of things that are not part of the narrative. If it's supposed to be sunny you keep the top down, no matter how wet you get.

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I see Booray has devolved into delusion again.

I guess by his definition, he lives in Bidenworld or Pelosiworld ...

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You guess wrong. Criticism of those who blindly follow Trump is not an endorsement of those who blindly follow Biden or Pelosi. Setting up that false dichotomy, particularly absent any evidence, is an exceedingly weak rebuttal.

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But you do support the party that kicks out its members if one of them actually says something positive about Trump.

Not a member of the Michigan Democratic Party. Their censure action is ridiculous.

Anyone surprised?

Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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The citizens of Trumpworld are not allowed to speak of things that are not part of the narrative. If it's supposed to be sunny you keep the top down, no matter how wet you get.

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I see Booray has devolved into delusion again.

I guess by his definition, he lives in Bidenworld or Pelosiworld ...

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You guess wrong. Criticism of those who blindly follow Trump is not an endorsement of those who blindly follow Biden or Pelosi. Setting up that false dichotomy, particularly absent any evidence, is an exceedingly weak rebuttal.

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You make excuses for your own bias, but mock anyone for a different but honest perspective.

Ergo, you have become mini-Biden

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I've heard that they're gathering at Pelosi's mansion for an ice cream party

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-swiss-children-under-10-allowed-to-hug-grandparents-as-they-do-not-transmit-covid-19-11980568

Coronavirus: Swiss children under 10 allowed to hug grandparents as they 'do not transmit COVID-19'

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The country has revised its initial COVID-19 advice to stay apart after Daniel Koch, head of the Swiss infectious diseases unit, said scientists "now know young children don't transmit the virus".

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Sweden never closed elementary and middle schools.
Deaths in Sweden to age goup 0 to 20: zero
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/04/29/gaston-county-leaders-respond-ncs-stay-home-order-extension/

Gaston Co. leaders to reopen businesses, contradicting Gov. Cooper's Stay at Home order

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GASTON COUNTY, N.C. (WBTV) - Gaston County leaders announced a plan Wednesday to sign an order reopening businesses in the county, which would contradict Gov. Roy Cooper's Stay at Home order extension.
The Board of Commissioners meeting started at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Gaston County Courthouse.

"Gaston County leadership supports the reopening of Gaston County," Gaston County Commissioner Tracy Philbeck said of an order he plans to sign, which will be effective April 29 at 5 p.m. "Staying home is not a solution," Philbeck said. "People need to go back to work."

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greater straw men,
exaggerations.
more baloney
and hissin' 'roaches........

.... Son, it's ....

- BUmma

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

WHO lauds Sweden as a 'model' in coronavirus fight for resisting lockdown

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The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a "model" for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns after the nation controversially refused restrictions.

Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO's top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are "lessons to be learned" from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate.

Sweden's approach has been criticized by 2,300 academics who penned a letter last month calling for the government to reconsider its loose restrictions, Agence Frances-Press reported.

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

---

Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

---

Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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For some reason I LMAO when I'm called a snowflake

That's hilarious

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

---

What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

---

Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

---

Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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For some reason I LMAO when I'm called a snowflake

That's hilarious

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Ha! Don't they know we're not snowlfakes.... we're deplorables!

HashTag said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

---

What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

---

Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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For some reason I LMAO when I'm called a snowflake

That's hilarious

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Ha! Don't they know we're not snowlfakes.... we're deplorables!

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Yeah when they call you a name, an idiot or dumb, that's when you know you've won

Will the crowds show up anyway?

https://abc7news.com/newsom-closes-beaches-california-beach-covid-19-coronavirus/6139115/

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Newsom to order all California beaches closed after seeing SoCal crowds

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Concerned after seeing thousands of people on Orange County beaches this weekend, Gov. Gavin Newsom is ordering the closure of all beaches in California, as well as all state parks, our sister station KABC has learned.

The order will be effective May 1.


A memo by the California Police Chiefs Association obtained by Eyewitness News outlines the decision, saying it was triggered "After the well-publicized media coverage of overcrowded beaches this past weekend."

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The Volunteer State

https://www.districtattorney10.com/?fbclid=IwAR0cfmPAOK4WpJcH7LIWJZ87qtiVCup39HJcB-Sm80xNfzP9j9fEZI04Drc

The Tenth Judicial District is one of 31 judicial districts in Tennessee and has jurisdiction in Bradley, McMinn, Monroe, and Polk counties.

