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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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You should reconsider commenting on the economy. You clearly haven't either thought about it or understand it.

Coming from the guy who says we need to let everyone with it die to help the economy as if treating the patients is what is hurting the economy.

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Coming from the guy who says we need to let everyone with it die to help the economy as if treating the patients is what is hurting the economy.

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Why do you insist on lying? Is it because the truth doesn't support your ridiculous point of view?

You were posting that Sunday morning. Has your position changed since then? I don't pay much attention to your posts.

To be fair to you though, you were also saying we need to not do anything to prevent the spread in order to help the economy as well. I forgot to mention that above.

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You were posting that Sunday morning. Has your position changed since then? I don't pay much attention to your posts.

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No, I wasn't. I never said let everyone die. I analyzed three approaches, over time. Worst case scenario if those who could succumb did. Worst case if we quarantine 100% of the population and then self quarantine for all susceptible with a system to support them remaining sequestered for months. Within the 100% quarantine scenario I repeatedly pointed out you can't stop nature from taking the lives of those with months or years to live and the 100% scenario isn't worth it. But I've never said let them all die.

But by all means, keep lying.

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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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The stock market is not the economy. And even if it was, it wasn't crashing. Most market fundamentals were strong before the flu.

The stock market started crashing around the first of March. It didnt just drop from 29000 to 20000 or less this week.

BTW y'all need to make up your minds is this just the regular annual flu and flu season or the biggest crisis of world history. Y'all are going back and forth between the extremes depending on the thread and which spin helps Trump the most.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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So you joined FOX in downplaying the threat. Kyle can you apologize?

"FOX the conservative network's hosts downplayed the threat and claimed Democrats were hyping it to make Trump look bad. Now, they've changed their tune."

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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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The stock market is not the economy. And even if it was, it wasn't crashing. Most market fundamentals were strong before the flu.

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You are right - the Stock Market is not the economy. Now tell him that to 45

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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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He never said that but you be you.

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We are in the 3rd week of it now. Do you really think it is almost over here?

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The virus was here in January and likely earlier because we knew nothing about it. I don't know what "over" looks like. If it's 0 new cases, that's not happening for a year or more.

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China already claims zero new cases. My opinion that as a communist regime that isn't the truth.

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You were posting that Sunday morning. Has your position changed since then? I don't pay much attention to your posts.

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No, I wasn't. I never said let everyone die. I analyzed three approaches, over time. Worst case scenario if those who could succumb did. Worst case if we quarantine 100% of the population and then self quarantine for all susceptible with a system to support them remaining sequestered for months. Within the 100% quarantine scenario I repeatedly pointed out you can't stop nature from taking the lives of those with months or years to live and the 100% scenario isn't worth it. But I've never said let them all die.

But by all means, keep lying.

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There are more and more reports (both in Europe and the U.S.) that the "immunity" from serious outcomes is now becoming less apparent with those in the 20s - 50s, and they don't have to have underlying conditions to end up in the ICU. I guess those folks only had a few years to live also? But let's keep congregating at bars and beaches and party on. If I'm under 30 or 40, why should I be concerned. If I pass on my non-symptoms to someone else who reacts negatively, regardless of age, it won't affect me.

You really need to get off this podium. The foundation is cracking.

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You keep talking about the progresson of other countries particularly China as if it was just a 3 or so week cycle. China's peak just ended last week 3 months after the outbreak and a month after hitting peak, accordiing to China who I suspect is putting the rosiest picture on their situation. Even if our case is like how they are painting theirs, we wont be coming out the peak until June. Then there is Italy.......

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1.3% mortality rate in the U.S.

Are we going to do this every time this happens moving forward or is this just an anti-Trump tour de force?

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So, is Trump's future your real concern? Even he is starting to sound like it is not.

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Not at all. I care about the tens of millions of people whose lives are going to be destroyed.

I just cannot wrap my head around us freaking out about a disease with a 1.3% mortality rate. I honestly could care less how many people get it if it is not seriously affecting them. We deal with this every year, and we've dealt with similar coronovirus or influenza scares. The missing link in my mind is why did we choose this one to destroy the economy?

