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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

July 4 Total 1,308 | COVID 568 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 5 Total 1,307 | COVID 589 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.3%
July 6 Total 1,362 | COVID 600 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 4.0%
July 7 Total 1,364 | COVID 615 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.7%
July 8 Total 1,394 | COVID 626 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.3%
July 9 Total 1,394 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.2%
July 10 Total 1,420 | COVID 651 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 3.0%
July 11 Total 1,368 | COVID 646 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.3%
July 12 Total 1,365 | COVID 682 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 2.0%
July 13 Total 1,352 | COVID 674 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.9%
July 14 Total 1.359 | COVID 676 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.5%
July 15 Total 1.400 | COVID 678 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.3%
July 16 Total 1.400 | COVID 689 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 17 Total 1.381 | COVID 700 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 1.0%
July 18 Total 1.345 | COVID 667 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.8%
July 19 Total 1.361 | COVID 664 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 20 Total 1.347 | COVID 686 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.0%
July 21 Total 1.386 | COVID 691 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.3%
July 22 Total 1.431 | COVID 716 | 7 Day Avg. Growth Rate for ICU 0.6% | ICU census up from recent lows

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

Houston Methodist "COVID-19 Cases by Day". Click scroll to 2nd chart.
https://www.houstonmethodist.org/-/media/pdf/for-patients/Coronavirus/covid-19-stats.ashx

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DEATHS TO CASES RATIO (For the 20 countries with the highest death totals)
15.28% - United Kingdom
15.18% - Belgium
14.30% - Italy
13.93% - France
11.70% - Netherlands
11.37% - Mexico
10.52% - Spain
7.82% - Canada
7.21% - Sweden
5.31% - Iran
4.45% - Germany
3.76% - Peru
3.72% - Brazil
3.59% - United States
3.38% - Columbia
2.59% - Chile
2.41% - India
2.12% - Pakistan
1.62% - Russia
1.50% - South Africa

DEATH TO CASE RATIO (BY STATE)
9.14% - Connecticut
8.84% - New Jersey
7.86% - New York (NYC: 10.47%)
7.63% - Michigan
7.41% - Massachusetts
6.78% - Pennsylvania
6.39% - New Hampshire
5.52% - Rhode Island
5.03% - Washington DC
4.88% - Indiana
4.53% - Illinois
4.25% - Colorado
4.22% - Maryland
4.11% - Ohio
4.10% - Vermont
3.80% - Delaware
3.69% - Louisiana
3.32% - New Mexico
3.29% - Minnesota
3.21% - Missouri
3.16% - Maine
2.99% - Mississippi
2.98% - Washington
2.76% - Kentucky
2.53% - Virginia
2.19% - Georgia
2.02% - Iowa
1.97% - Arizona
1.90% - Alabama
1.90% - California
1.88% - Nevada
1.87% - Hawaii
1.87% - West Virginia
1.79% - Wisconsin
1.77% - North Dakota
1.76% - Oregon
1.72% - Oklahoma
1.71% - South Carolina
1.62% - North Carolina
1.47% - South Dakota
1.44% - Montana
1.43% - Florida
1.40% - Puerto Rico
1.32% - Nebraska
1.28% - Kansas
1.24% - Texas
1.09% - Wyoming
1.08% - Arkansas
1.05% - Tennessee
0.89% - Alaska
0.83% - Idaho
0.73% - Utah

DEATH TO CASE RATIO (For the 20 Texas counties with the highest death totals)
3.06% - Comal
2.80% - Hidalgo
1.93% - Cameron
1.66% - Webb
1.59% - El Paso
1.55% - Williamson
1.44% - Lubbock
1.34% - Tarrant
1.25% - Dallas
1.22% - Brazos
1.22% - Fort Bend
1.19% - Nueces
1.19% - Travis
1.18% - Collin
1.06% - Jefferson
0.96% - Harris
0.95% - Montgomery
0.88% - Galveston
0.85% - Denton
0.82% - Bexar

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Thanks! +1

If the CDC is correct in their estimate that there are 10 cases for every confirmed case the decimal moves one digit to the left and Harris for example moves to 0.096% or 1/10th of one percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/25/coronavirus-cases-10-times-larger/

https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1286372233926057984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1286372233926057984%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDavidCornDC%2Fstatus%2F1286372233926057984%3Fs%3D20

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To remain as a true Republican, do you have to turn over your brain at the door? I've voted Rep in 95% of the elections in which I have voted (at least since the Dems in Texas became Reps) decades ago.. This is just another example of how I have to shake my head hearing another brain-dead comment from a Rep office holder. Does the bozo not realize the real danger is to the teachers and the parents and grandparents the kids come home to or is he just too afraid of the head bozo?