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DISTRICT ATTORNEY GENERAL CRUMP DECLINES TO PROSECUTE VIOLATIONS OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS RELATED TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC

The purpose of this release is to declare that the Office of the District Attorney General for the Tenth Judicial District will no longer enforce a criminal sanction or penalty against a citizen for a violation of one of the Executive Orders of Governor Bill Lee which were promulgated relative to the COVID-19 pandemic. While I have great respect for Governor Lee, I cannot in good conscience, and with fidelity to my oath, allow what I believe to be unconstitutional criminal proceedings to take place.

Executive Order 30, issued yesterday, April 28, 2020, continues the closure of "close contact personal services" and "entertainment, recreational, and certain other gathering venues." It also still forbids "social or recreational gatherings of ten (10) or more people." At the same time, under other orders, multiple businesses have been allowed to re-open, including restaurants dining rooms and gyms and fitness centers.

As it currently stands, Knox County is poised to open many businesses on Friday, May 1. Those same businesses will still be closed in the 10th Judicial District by the order of the governor. For example, a barber in Knox County can open on Friday, but the barbers in the counties and towns of this district will still be prohibited from working. The same would be true of many other "close contact personal services" and other businesses such as theaters and bowling alleys. Likewise, a restaurant can have half of their dining room filled, while a group of more than ten (10) friends cannot meet in a public park to eat together.

I do not believe that someone should be prosecuted in this district for trying to earn a living doing a job that is legal and "permitted" just a few miles up the road. Nor do I believe that the prosecution of twelve (12) friends eating dinner together in a home in two groups of six should be prosecuted, while if they did the same thing in a restaurant dining room, they would be free of criminal exposure.

The prosecution of a citizen by his government for a criminal act must engender the confidence of the defendant's fellow citizens. That prosecution must be rooted in the belief that the powers of the government are limited and confined by the constitution. The District Attorney General is uniquely situated to ensure that both occur. In fact, the District Attorney General is required to demand both from the criminal justice system.

"He is to judge between the people and the government; he is to be the safeguard of the one and the advocate of the rights for the other; he ought not suffer the innocent to be oppressed or vexatiously harassed, any more than those who deserve prosecution to escape; he is to pursue guilt; he is to protect innocence; he is to judge the circumstances according to their true complexion, to combine the public welfare and the safety of the citizens, preserving both and not impairing either"

Catherine Foute v. State of Tenn. (1816)

If I am to hold fast to the oath I took, I cannot prosecute an individual under these executive orders. Indeed, the Tennessee Constitution demands that I not and oppose the prosecutions. "That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind." Tenn. Const. Art. I, 2. While I do not believe that Governor Lee intended to act in an arbitrary fashion, I do believe that the enforcement of the current orders would result in that very outcome. There is not a constitutionally sound cohesion between the acts allowed and the acts prohibited. That cannot be the foundation upon which a meaningful prosecution is built, and the institution of such a prosecution would undermine public confidence, rather than cultivate it. I cannot allow that to occur.

I also do not believe that our citizens will stand for such an outcome. Many of our citizens are about to simply go back to work to save their livelihoods, their homes and their economic existence. They are about to ignore the executive orders. Therefore, I will not criminally enforce the executive orders on that basis. There cannot be two standards of criminal justice in this state. It is not constitutional, nor is it just. An act that is legal in Knox County cannot be a criminal act in Bradley, Polk, McMinn or Monroe County. Due process, equal protection and fundamental fairness require that the citizens of this district not be penalized simply due to geography.

Every citizen should act responsibly and do everything in their power to prevent the spread of this virus. We must all use extreme care to protect the vulnerable. We must use common sense and do our best to act as one community. Business owners who open in spite of the executive orders may encounter licensing issues or other serious consequences that arise from their actions, but they should not face criminal charges. Therefore, I will exercise the discretion I am granted under the Tennessee and United States Constitution and in this district, they will not.

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Virginia:

Original reasons for shut down met.

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He also indicated that the state is no longer concerned about potential Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) shortages and hospital bed capacity.

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Goalposts moved.

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"I want to assure Virginians that if we begin to see cases and hospitalizations rates rise again, we are all prepared to take swift and necessary action," he proclaimed during a press conference, adding that the state's testing capabilities have improved significantly.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/29/va-cracks-on-coronavirus-shutdown-governor-admits-state-met-metrics-for-phase-one-reopening/

Florda_mike said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

---

Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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For some reason I LMAO when I'm called a snowflake

That's hilarious

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Ha! Don't they know we're not snowlfakes.... we're deplorables!

