loanbear said:
TexasScientist said:
loanbear said:
TexasScientist said:
ATL Bear said:
TexasScientist said:
ATL Bear said:
I think geography has to also be looked at for those nations "doing well". Mostly islands and/or isolated peninsulas (South Korea). Makes people containment and flow restriction easier, not to mention the liquid buffer zones for air current transfer.
Just the opposite. Masks (type and how it is worn is improtant) are an important part of prevention along with other measures. Taiwan has a population density much like that of NYC. It is much easier to spread the virus in those high density population areas. Taiwan had learned its lesson from the swine flu pandemic, which was disasterous for them. This time they had a plan in place, and they were prepared. They have implemented their plan and it has been highly successful, as opposed to the swine flu. They had people from mainland China entering their country, more than the US and had their first case on the same day as the US. The difference is they followed the science on how to address a pandemic and it has worked. Conversly, we through out our pandemic playbook that was started by the Bush administration, in favor of running a WH PR campaign to market ignorance and complacency.
I don't think you understand what Taiwan did. Unless you're arguing that completely shutting down and isolating your nation from all foreign entry of any sort is "science".
Taiwan Achieves Record 200 Days With No Local Coronavirus Cases
https://time.com/5905129/taiwan-coronavirus-record/
Taiwan will be among the few economies to grow this year, with the government in August forecasting that the gross domestic product will expand 1.56% in 2020.
Taiwan is an island that is 19 times smaller than Texas with a population size less than Texas, but I am sure you knew that. Comparing Taiwan, South Korea etc to a US response is simply an uneducated way to try and drive some type of correlation to your argument. All it ends up doing is making you look like you are pushing a narrative which you are. Exact same strategy of doom and dark winter the Dems are pushing to try and win an election out of fear.
The virus is real, no doubt but some of the decisions and severe change to lifestyles due to a virus that has little to no risk to anyone under 70 without conditions is simply mind boggling.
Taiwan is similar in size to NYC, where the population density makes it even more difficult to control.The priniciples are the same, just at a different scale for different countries. China has it under control. Australia has it under control, as does New Zealand. It's not just who it kills, but the percentage of long haulers we're now starting to learn about. It can be controlled without wrecking economies, if people are willing to tolerate some temporary inconvenience.
Really. Island Country, island country, complete false data out of China where this beast started. But you go ahead and base your decisions on the Chinese and see where that gets you. Risk tolerance is based on numbers and the stats say that this has an extremely low death rate. You can't stake moral high ground on the fact that nobody should die. That is my biggest beef with your stance. Outlaw guns, smoking, cars, airplanes, knives, electricity, all those things kill people. Where does it stop? If it was not covid it would be something else. I hate that anyone has to die, but that is the way God designed the world we live in. Bottom line is God is in control and working through this. I make my decisions based on the intelligence he gave me and intelligent people are not going to change their lives over a .0005 percent death rate. It just makes zero sense. Furthermore, my job is to protect my Wife and kids first. I am not going to ask them to shut down their lives and deal with the incredible emotional issues associated with that based on a risk factor of .0005. How can you?
Because I realize that you don't have wreck lives to get control of this, but you can save lives. Our mortality rate is 2.5 times that of Canada. If we did what Canada has done, we'd only have 90,000 deaths. We're only talking about inconveniences for a short time that will save lives. If God was is in control, he's not doing a very good job. And, why would a 'loving' god design the world where people have to die? If you want to protect your wife and kids, then use your intelligence, to help them and others to mitigate this disease until we have viable theraputics and vaccines. Just because China is problematic, doesn't mean we cannot learn from them and other countries. Why follow a sociopath malignant narcissist over the edge?
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” ~ Upton Sinclair
