HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

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Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

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H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

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National emergency wasn't declared until 6 months later, in October. Read my post again.

January 21st - First case of C-19 on US soil

January 29, 2020 The White House announces the formation of a new task force that will help monitor and contain the spread of the virus, and ensure Americans have accurate and up-to-date health and travel information, it says.

January 31, 2020 Trump administration declared public health emergency and announces it will deny entry to foreign nationals who have traveled in China in the last 14 days. Many liberal media outlets and opposing political "leaders" announce Trump is racist.

March 13, 2020 Trump declares a national emergency to free up $50 billion in federal resources to combat coronavirus.


Trump waited 6 weeks until declaring a national emergency, unlike his predecessor, who waited 6 months. 60 million infected, 300,000 hospitalization, over 12,000 deaths and no social distancing, no shelter in place, no gov't daily press conferences..... Like I said, Obama gets an 'F' on H1N1 response.

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How is your grade on Obama gonna help you today?

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How is your TDS going to help you today?

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It's saving my life. I'm sheltered in place based on information from people like Dr. Fauci.

As Reagan said "Trust but verify" and when I verify Trump, I find his information to consistently be unreliable.

So, I'm gonna sit my ass here with my coffee and hand sanitizer.

"So, I'm gonna sit my ass here with my coffee and hand sanitizer."

... maybe don't mix them next time?

Oldbear83 said:

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"So, I'm gonna sit my ass here with my coffee and hand sanitizer."

... maybe don't mix them next time?

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Wanted to clear my throat.

tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

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In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

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Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

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The sky is falling for you isn't it Tommie?... been falling for what, a little over 3 years now? Probably a lot longer than that, you just don't want to admit it.

Why can't you be truthful to yourself? If Trump's handling of the C-19 is atrocious, then Obama's handling of H1N1 is downright abysmal.

Trump declared a public health emergency in January and restricted China travel, but yet the democratic mayor of New Orleans decided it was okay to go through with Mardi Gras? Oh that's right.... she blames Trump for not being serious enough... I'd say the China travel bans being ridiculed and labeled as racist by the liberals, show they were not taking it serious enough.

But you be you and see what you believe

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Oldbear83 said:

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"So, I'm gonna sit my ass here with my coffee and hand sanitizer."

... maybe don't mix them next time?

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Wanted to clear my throat.

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OK, I'm sure it accomplished that.

HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

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In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

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Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

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The sky is falling for you isn't it Tommie?... been falling for what, a little over 3 years now? Probably a lot longer than that, you just don't want to admit it.

Why can't you be truthful to yourself? If Trump's handling of the C-19 is atrocious, then Obama's handling of H1N1 is downright abysmal.

Trump declared a public health emergency in January and restricted China travel, but yet the democratic mayor of New Orleans decided it was okay to go through with Mardi Gras? Oh that's right.... she blames Trump for not being serious enough... I'd say the China travel bans being ridiculed and labeled as racist by the liberals, show they were not taking it serious enough.

But you be you and see what you believe

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You have a low bar for this President. The ban of Chinese travel is proof of his seriousness? But him saying "it's one person" after 15, it's just gonna go away should be ignored?

May she should have cancelled Mardi Gras and maybe churches in LA shouldn't bus people in and maybe Mississippi should take this more seriously.

Is that the direction I should take or should I plan to attend Easter service? I'm getting both messages.

What is clear is Trump says it's not his fault. I assume it's not his responsibility either.

Oldbear83 said:

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tommie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"So, I'm gonna sit my ass here with my coffee and hand sanitizer."

... maybe don't mix them next time?

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Wanted to clear my throat.

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OK, I'm sure it accomplished that.

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Once I added the kosher salt, it was good.

tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

The sky is falling for you isn't it Tommie?... been falling for what, a little over 3 years now? Probably a lot longer than that, you just don't want to admit it.

Why can't you be truthful to yourself? If Trump's handling of the C-19 is atrocious, then Obama's handling of H1N1 is downright abysmal.