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Kyle 60,800,000 got the swine flu. At a 1.3% mortality rate and considering Covid-19 is more contageous, but say just 61 million came down with it, it would kill about 800,000 people.

That is much more than what we deal with every year.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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So you joined FOX in downplaying the threat. Kyle can you apologize?

"FOX the conservative network's hosts downplayed the threat and claimed Democrats were hyping it to make Trump look bad. Now, they've changed their tune."

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Apologize for what, sharing facts not hysteria? If I posted something false, I will apologize and retract. Would you?

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You keep talking about the progresson of other countries particularly China as if it was just a 3 or so week cycle. China's peak just ended last week 3 months after the outbreak and a month after hitting peak, accordiing to China who I suspect is putting the rosiest picture on their situation. Even if our case is like how they are painting theirs, we wont be coming out the peak until June. Then there is Italy.......

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1.3% mortality rate in the U.S.

Are we going to do this every time this happens moving forward or is this just an anti-Trump tour de force?

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So, is Trump's future your real concern? Even he is starting to sound like it is not.

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Not at all. I care about the tens of millions of people whose lives are going to be destroyed.

I just cannot wrap my head around us freaking out about a disease with a 1.3% mortality rate. I honestly could care less how many people get it if it is not seriously affecting them. We deal with this every year, and we've dealt with similar coronovirus or influenza scares. The missing link in my mind is why did we choose this one to destroy the economy?

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Kyle 60,800,000 got the swine flu. At a 1.3% mortality rate and considering Covid-19 is more contageous, but say just 61 million came down with it, it would kill about 800,000 people.

That is much more than what we deal with every year.

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Understand, but the mortality rate will be much lower than 1.3%. I think no one disagrees there are more cases than have been formally reported due to testing, and like Italy, the Washington nursing home is artificially inflating the mortality rate. When all said and done, I suspect it may be < 0.5%. Funny how with 61M swine flu cases we did not panic - why do you think that was?

As I've asked others, we assume a set of risks in our country every day in order to foster this society. For example, 102 people / day die on roads, yet will still allow cars and trucks. What death rate would you accept to not destroy the economy? It is not like this will be the last virus to infect our nation. If we find one case of Kung Flu next January, do we start this all over again?

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The stock market started crashing around the first of March. It didnt just drop from 29000 to 20000 or less this week.

BTW y'all need to make up your minds is this just the regular annual flu and flu season or the biggest crisis of world history. Y'all are going back and forth between the extremes depending on the thread and which spin helps Trump the most.

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I don't give sht about Trump. I didn't vote for him 2016 and I won't in 2020 either. What I do care about is intellectual honesty, which you have very little (along with several people on the right including Florida Mike. So don't play a victim that I'm singling you out).

With that said, the stock market wasn't crashing before the virus. There were some up and down days, but it didn't crash. The long-term outlook was for the stock market to recover or at least remain relatively steady for the remainder of the year.

That changed when people started freaking out. The stock market is emotional. And just as some of you are emotional little btches, so is the stock market. So when everyone started freaking out, toilet paper started running out, NCAA tournaments were being cancelled and Tom Hanks went public that he had contracted the virus, the sht hit the fan.

With that said, the virus itself is still not that bad. It spreads easily and a lot of people will contract the virus, but it isn't as bad as the panic. The response to the virus far outweighs the severity of the threat from the virus. And because of that, we will have a shtty 2020 and this could easily send economic shock waves into 2021 and 2022.

Does that mean I don't care about loss of life? Of course not, I care about human life a lot. But we have never taken such extreme steps to save the lives of so few, especially in high-risk groups. The precedent this sets is terrifying beyond belief and my hope is that it's just because it is an election year and a lot of people hate Trump. Honestly, that's the best case scenario because if he loses in 2020, this likely won't be repeated. However, if this isn't just TDS and this is the new normal, I'm terrified to think how the world will react the next time we have a bad flu season that leads to the worldwide death of 50K-100K more than normal, because apparently that is new time to react like this and shut down the world economy. And the worldwide deaths will be significantly less from COVID-19.

On the plus side, if this is the new normal, this will provide annual, predictable fluctuations in the world economy that can be taken advantage of by savvy investors.