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I think he is right. Grandparents need to get out of the way. It is easier to Get the elderly out of the way than the 80% of us. Teachers without underlying conditions will be ok. Teachers with underlying conditions have a decision to make. We shouldn't destroy the economy for teachers with underlying conditions (<1% of the population)

Parents without underlying conditions will be OK. Kids will be ok. Most teachers will be ok. The children who are at risk are not the children from rich parents.

We appear to be in the early stages of bending the curve such that hospitals will be ok (we'll see).

We are in the midst of a huge cost-benefit experiment. The cost is the tradeoff between destroying the economy vs saving it. The cost is unnecessary deaths vs having jobs for folks so their lives won't be destroyed.

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The lesson that should have been learned from this current spike -- a direct result of irresponsible reopening -- is that this economy vs. public health response choice isn't one we get to make. The virus -- and our response to it -- determines our course of action, and any shortcuts taken to spur on the economy will backfire in time if not done in way that keeps community transmission of this virus under control.

I said in May that I was fine with opening things up but fully expected the idiots who made masks a political debate to spoil it for all of us. They did. Maybe it's time to listen to some different voices than those who thought they could outsmart science and a once-in-a-century global pandemic by doing the opposite of what the experts recommended.

Re read what Jacques Strap posted! The hysteria over the flu is like a soap opera.

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To remain as a true Republican, do you have to turn over your brain at the door? I've voted Rep in 95% of the elections in which I have voted (at least since the Dems in Texas became Reps) decades ago.. This is just another example of how I have to shake my head hearing another brain-dead comment from a Rep office holder. Does the bozo not realize the real danger is to the teachers and the parents and grandparents the kids come home to or is he just too afraid of the head bozo?

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I think he is right. Grandparents need to get out of the way. It is easier to Get the elderly out of the way than the 80% of us. Teachers without underlying conditions will be ok. Teachers with underlying conditions have a decision to make. We shouldn't destroy the economy for teachers with underlying conditions (<1% of the population)

Parents without underlying conditions will be OK. Kids will be ok. Most teachers will be ok. The children who are at risk are not the children from rich parents.

We appear to be in the early stages of bending the curve such that hospitals will be ok (we'll see).

We are in the midst of a huge cost-benefit experiment. The cost is the tradeoff between destroying the economy vs saving it. The cost is unnecessary deaths vs having jobs for folks so their lives won't be destroyed.

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The lesson that should have been learned from this current spike -- a direct result of irresponsible reopening -- is that this economy vs. public health response choice isn't one we get to make. The virus -- and our response to it -- determines our course of action, and any shortcuts taken to spur on the economy will backfire in time if not done in way that keeps community transmission of this virus under control.

I said in May that I was fine with opening things up but fully expected the idiots who made masks a political debate to spoil it for all of us. They did. Maybe it's time to listen to some different voices than those who thought they could outsmart science and a once-in-a-century global pandemic by doing the opposite of what the experts recommended.

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Tx didn't have a full blown outbreak until 1 month after the Floyd protests

Look it up

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Re read what Jacques Strap posted! The hysteria over the flu is like a soap opera.

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This isn't the flu, and if you're still making this argument five months and almost 150,000 deaths into this outbreak, you're not worth conversing with further on the topic.

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Missouri

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To remain as a true Republican, do you have to turn over your brain at the door? I've voted Rep in 95% of the elections in which I have voted (at least since the Dems in Texas became Reps) decades ago.. This is just another example of how I have to shake my head hearing another brain-dead comment from a Rep office holder. Does the bozo not realize the real danger is to the teachers and the parents and grandparents the kids come home to or is he just too afraid of the head bozo?