Trump declared a public health emergency in January and restricted China travel, but yet the democratic mayor of New Orleans decided it was okay to go through with Mardi Gras? Oh that's right.... she blames Trump for not being serious enough... I'd say the China travel bans being ridiculed and labeled as racist by the liberals, show they were not taking it serious enough.

But you be you and see what you believe

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You have a low bar for this President. The ban of Chinese travel is proof of his seriousness? But him saying "it's one person" after 15, it's just gonna go away should be ignored?

May she should have cancelled Mardi Gras and maybe churches in LA shouldn't bus people in and maybe Mississippi should take this more seriously.

Is that the direction I should take or should I plan to attend Easter service? I'm getting both messages.

What is clear is Trump says it's not his fault. I assume it's not his responsibility either.

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As long as you post 'quotes' out of context and in some cases claim things he did not actually say, I find it hard to treat your posts as honest discussion, tommie.

Could Trump have phrased some things better? Sure, just like Obama he blunders somewhat off the cuff. Last I checked, rhetoric is nice but not the main job qualification.

tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

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I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

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That's just it. Everyone didn't think it was a hoax. In early January, an intelligence briefing said it was serious. Senator Burr believed it so much, he dumped stock.

tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

The sky is falling for you isn't it Tommie?... been falling for what, a little over 3 years now? Probably a lot longer than that, you just don't want to admit it.

Why can't you be truthful to yourself? If Trump's handling of the C-19 is atrocious, then Obama's handling of H1N1 is downright abysmal.

Trump declared a public health emergency in January and restricted China travel, but yet the democratic mayor of New Orleans decided it was okay to go through with Mardi Gras? Oh that's right.... she blames Trump for not being serious enough... I'd say the China travel bans being ridiculed and labeled as racist by the liberals, show they were not taking it serious enough.

But you be you and see what you believe

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You have a low bar for this President. The ban of Chinese travel is proof of his seriousness? But him saying "it's one person" after 15, it's just gonna go away should be ignored?

May she should have cancelled Mardi Gras and maybe churches in LA shouldn't bus people in and maybe Mississippi should take this more seriously.

Is that the direction I should take or should I plan to attend Easter service? I'm getting both messages.

What is clear is Trump says it's not his fault. I assume it's not his responsibility either.

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The "Low Bar"....that's hilarious considering the bar was set by your last president, previous candidate and current front-runner.

Tell Dementia Joe that I said hi.

Still can bring yourself to admit Obama failed in the response to H1N1.

So tell me, how did you last candidate handle Benghazi? Eh, never mind, after all....."What difference does it make?"

HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

The sky is falling for you isn't it Tommie?... been falling for what, a little over 3 years now? Probably a lot longer than that, you just don't want to admit it.

Why can't you be truthful to yourself? If Trump's handling of the C-19 is atrocious, then Obama's handling of H1N1 is downright abysmal.

Trump declared a public health emergency in January and restricted China travel, but yet the democratic mayor of New Orleans decided it was okay to go through with Mardi Gras? Oh that's right.... she blames Trump for not being serious enough... I'd say the China travel bans being ridiculed and labeled as racist by the liberals, show they were not taking it serious enough.

But you be you and see what you believe

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You have a low bar for this President. The ban of Chinese travel is proof of his seriousness? But him saying "it's one person" after 15, it's just gonna go away should be ignored?

May she should have cancelled Mardi Gras and maybe churches in LA shouldn't bus people in and maybe Mississippi should take this more seriously.

Is that the direction I should take or should I plan to attend Easter service? I'm getting both messages.

What is clear is Trump says it's not his fault. I assume it's not his responsibility either.

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The "Low Bar"....that's hilarious considering the bar was set by your last president, previous candidate and current front-runner.

Tell Dementia Joe that I said hi.

Still can bring yourself to admit Obama failed in the response to H1N1.

So tell me, how did you last candidate handle Benghazi? Eh, never mind, after all....."What difference does it make?"

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According to seven Congressional investigations, the blame was put on preparedness and other decisions (like why was Blue Mountain hired? But nobody investigated that) before the attack. That falls under "on her watch".What are you reading from?

HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

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Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

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Obama is not president and the situations are entirely different. Please quit showing your mental ineptness.

Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

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Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

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H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

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In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

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Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

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I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

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No, you moron, "everyone " didn't think it was a hoax. Trump , Hannity and Tucker did. Just the fact that our Liar in Chief called it a hoax tells you everything you need to know. Clearly not a hoax. Ask the dead people and their families.

Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

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"Everyone thought it was a hoax" has got to be a typo Lolol

Or just try to expand your circle of friends outside of the Alex Jones, Fox News, Breitbart community

What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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My gut tells me that, necessary as it may be, having county judges issue the shut-down orders is an act of political cowardice which will backfire.

People who pay no personal cost for such decisions should not be in charge of those decisions.

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Actually it is an act of political courage that governors and local leaders have to take. Because frankly no one above that level is leading at all.

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You say so, I see different.

Time will tell.

But I pay attention to what people say and do, and already there are some restaurants serving seated patrons in defiance of the ban here in Harris County, and already there are people ignoring shelter-in-place orders in California and Pennsylvania, because the Governors in those places are great in front of TV cameras, but lousy at really understanding what their orders cost regular people.

Not saying I agree with the defiance - I am self-quarantining for 2 weeks because my wife was in Hong Kong caring for her mother, but like I said I look and I listen and it's easy to issue edicts like you are some kind of King, and not make provision for the cost to ordinary people. There is going to be push-back, and that will have its own effect on the virus spread and consequences.

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Those people disobeying are arrogant and selfish.

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You would know.

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Yes, I, would know because I was and am there. But your assumption that I woulld know means that indeed those folk who go out and infect others they are arrogant and selfish

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Not really. Most people who infect others aren't even sick. That's why you see explosions of the infection in really densely populated areas such as NYC. These people have to eat, so they go to the grocery, touch something, even though not sick, they are carrying the illness. The proposerous notion a politician can stop the spread is foolish. To truly stop the spread people would have to starve to deaths. Back in 1918 you could cut yourself off for many people because more people grew their own food or were rural. Today folks even country folks usually get their food at the store. Basically you are calling people selfish for not starving to death. They simply have to get food. They did a study in China saying 86% of carriers were not even sick by their calculation. This will continue to spread until those that can get it do get it, there will likely be mutiple outbreaks between now and next spring.

Unless of course this mutates into a less harmful virus.

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Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

The best way not to get sick is, do not touch your face or mouth when you must shop, then when you leave wash your hands or sterilize them the moment you leave the store. Do not take non perishables inside right away. Bath after an excursion to any public place.

But #1, wash your hands before you touch your face or mouth when you get out. That's the moment you get most exposure. Also don't get close to others when you shop. If you need an item just wait for them to move along before you go get it. Take control yourself. Quit blaming others.

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Oldbear83 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

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You almost could not be more wrong, Waco.

Looks like the number of new cases is leveling off.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Today ( Saturday) is only a six hundred more than Friday.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

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You almost could not be more wrong, Waco.

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You literally have no proof. And don't say "your posts prove it" without a single example. Show me 3 lies. It should easy if "all" my post are lies. Go

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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My gut tells me that, necessary as it may be, having county judges issue the shut-down orders is an act of political cowardice which will backfire.

People who pay no personal cost for such decisions should not be in charge of those decisions.

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Actually it is an act of political courage that governors and local leaders have to take. Because frankly no one above that level is leading at all.

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You say so, I see different.

Time will tell.

But I pay attention to what people say and do, and already there are some restaurants serving seated patrons in defiance of the ban here in Harris County, and already there are people ignoring shelter-in-place orders in California and Pennsylvania, because the Governors in those places are great in front of TV cameras, but lousy at really understanding what their orders cost regular people.

Not saying I agree with the defiance - I am self-quarantining for 2 weeks because my wife was in Hong Kong caring for her mother, but like I said I look and I listen and it's easy to issue edicts like you are some kind of King, and not make provision for the cost to ordinary people. There is going to be push-back, and that will have its own effect on the virus spread and consequences.

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Those people disobeying are arrogant and selfish.