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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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The stock market is not the economy. And even if it was, it wasn't crashing. Most market fundamentals were strong before the flu.

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This is what you said Contrario. Your literal words. So is it just the flu being overhyped or not? The market began crashing around the first of March.

ParytBear: "The market began crashing around the first of March."

And effects from the virus, and reaction to the virus, started appearing in January.

I don't think your implied point stands well.

Most financial experts have said the stock market fall is due to two forces: Fears over the virus' impact on global trade, and the Russian/Mideast efforts to damage Fracking through broad price drops in oil.

The market has dropped following a Trump speech, but it has also made big gains following a Trump speech. There is no evidence of causation either way in the present market behavior.

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The economy was already collapsing. The stock market began its big crash at the beginning of March when Trump and y'all said it was a hoax.

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The stock market is not the economy. And even if it was, it wasn't crashing. Most market fundamentals were strong before the flu.

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This is what you said Contrario. Your literal words. So is it just the flu being overhyped or not? The market began crashing around the first of March.

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You said the economy was already crashing before the virus. Or at least that's what I thought you were saying.

Of course the stock market is currently crashing. Panic everywhere. We

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You keep talking about the progresson of other countries particularly China as if it was just a 3 or so week cycle. China's peak just ended last week 3 months after the outbreak and a month after hitting peak, accordiing to China who I suspect is putting the rosiest picture on their situation. Even if our case is like how they are painting theirs, we wont be coming out the peak until June. Then there is Italy.......

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1.3% mortality rate in the U.S.

Are we going to do this every time this happens moving forward or is this just an anti-Trump tour de force?

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So, is Trump's future your real concern? Even he is starting to sound like it is not.

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Not at all. I care about the tens of millions of people whose lives are going to be destroyed.

I just cannot wrap my head around us freaking out about a disease with a 1.3% mortality rate. I honestly could care less how many people get it if it is not seriously affecting them. We deal with this every year, and we've dealt with similar coronovirus or influenza scares. The missing link in my mind is why did we choose this one to destroy the economy?

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Kyle 60,800,000 got the swine flu. At a 1.3% mortality rate and considering Covid-19 is more contageous, but say just 61 million came down with it, it would kill about 800,000 people.

That is much more than what we deal with every year.

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Understand, but the mortality rate will be much lower than 1.3%. I think no one disagrees there are more cases than have been formally reported due to testing, and like Italy, the Washington nursing home is artificially inflating the mortality rate. When all said and done, I suspect it may be < 0.5%. Funny how with 61M swine flu cases we did not panic - why do you think that was?

As I've asked others, we assume a set of risks in our country every day in order to foster this society. For example, 102 people / day die on roads, yet will still allow cars and trucks. What death rate would you accept to not destroy the economy? It is not like this will be the last virus to infect our nation. If we find one case of Kung Flu next January, do we start this all over again?

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Likely we will find a case by October, hopefully it will not have mutated and even more hopefully there will be a more advanced treatment. But, a second wave shutdown is certainly possibility.

I agree the mortality rate is likely much less than 1%

The current number of deaths is the absolute wrong thing to look at . You should be looking at potential deaths.

Here is the analogy of the situation as it currently stands.

You have two rooms with a door in between them. In one room you have a crazed, suicidal man hell bent on destroying the world. In the other room you have a ton of armed and ready nuclear bombs ready to go, and a red detonation button.

The door between them is locked. These are the quarantines social distancing ext.

We don't know how to disarm the bombs yet, but we can keep the doors locked between the detonator and the man who will push it in the other room. Unlock the door and everything goes to hell. Keep the doors locked and it basically appears like nothing is wrong.

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

This chart of the 1918 Spanish flu shows why social distancing works

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In 1918, the city of Philadelphia threw a parade that killed thousands of people. Ignoring warnings of influenza among soldiers preparing for World War I, the march to support the war effort drew 200,000 people who crammed together to watch the procession. Three days later, every bed in Philadelphia's 31 hospitals was filled with sick and dying patients, infected by the Spanish flu.