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I think he is right. Grandparents need to get out of the way. It is easier to Get the elderly out of the way than the 80% of us. Teachers without underlying conditions will be ok. Teachers with underlying conditions have a decision to make. We shouldn't destroy the economy for teachers with underlying conditions (<1% of the population)

Parents without underlying conditions will be OK. Kids will be ok. Most teachers will be ok. The children who are at risk are not the children from rich parents.

We appear to be in the early stages of bending the curve such that hospitals will be ok (we'll see).

We are in the midst of a huge cost-benefit experiment. The cost is the tradeoff between destroying the economy vs saving it. The cost is unnecessary deaths vs having jobs for folks so their lives won't be destroyed.

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The lesson that should have been learned from this current spike -- a direct result of irresponsible reopening -- is that this economy vs. public health response choice isn't one we get to make. The virus -- and our response to it -- determines our course of action, and any shortcuts taken to spur on the economy will backfire in time if not done in way that keeps community transmission of this virus under control.

I said in May that I was fine with opening things up but fully expected the idiots who made masks a political debate to spoil it for all of us. They did. Maybe it's time to listen to some different voices than those who thought they could outsmart science and a once-in-a-century global pandemic by doing the opposite of what the experts recommended.

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Tx didn't have a full blown outbreak until 1 month after the Floyd protests

Look it up

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The protests contributed certainly, but they weren't the only or likely even the primary reason for the outbreaks the southern half of this country has seen in the past month. If they were, the protests in the north, which were every bit as prevalent and more widely attended in many cases would have had a similar effect.

That's not to say mass gatherings of any kind are a good idea right now. But the science has consistently said that indoor gatherings in air conditioned buildings are far more dangerous than outdoor ones. To think that Texas' spike in particular was more closely tied to protests than reopening guidelines that allowed many businesses to operate as though all was normal and a citizenry that was fighting masks out of principle is wrong-headed IMO.

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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Of course you do.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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Of course you do.

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You prefer letting unelected people run things?

Worrisome.

Sam Lowry said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overruning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lockdowns.

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To be fair, that isn't exactly what the models said or what actually happened. Most other countries did institute lockdowns in some form or another. And a resurgence was always predicted; the only question was how best to mitigate it.

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South Korea, look no further.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

German sniffer dogs show promise at detecting coronavirus

https://www.dw.com/en/german-sniffer-dogs-show-promise-at-detecting-coronavirus/a-54300863

Researchers in Germany have found that army sniffer dogs can discern between samples from coronavirus-infected and healthy patients. So high is the level of accuracy, they hope this can be used in real-life scenarios.

The animals were able to positively detect SARS-CoV-2 infected secretions with an 83% success rate, and control secretions at a rate of 96%. The overall detection rate, combining both, was 94%.

In its conclusion based on more than 1,000 sniffed samples, published in theBMC Infectious Diseasesjournal, the team said dogs could play a role in detecting infected individuals.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It | Opinion

HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

ON 7/23/20 AT 7:00 AM EDT

As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.

I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.

Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk. I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It | Opinion

HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

ON 7/23/20 AT 7:00 AM EDT

As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.

I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.

Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk. I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.

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2 words ^^^

BIG PHARMA!

They'll kill for money

With a powerful assist from democrat party

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

---

Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

---

Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

---

You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

---

You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

---

Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

---

Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

---

Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

---

Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

---

You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

---

You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

---

Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

---

Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

---

Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

---

Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

---

You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

---

Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

---

Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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calling your advice "expert" is really pushing it.

The only thing you've proved yourself to be an expert at is being the pivot man when your liberal buddies decide it's time for a circle jerk.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

---

Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

---

Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

---

IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

---

Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

---

Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

---

Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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But TS is republican

Don't you know?

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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calling your advice "expert" is really pushing it.