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Yeah when they call you a name, an idiot or dumb, that's when you know you've won

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Bookmarking to save wear and tear on my Iron-O-Meter.

As to lawsuits, saw one lawyer suggest that if you have a documented pre-condition that makes you a higher risk, that you should request an accommodation under the ADA. Might see legal battles fought there.

Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths
April 25: 31,750 new cases. 1,797 new deaths.
April 26: 27,155 new cases. 1,333 new deaths.
April 27: 23,917 new cases. 1,308 new deaths.
April 28: 25,324 new cases. 2,368 new deaths.
April 29: 29,012 new cases. 2,426 new deaths.

Total cases (tested): 1,065,998
Total deaths: 61,601

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.
April 25: 24,157 cases. 638 deaths.
April 26: 24,968 cases. 651 deaths.
April 27: 25,321 cases. 667 deaths.
April 28: 26,357 cases. 719 deaths.
April 29: 27,390 cases. 759 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)
April 25: 287,490 cases. 21,802 deaths (372 today)
April 26: 293,696 cases. 22,365 deaths (563 today)
April 27: 298,442 cases. 22,668 deaths (303 today)
April 28: 301,489 cases. 23,134 deaths (466 today)
April 29: 306,478 cases. 23,477 deaths (343 today)

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.
April 25: 23,222 cases. 907 deaths.
April 26: 23,475 cases. 916 deaths.
April 27: 24,209 cases. 991 deaths.
April 28: 24,942 cases. 1,037 deaths.
April 29: 25,955 cases. 1,103 deaths.

Added April 28th and 29th numbers. Spike in fatalities due to numbers coming in from NJ, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Massachusetts. Of note, we have tested nearly 6.5 million people with just over a million positives. That's an 83% negative clip we're running at.

Fallout: Negative energy and/or electric prices in Europe.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-negative-prices-tell-us-about-the-future-11587816180.
The same combinationregulation, production that is costly to cut and demand that isn't very sensitive to priceshas given France more days with negative electricity prices since its lockdown started in March than it had in the 20 years before that. On Tuesday, Belgian electricity producers had to pay 90 ($97) at lunchtime to get rid of an excess megawatt for an hour, and in Germany the price went to minus 84with far more days with negative prices than usual.

South Carolina

https://abcnews4.com/news/local/sc-lawmakers-propose-overruling-mcmaster-to-end-state-of-emergency-reopen-businesses?fbclid=IwAR309uiX8qMZ_bs1N2SWxVF7pdeR09qvx4o3zm_9UAr4SrOFp8LevpeOloU

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SC lawmakers want to overrule McMaster, end state of emergency & reopen businesses

COLUMBIA, SC (WCIV) Some South Carolina lawmakers want legislators called back to the Statehouse in hopes of reigning in Gov. Henry McMaster's emergency powers amid the COVID-19 pandemic, with an ultimate goal of also allowing businesses across the state to reopen.

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Tennessee

After pushback the Republican Gov. will let hair salons open next week.

https://www.newschannel5.com/rebound/governor-hair-salons-barbers-to-reopen-next-wednesday-in-most-of-tennessee?fbclid=IwAR1d2Yk76GPaoe94PO6xt04PmThzEgee12_QymeliKrLxkGI9WLd1Yg36IM

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) Hair salons and barbershops in most of Tennessee will be allowed to open in one week under guidance to be issued by the state's COVID-19 Unified Command, lawmakers were told.

During a morning teleconference with members of the Tennessee General Assembly, Gov. Bill Lee said that had always been his plan even though his most recent executive order suggested that those establishments might be shuttered through the end of May.

Lee alluded to a public backlash in response to that order.

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.
April 25: 24,157 cases. 638 deaths.
April 26: 24,968 cases. 651 deaths.
April 27: 25,321 cases. 667 deaths.
April 28: 26,357 cases. 719 deaths.
April 29: 27,390 cases. 759 deaths.

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Given the Texas numbers where does Gov. Abbott get the idea we are on the downside?

ATL Bear said:

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Added April 28th and 29th numbers. Spike in fatalities due to numbers coming in from NJ, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Massachusetts. Of note, we have tested nearly 6.5 million people with just over a million positives. That's an 83% negative clip we're running at.

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Thanks for the updates.