By the end of the week, more than 4,500 were dead in an outbreak that would claim as many as 100 million people worldwide. By the time Philadelphia's politicians closed down the city, it was too late
A different story played out in St. Louis, just 900 miles away. Within two days of detecting its first cases among civilians, the city closed schools, playgrounds, libraries, courtrooms, and even churches. Work shifts were staggered and streetcar ridership was strictly limited. Public gatherings of more than 20 people were banned.

The extreme measuresnow known as social distancing, which is being called for by global health agencies to mitigate the spread of the novel coronaviruskept per capita flu-related deaths in St. Louis to less than half of those in Philadelphia, according to a 2007 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

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Does that mean I don't care about loss of life? Of course not, I care about human life a lot. But we have never taken such extreme steps to save the lives of so few, especially in high-risk groups. The precedent this sets is terrifying beyond belief and my hope is that it's just because it is an election year and a lot of people hate Trump.

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So Italy, etc. are doing what they are doing because of Trump? Clueless.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. If we as a country cannot come together without playing the political game, and many are still doing that, we probably get what we deserve.

I wasn't around then, but I suspect that there were plenty of political enemies of FDR, but when Pearl Harbor occurred the country came together like never before to defeat a common enemy.

Defeat or greatly control the virus, then you can get back to your political ****.

We can't see this enemy. At this point we don't know how to beat it other than to try to stay away from it. Unlike the flu, our population has not been vaccinated against it. As for numbers of whatever, we are in perhaps the second inning and we are projecting the number of runs scored in the entire game to where things stand in the second inning. And we have millions of people out there acting as if nothing is happening while just spreading it around to any and all. And, we are finding out now that thinking it only seriously affects those who are elderly or have underlying conditions is a fallacy.

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FDA and CDC both refused to use the tests from South Korea and Germany last month preferring to develop their own.

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Recently there has been a shortage of BCG for treating bladder cancer in the US. There exists a Tokyo strain of BCG, but FDA will not approve it's use in this country.

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Does that mean I don't care about loss of life? Of course not, I care about human life a lot. But we have never taken such extreme steps to save the lives of so few, especially in high-risk groups. The precedent this sets is terrifying beyond belief and my hope is that it's just because it is an election year and a lot of people hate Trump.

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So Italy, etc. are doing what they are doing because of Trump? Clueless.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. If we as a country cannot come together without playing the political game, and many are still doing that, we probably get what we deserve.

I wasn't around then, but I suspect that there were plenty of political enemies of FDR, but when Pearl Harbor occurred the country came together like never before to defeat a common enemy.

Defeat or greatly control the virus, then you can get back to your political ****.

We can't see this enemy. At this point we don't know how to beat it other than to try to stay away from it. Unlike the flu, our population has not been vaccinated against it. As for numbers of whatever, we are in perhaps the second inning and we are projecting the number of runs scored in the entire game to where things stand in the second inning. And we have millions of people out there acting as if nothing is happening while just spreading it around to any and all. And, we are finding out now that thinking it only seriously affects those who are elderly or have underlying conditions is a fallacy.

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Get back to me when politicians on the left stop politicizing it and spend time worrying about what we call it.

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Does that mean I don't care about loss of life? Of course not, I care about human life a lot. But we have never taken such extreme steps to save the lives of so few, especially in high-risk groups. The precedent this sets is terrifying beyond belief and my hope is that it's just because it is an election year and a lot of people hate Trump.

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So Italy, etc. are doing what they are doing because of Trump? Clueless.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. If we as a country cannot come together without playing the political game, and many are still doing that, we probably get what we deserve.

I wasn't around then, but I suspect that there were plenty of political enemies of FDR, but when Pearl Harbor occurred the country came together like never before to defeat a common enemy.

Defeat or greatly control the virus, then you can get back to your political ****.

We can't see this enemy. At this point we don't know how to beat it other than to try to stay away from it. Unlike the flu, our population has not been vaccinated against it. As for numbers of whatever, we are in perhaps the second inning and we are projecting the number of runs scored in the entire game to where things stand in the second inning. And we have millions of people out there acting as if nothing is happening while just spreading it around to any and all. And, we are finding out now that thinking it only seriously affects those who are elderly or have underlying conditions is a fallacy.

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Get back to me when politicians on the left stop politicizing it and spend time worrying about what we call it.