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You would know.

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Yes, I, would know because I was and am there. But your assumption that I woulld know means that indeed those folk who go out and infect others they are arrogant and selfish

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Not really. Most people who infect others aren't even sick. That's why you see explosions of the infection in really densely populated areas such as NYC. These people have to eat, so they go to the grocery, touch something, even though not sick, they are carrying the illness. The proposerous notion a politician can stop the spread is foolish. To truly stop the spread people would have to starve to deaths. Back in 1918 you could cut yourself off for many people because more people grew their own food or were rural. Today folks even country folks usually get their food at the store. Basically you are calling people selfish for not starving to death. They simply have to get food. They did a study in China saying 86% of carriers were not even sick by their calculation. This will continue to spread until those that can get it do get it, there will likely be multiple outbreaks between now and next spring.

Unless of course this mutates into a less harmful virus.

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Forrest, you are, of course, correct. But I was referring to the :"self proclaimed" Idiots who declare "I don't care God is control or God will take me God says so." Meanwhile they infect others.

Waco1947 said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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My gut tells me that, necessary as it may be, having county judges issue the shut-down orders is an act of political cowardice which will backfire.

People who pay no personal cost for such decisions should not be in charge of those decisions.

---

Actually it is an act of political courage that governors and local leaders have to take. Because frankly no one above that level is leading at all.

---

You say so, I see different.

Time will tell.

But I pay attention to what people say and do, and already there are some restaurants serving seated patrons in defiance of the ban here in Harris County, and already there are people ignoring shelter-in-place orders in California and Pennsylvania, because the Governors in those places are great in front of TV cameras, but lousy at really understanding what their orders cost regular people.

Not saying I agree with the defiance - I am self-quarantining for 2 weeks because my wife was in Hong Kong caring for her mother, but like I said I look and I listen and it's easy to issue edicts like you are some kind of King, and not make provision for the cost to ordinary people. There is going to be push-back, and that will have its own effect on the virus spread and consequences.

---

Those people disobeying are arrogant and selfish.

---

You would know.

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Yes, I, would know because I was and am there. But your assumption that I woulld know means that indeed those folk who go out and infect others they are arrogant and selfish

---

Not really. Most people who infect others aren't even sick. That's why you see explosions of the infection in really densely populated areas such as NYC. These people have to eat, so they go to the grocery, touch something, even though not sick, they are carrying the illness. The proposerous notion a politician can stop the spread is foolish. To truly stop the spread people would have to starve to deaths. Back in 1918 you could cut yourself off for many people because more people grew their own food or were rural. Today folks even country folks usually get their food at the store. Basically you are calling people selfish for not starving to death. They simply have to get food. They did a study in China saying 86% of carriers were not even sick by their calculation. This will continue to spread until those that can get it do get it, there will likely be multiple outbreaks between now and next spring.

Unless of course this mutates into a less harmful virus.

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Forrest, you are, of course, correct. But I was referring to the :"self proclaimed" Idiots who declare "I don't care God is control or God will take me God says so." Meanwhile they infect others.

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I agree with you here, like the guy with the 1000 person church who had refused to stop congregating. That is a recipe for disaster. Or the guy that came into our office a few days before the near lockdown here, who claimed it wasn't serious and he didn't care about it one way or the other. I hear what you are saying.

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

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No, you moron, "everyone " didn't think it was a hoax. Trump , Hannity and Tucker did. Just the fact that our Liar in Chief called it a hoax tells you everything you need to know. Clearly not a hoax. Ask the dead people and their families.

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You seem smart.

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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Flaming Moderate said:

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tommie said:

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HashTag said:

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tommie said:

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Kyle said:

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Scattershooting while wondering why no one can explain why we did not react this way in 2009? Only one thing was different?

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Different virus. Different Messenger. Different Relationships. Different Origin. Different goal.

COVID-19 is much more contagious but was being messaged as "no big deal." This outward messaging was followed with a slow response and a counter message from trusted sources that this is not to be messed with.

I'd argue the biggest difference is the messenger. Trump and conservative media kept arguing this bug was somehow a plot against Donald Trump. It's not.