Wondering the significance of the 83% negative test rate. No one that I know keeps track of the universe of the tested. If that universe includes a lot of asymptomatic health care workers (perhaps being tested multiple times each) what does it really tell us?

quash said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.
April 25: 24,157 cases. 638 deaths.
April 26: 24,968 cases. 651 deaths.
April 27: 25,321 cases. 667 deaths.
April 28: 26,357 cases. 719 deaths.
April 29: 27,390 cases. 759 deaths.

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Given the Texas numbers where does Gov. Abbott get the idea we are on the downside?

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My guess, and this is a guess and not direct knowledge, is that reporting in Texas like most places is lagging behind real time and there is data that shows forward trends that aren't public yet. I know that our Governor had the same thing when he acted.

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ATL Bear said:

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Added April 28th and 29th numbers. Spike in fatalities due to numbers coming in from NJ, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Massachusetts. Of note, we have tested nearly 6.5 million people with just over a million positives. That's an 83% negative clip we're running at.

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Thanks for the updates.

Wondering the significance of the 83% negative test rate. No one that I know keeps track of the universe of the tested. If that universe includes a lot of asymptomatic health care workers (perhaps being tested multiple times each) what does it really tell us?

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Duplicate testing is likely a factor, but a small one. Additionally, testing of healthcare workers would be relevant with a high negative rate because it further supports the macro consideration that this virus doesn't spread as virulent as we originally thought. For perspective, flu testing runs at about a 50% positive rate.

There are studies being conducted to see if the viral load (the amount you have in your body) has a correlation to whether someone will get more ill if infected by them, as well as the chance it will actually infect you at all. Think like a big dose of poison vs a small dose. May help explain, among other things, the devastation in nursing homes, as the elderly can't fight the virus and their loads can become very high rapidly, and ultimately why they have the most fatalities. What has made people think it spread so easily is that the viral load of asymptomatic infections are relatively high.

ATL Bear said:

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Booray said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Added April 28th and 29th numbers. Spike in fatalities due to numbers coming in from NJ, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Massachusetts. Of note, we have tested nearly 6.5 million people with just over a million positives. That's an 83% negative clip we're running at.

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Thanks for the updates.

Wondering the significance of the 83% negative test rate. No one that I know keeps track of the universe of the tested. If that universe includes a lot of asymptomatic health care workers (perhaps being tested multiple times each) what does it really tell us?

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Duplicate testing is likely a factor, but a small one. Additionally, testing of healthcare workers would be relevant with a high negative rate because it further supports the macro consideration that this virus doesn't spread as virulent as we originally thought. For perspective, flu testing runs at about a 50% positive rate.

There are studies being conducted to see if the viral load (the amount you have in your body) has a correlation to whether someone will get more ill if infected by them, as well as the chance it will actually infect you at all. Think like a big dose of poison vs a small dose. May help explain, among other things, the devastation in nursing homes, as the elderly can't fight the virus and their loads can become very high rapidly, and ultimately why they have the most fatalities. What has made people think it spread so easily is that the viral load of asymptomatic infections are relatively high.

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Thanks. Makes sense.

ATL Bear said:

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quash said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.
April 25: 24,157 cases. 638 deaths.
April 26: 24,968 cases. 651 deaths.
April 27: 25,321 cases. 667 deaths.
April 28: 26,357 cases. 719 deaths.
April 29: 27,390 cases. 759 deaths.

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Given the Texas numbers where does Gov. Abbott get the idea we are on the downside?

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My guess, and this is a guess and not direct knowledge, is that reporting in Texas like most places is lagging behind real time and there is data that shows forward trends that aren't public yet. I know that our Governor had the same thing when he acted.

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Fair enough.

Doubling. Remember when everyone was fixated on how fast cases and deaths were doubling every X number of days? This fueled the exponential arguments about how the disease would ravage out of control.

US: Just doubled cases from April 12th and deaths from April 14th (2 weeks+).

New York: Just doubled cases from April 8th and Deaths from the 13th (3 weeks and 2 weeks+ respectively).

Texas: Just doubled cases from April 11th and deaths from the 13th. (2 weeks+).

Georgia: Just doubled cases from April 11th and deaths from the 14th (2 weeks+).

This horizon will extend farther as we progress, and is simply the law of big numbers at work in a non exponential environment. As the spread factor (Rt) has been reduced to a sub 1.0 nationally, it's likely the virus will Peter out over the next few months, but will likely never become eradicated. And for those who think that means we'll be doubled from today in two weeks, that's not the way it works.