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You should understand by now that divisiveness and distraction are cornerstone strategies of this administration. The few Dems that waste breath on this word usage are dumb for taking the bait (even if it appears there are more Trumpers talking about it than Dems around here...), but Trump is using it on purpose to generate exactly this kind of discussion. Trump would love to talk about any subject that's not his own incompetence, and above all else he loves for his opponents and supporters to argue over race/immigration issues. If he can get people squabbling over what he calls the virus, that's less breath being spent criticizing his lackluster response.

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You were posting that Sunday morning. Has your position changed since then? I don't pay much attention to your posts.

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No, I wasn't. I never said let everyone die. I analyzed three approaches, over time. Worst case scenario if those who could succumb did. Worst case if we quarantine 100% of the population and then self quarantine for all susceptible with a system to support them remaining sequestered for months. Within the 100% quarantine scenario I repeatedly pointed out you can't stop nature from taking the lives of those with months or years to live and the 100% scenario isn't worth it. But I've never said let them all die.

But by all means, keep lying.

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Instead of interpreting what you said, I will just post it without any comment. I think it speaks for itself. As I said Sunday, you are on record (and from here on out always will be). This is your exact quote from Sunday morning:



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"It occurs to me that the Wuhan flu, if left to burn through the population, would not negatively impact school or working age adults in any long term significant manner. It will, instead, likely cull large portions of the population that are much older, infirm, using significant portions of medical bandwidth already and drawing on currently overtaxed social welfare systems like social security. Therefor, the losses we are all discussing are very unlikely to affect the productive population of the country and would likely reduce long term liabilities and stressors placed on the economy by the sickest among the elderly population."

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Does that mean I don't care about loss of life? Of course not, I care about human life a lot. But we have never taken such extreme steps to save the lives of so few, especially in high-risk groups. The precedent this sets is terrifying beyond belief and my hope is that it's just because it is an election year and a lot of people hate Trump.

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So Italy, etc. are doing what they are doing because of Trump? Clueless.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. If we as a country cannot come together without playing the political game, and many are still doing that, we probably get what we deserve.

I wasn't around then, but I suspect that there were plenty of political enemies of FDR, but when Pearl Harbor occurred the country came together like never before to defeat a common enemy.

Defeat or greatly control the virus, then you can get back to your political ****.

We can't see this enemy. At this point we don't know how to beat it other than to try to stay away from it. Unlike the flu, our population has not been vaccinated against it. As for numbers of whatever, we are in perhaps the second inning and we are projecting the number of runs scored in the entire game to where things stand in the second inning. And we have millions of people out there acting as if nothing is happening while just spreading it around to any and all. And, we are finding out now that thinking it only seriously affects those who are elderly or have underlying conditions is a fallacy.

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Get back to me when politicians on the left stop politicizing it and spend time worrying about what we call it.

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You should understand by now that divisiveness and distraction are cornerstone strategies of this administration. The few Dems that waste breath on this word usage are dumb for taking the bait (even if it appears there are more Trumpers talking about it than Dems around here...), but Trump is using it on purpose to generate exactly this kind of discussion. Trump would love to talk about any subject that's not his own incompetence, and above all else he loves for his opponents and supporters to argue over race/immigration issues. If he can get people squabbling over what he calls the virus, that's less breath being spent criticizing his lackluster response.

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Rather than posting fake news, why don't you in specific terms outline specifically what President Obama did specifically around the swine flu outbreak that President Trump specifically should have done?

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Bearitto said:
"It occurs to me that the Wuhan flu, if left to burn through the population, would not negatively impact school or working age adults in any long term significant manner. It will, instead, likely cull large portions of the population that are much older, infirm, using significant portions of medical bandwidth already and drawing on currently overtaxed social welfare systems like social security. Therefor, the losses we are all discussing are very unlikely to affect the productive population of the country and would likely reduce long term liabilities and stressors placed on the economy by the sickest among the elderly population."

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Ouch. I should find the Baylor Bear nailed to the cross that popped up on shaggybevo a decade ago. Nailed by his own words. But he's still posting lots of "I know what's happening" information, so we should keep listening to him.