The only thing you've proved yourself to be an expert at is being the pivot man when your liberal buddies decide it's time for a circle jerk.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cinque said:

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SARS-COV-2 may be a foreign born virus but US's response to it belongs to the people who controlled the hospitals, labs and cities/states who ordered lockdowns and destroyed millions of jobs

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Fixed to address your malicious TDS

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Trump's failure to lead and develop an effective national response is what lead to the lock downs to avoid overrunning hospital capacity and staffing ability to address the crisis. If he had taken the steps of other successful countries, we could have avoided the lock-downs.

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Cool story. Of course, that charge is far more accurate when applied to New York's Governor, but of course you don't see that.

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Actually, even-though Cuomo made mistakes, he had a response and it was pretty successful. Trump's response was to ignore and downplay, hoping it would go away and he could salvage the economy by opening back up, and pushing governors to follow his lead. Now look where we are.

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You do not state facts.

Trump and Cuomo, I would suggest, did as well as the information they were given and the situation they confronted, save that Cuomo knew sending COVID patients to nursing homes instead of hospitals would kill patients. Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

Trying to blame Trump will blow back on you, but you don't understand that. Or care.

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Trump's actions, say what you will, were meant to save lives and protect the nation as a whole.

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You mean inaction. He took no meaningful action other than suspending travel. He didn't follow the experts recommendations of social distancing, masks, testing, tracing and isolation.

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IOW, you are mad because the President let Governors and Mayors do their job according to their authority, and did not act as the tyrant you like to pretend he is.

You are also angry because the President won't demote himself to obeying the rules of unelected officials who either have no actual practical practice as doctors (like Fauci, who works strictly in labs and does see even a single real patient) or who have their own political goals which are not consistent with US priorities (like the WHO who parroted China's lies for over half a year).

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He shouldn't reduce himself to obeying the WHO, but that's essentially what he did. We should have had our own intelligence on the virus and not waited for someone else's lead.

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Ironically, I think Trump's mistake on the matter of the virus is that he listened to people who were the supposed experts, and did not push enough when these experts demanded unprecedented actions like shutting down our economy for months on end.

Trump is supposed to not listen to 'experts', this time that would have been the smart course.

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You would rather Trump make ill advised seat of his pants big brain decisions. But wait, isn't that what we got and why we're here now?

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Shh, the adults are talking.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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I've always qualified opinion from scientific fact. I can't help you understand the difference, that's on you.

Go away

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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calling your advice "expert" is really pushing it.

The only thing you've proved yourself to be an expert at is being the pivot man when your liberal buddies decide it's time for a circle jerk.

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Another example of your Christian witness, cool.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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I've always qualified opinion from scientific fact. I can't help you understand the difference, that's on you.

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No, you post things you believe are support, but only reflect your opinion. I can't help you learn real Science, I think it's too late for that.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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I've always qualified opinion from scientific fact. I can't help you understand the difference, that's on you.

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No, you post things you believe are support, but only reflect your opinion. I can't help you learn real Science, I think it's too late for that.

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Like I said above, I can't help you understand the difference - it requires the aptitude to comprehend.

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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I've always qualified opinion from scientific fact. I can't help you understand the difference, that's on you.

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No, you post things you believe are support, but only reflect your opinion. I can't help you learn real Science, I think it's too late for that.

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But Global Warming insures government science grants!!!

There's gotta science justifying Global Warming?

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You should listen. I'll take expert advice over political consideration any day.

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Great, so you have abandoned your policy for the last 11 years then ...

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Pay attention, I'll continue to provide you with expert advice, and maybe it will begin to soak in eventually for you.

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No thanks, I recognized the brand from your 'expert advice', and don't trust anything that made its way here through Bulgaria and Cuba.

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Is that your best comeback? The evidence of reality and science is the same around the world, which includes Texas, like it or not.

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Sorry TS, you have always shown a strong preference for opinion and bias over Science at every turn. Calling your opinion "Science" does not make it so.

Try some objectivity next time, it really helps make you look like the scientist more than the username ever will.

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I've always qualified opinion from scientific fact. I can't help you understand the difference, that's on you.

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No, you post things you believe are support, but only reflect your opinion. I can't help you learn real Science, I think it's too late for that.

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Like I said above, I can't help you understand the difference - it requires the aptitude to comprehend.

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^^^ Here we go with the "call em stupid" route

Same ole MO