H1N1 originated in Mexico and very early on had a cooperative relationship between the US/Mexico/Canada. Now, it's America First. We had little information from China.

Finally, our supply chains for PPE and equipment are disrupted. We will lose a tremendous number of front line workers who working with serious risk to themselves.

Finally, Trump is addressing this pandemic as an economic problem. It's a health problem.

---

Obama grossly mishandled the H1N1 virus. 60 million infected, almost 300,000 hospitalized and over 12,000 deaths. Didn't declare it a national emergency until 6 months later.

Spin all you want, we know you will, but the numbers are against you on this.

---

H1N1 was first detected on American soil April 15. Public Health Emergency declared April 26. Test approved and released April 28. Test shipped May 1.

WHO declares pandemic June 11. New Vaccine released in September.

COVID-19 first case in January. It's March and we just got testing and declaration. We don't know the upper limit, so talking about it makes no sense.

Again, the biggest difference between the two presidents is Trump downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19 and convinced people it was a media plot against him (it ain't).

---

In fairness, Trump was actually ahead of others on it. When Trump was calling for action, it was the Democrats downplaying it. We should be intellectually honest. There is plenty of irrefutable evidence to that point. I am not saying Trump hit a home run, but he was ahead of others.

---

Things like this is as often the message as it is the action. IMO, Trump has done a disservice to his supporters as they initially believe this was a hoax.

And they acted as such.

So, as bad as this seems in the northeast and west will quickly come to the south and be devastating. And that's gonna suck for us.

So if he did good, he undermined the good he did.

---

I do not think that is fair because everyone thought it was a hoax. You would not have Democrats criticizing his attempts to react early, and posted hear you can see New York officials encouraging people in February to go to Chinatown and get out - because we're all safe. Add to the the flaccid response to H1N1, the response was in fact quite commensurate with expectations. As people often do, it is easy to take cheap political shots retrospectively. If one is going to blame Trump, one cannot credit Cuomo (for response - lots of soft things Cuomo does millions times better).

---

"Everyone thought it was a hoax" has got to be a typo Lolol

Or just try to expand your circle of friends outside of the Alex Jones, Fox News, Breitbart community

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Do you even know what this is supposed to mean? This seems like a bot post.

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Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

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You almost could not be more wrong, Waco.

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You literally have no proof. And don't say "your posts prove it" without a single example. Show me 3 lies. It should easy if "all" my post are lies. Go

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I literally could point to your posts, Waco, but you never acknowledge the evil and malice in your posts, so I don't waste the time.

I simply call you for your behavior, and we both know the truth of it.

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

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You almost could not be more wrong, Waco.

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You literally have no proof. And don't say "your posts prove it" without a single example. Show me 3 lies. It should easy if "all" my post are lies. Go

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I literally could point to your posts, Waco, but you never acknowledge the evil and malice in your posts, so I don't waste the time.

I simply call you for your behavior, and we both know the truth of it.

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and you post one those "evil" comments

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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What? Ob83 you are Still with pettiness like the President

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Not in the least Waco, I simply remember that you work against God's children, not with them.

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OB, you simply make up stories And called him true. When you really know nothing about me you are very sad 83

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You almost could not be more wrong, Waco.

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You literally have no proof. And don't say "your posts prove it" without a single example. Show me 3 lies. It should easy if "all" my post are lies. Go

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I literally could point to your posts, Waco, but you never acknowledge the evil and malice in your posts, so I don't waste the time.

I simply call you for your behavior, and we both know the truth of it.

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and you post one those "evil" comments

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Stay safe, Waco.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

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So you are now talking about Eleanor Roosevelt. Ha!

Bearitto said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

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So you are now talking about Eleanor Roosevelt. Ha!

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Notice the small minds who discuss me and not the ideas. You rank up there in smallness

Waco1947 said:

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Bearitto said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

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So you are now talking about Eleanor Roosevelt. Ha!

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Notice the small minds who discuss me and not the ideas. You rank up there in smallness

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Now you are discussing me. Ha!