Man, I'm so relieved that there are so many epidemiologists and qualified medical professionals on this board telling the TRUTH about how phony and overhyped coronavirus is. I guess I'll stop paying attention to Anthony Fauci, Kathryn Jacobsen and Michael Osterholm and instead just read these threads for advice.

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So far, 97 people have died. Each day, 102 people die in automobile accidents.

We're at least 15,000 deaths away from reaching H1N1 totals, and 20,000 away from annual influenza totals.

Was it worth it to destroy tens of millions of lives as well as our economy?

Was it worth it to try and win an election?

What will put a bigger strain on health care, 5,000 Wuhan Virus cases or a 20% unemployment rate?

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So you joined FOX in downplaying the threat. Kyle can you apologize?

"FOX the conservative network's hosts downplayed the threat and claimed Democrats were hyping it to make Trump look bad. Now, they've changed their tune."

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Amazing the blanket incorrect statements out there.

The democrats were impeaching Trump in January when they were trying to brief Congress on the virus

When Trump quickly banned travel from China he took heat from the WHO and Democrats (even Biden) for overreacting and being racist.

Exactly how did u libs spin this to say Now that Dems somehow were the ones taking it seriously and Trump wasn't when he put that flight ban on and they were mocking him for overreacting?

And don't forget China lied to the WHO and told them it wasn't being spread from person to person and they tweeted that out just a week before the travel ban in mid January. Shameful u all want to get political in a time like this. And even worse that u are just flat out wrong.

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Many of you on this thread are complaining about the hysteria as a means to get Trump. Its Trump's administration that is appropriately telling everyone to hunker down for at least the next 15 days. The scientists are saying we might have to take significant precautions much longer than that. Businesses and markets are reacting to the uncertainty. This isn't some sort of Democrat driven/media conspiracy, no matter how much you want it to be.

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Not to sound callous, but if this ends up being the equivalent of a late season flu spike with a couple thousand deaths and 100-200k cases, we can all claim to have been duped, and our economy unnecessarily cratered.

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Actually the document I spoke of specifically mentioned if the steps taken are successful, it will seem like it was all for not as the illness and casualties would be kept at a minimum.

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That's how you give yourself an out when doing speculative math models which these agencies are doing. I'm sorry, but it's their hysterical forecasts that are driving these decisions. Not only do we have incomplete data sets to work with, we still don't understand the virus completely. Even reviewing trends from prior infections including China, who suppressed and sat on the information for months is sitting at 3200 deaths and 80,000+ cases in a population of 1.5 Billion people. Hubei Province where it all started is the size of Missouri with the population of California and New York State combined! The statistical reality is that this is a blip even if it were 10 times worse as it has manifested. But we're acting on a report saying that it could manifest itself 1000 times greater than it has thus far globally just here in our country. This reminds me of rosy OMB forecasts on budgets that never come close to fruition.

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What do you do for a living? If the answer isn't doctor or infectious disease specialist, what makes you feel qualified to speak on the subject with any kind of authority?

Everyone with any knowledge on these things is sharing a unified message. Why should we listen to you over the experts?

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He knows how to read. That's all it takes to reach his conclusions.

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You were posting that Sunday morning. Has your position changed since then? I don't pay much attention to your posts.

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No, I wasn't. I never said let everyone die. I analyzed three approaches, over time. Worst case scenario if those who could succumb did. Worst case if we quarantine 100% of the population and then self quarantine for all susceptible with a system to support them remaining sequestered for months. Within the 100% quarantine scenario I repeatedly pointed out you can't stop nature from taking the lives of those with months or years to live and the 100% scenario isn't worth it. But I've never said let them all die.

But by all means, keep lying.

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Instead of interpreting what you said, I will just post it without any comment. I think it speaks for itself. As I said Sunday, you are on record (and from here on out always will be). This is your exact quote from Sunday morning:



Bearitto said:
"It occurs to me that the Wuhan flu, if left to burn through the population, would not negatively impact school or working age adults in any long term significant manner. It will, instead, likely cull large portions of the population that are much older, infirm, using significant portions of medical bandwidth already and drawing on currently overtaxed social welfare systems like social security. Therefor, the losses we are all discussing are very unlikely to affect the productive population of the country and would likely reduce long term liabilities and stressors placed on the economy by the sickest among the elderly population."

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Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.