Well now I imagine Barr has told him he can't do it and someone explained he will crash the economy more than he has by mismanaging the virus in the first place. As he just announced he has decided quarantine isn't necessary. What a clown.
I think Trump just gave them notice of what he will be doing shortly.PartyBear said:
I don't think he has the authority to pick one or two states and do a quarantine. Perhaps a POTUS can order a nationwide shelter in place and perhaps he should. NY is already under one though. As are some other states and many cities and counties in states where there isnt one. Nevertheless I can't imagine just announcing you think you can shut down NY is going to sit well with Wall Street. As it is literally in NYC and NYC is modern Rome commerce wise.
Jinx 2 said:How exactly was Cuomo supposed to keep people from traveling through the NYC airports from all over the globe in the absence of any federal guidance and with a POTUS who was calling the virus a hoax and not a big threat until Tucker Carlson confronted him at a party.contrario said:
NYC has almost half of the US cases. NYC has more cases than every country but 4. Yes, Cuomo is doing a bang up job. If results mattered in politics, he would have been fired this week, but results don't matter. Words are all that matters and he talks a good game that appeals to the dumbest of all of us.
Mayors are having to step up and do too little too late with inadequate supplies the state and federal governments didn't do their jobs. Cuomo and the mayor of my city both mandated social distancing. My state has far more cases than adjacent states where governors took more aggressive action sooner; our mayor acted as soon as he could to mandate social distancing, quell a revolt among bar owners willing to put the entire city at risk, and shut down non-essential services and businesses. That meant we started behind.
And we don' have the density of New York.
The right-wing media narrative may be to blame local leaders, but a pandemic requires a national response and we started ours months too late.
I can't believe there are still people who believe Trump called the virus a hoax.Jinx 2 said:How exactly was Cuomo supposed to keep people from traveling through the NYC airports from all over the globe in the absence of any federal guidance and with a POTUS who was calling the virus a hoax and not a big threat until Tucker Carlson confronted him at a party.contrario said:
NYC has almost half of the US cases. NYC has more cases than every country but 4. Yes, Cuomo is doing a bang up job. If results mattered in politics, he would have been fired this week, but results don't matter. Words are all that matters and he talks a good game that appeals to the dumbest of all of us.
Mayors are having to step up and do too little too late with inadequate supplies the state and federal governments didn't do their jobs. Cuomo and the mayor of my city both mandated social distancing. My state has far more cases than adjacent states where governors took more aggressive action sooner; our mayor acted as soon as he could to mandate social distancing, quell a revolt among bar owners willing to put the entire city at risk, and shut down non-essential services and businesses. That meant we started behind.
And we don' have the density of New York.
The right-wing media narrative may be to blame local leaders, but a pandemic requires a national response and we started ours months too late.
tommie said:
He's not on the ticket. I can't speak to his moral failings.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.PartyBear said:
I don't think he has the authority to pick one or two states and do a quarantine. Perhaps a POTUS can order a nationwide shelter in place and perhaps he should. NY is already under one though. As are some other states and many cities and counties in states where there isnt one. Nevertheless I can't imagine just announcing you think you can shut down NY is going to sit well with Wall Street. As it is literally in NYC and NYC is modern Rome commerce wise.
J.R. said:1) Show me the data on Branson vs. Trump failuresBaylorFTW said:1. Branson has had a lot more failed business ideas than Trump. Trump has a better batting average. If you like facts, you should be willing to accept those facts. What other personal brands can you think of?J.R. said:1. I don't want a president with a brand and one who keeps perpetuating it. To compare the Orange Con-Man to Richard Branson is jus laughableBaylorFTW said:You mean truth like:J.R. said:He didn't really become a Billionaire, he inherited $440M for daddy and has left a wake of failures behind him. Mr. Rifle, I deal in facts and data, not twitter crap. I would like you to refute anything I said in my post. Let's face it, he not leader, he's a con man.riflebear said:I'm amazed (not really) at the disinformation out there from people who only watch liberal media. Trump definitely is not perfect in his briefings but you don't become a Billionaire and then become President w/out knowing how to manage large projects and LISTEN and delegate. If he wasn't listening he wouldn't have put the China ban on and he wouldn't have told everyone to stay inside and follow all the health officials as the economy passes into a recession which could severely damage his election chances.J.R. said:
I don't give 2 ****s about his political leanings. What I have observed is that he is so much more capable than our president. While our President continues his narcissist ways, and managing this crisis by his opinion and not facts, Gov. Cuomo, deals in facts, data, and the expertise of the best people we have. Trump deals in bull*****
Listen to this before making blanket statements. It contradicts everything you said. I know I won't change your mind but hopefully you will be more educated.
- His brand has been more successful than other counterparts like Richard Branson's Virgin brand. Branson has had far more duds and I am aware of people considering him a failure.
- Most people would be delighted to have the track record of wins and losses that Trump has experienced.
- You try to claim he didn't really become a billionaire but by your own claimed facts, he received $440 million and now has a net worth of $3.1 billion. That sounds like significant progress to me. I know plenty of stories of folks who turned millions into mere thousands. But how many people have turned millions into billions?
- This article says Fred Trump died in 1999 with an estimated net wealth between $250 million and $300 million according to a New York Times article at the time of death.8 While the specific amount Trump inherited from his father has not been revealed, a Jan. 2016 article from the New York Times shows that Trump's will divided $20 million after taxes among his living children including Donald. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us/politics/for-donald-trump-lessons-from-a-brothers-suffering.html
- Don't forget that Trump ran his father's businesses during his father's twilight years. How much additional money did Donald make for his father and his estate?
2)His track record is filled with carnage and not paying his bills a screwing people, so I disagree
3)We have NO IDEA what he is worth. He lies about everything , including his wealth . If I enherited $440M, a Billion is fairly easy to do. He ain't close to $3B
4)Hell, I could run my father's business, If I inherited $440M and ran the business with Fred's capital, a couple billion ain't that hard
2. One could make a similar claim about a lot of wealthy people yet you only criticize Trump. Just off the top of my head, Biden, Clinton, Sanders all have been caught doing some shady or wicked monetary things. Ethical politicians are in short supply.
3. You don't get it both ways with the numbers. It is also funny that you think the only one who lies about numbers is Trump.
4. Talk is cheap. What have you done to show that you could do the same? Are you a billionaire? Have you overseen millions for others that you grew into billions? And notice how you dodged the question about how much money Donald made for his Dad? That is money you want to pass off as him merely inheriting it. Since you don't know what that number is, you should be very reserved instead of outspoken on this point. It could well be that Donald may have helped his father considerably which would render your "he only inherited it" claim ridiculous.
2) He's a liar, Nobody, including you have a clue what he did for daddy.
3)He does it every day. That MFer cannot tell the truth
4)Not a Billionaire. I've done well and I've done it myself. I've run a $15B company. I've started and sold 2 companies. Currently run 2 companies. I think I have some perspective. So, tell me your experience and expertise.
Florda_mike said:tommie said:
He's not on the ticket. I can't speak to his moral failings.
As if you'd speak of his "moral failings if he was on the ticket?"
You're sly, but obviously TDS infected
The Guardian is a far more reliable source than you. Among MANY other misleading claims your dear leader has made re: the virus, he called the threat posed by the virus "a hoax."BusyTarpDuster2017 said:I can't believe there are still people who believe Trump called the virus a hoax.Jinx 2 said:How exactly was Cuomo supposed to keep people from traveling through the NYC airports from all over the globe in the absence of any federal guidance and with a POTUS who was calling the virus a hoax and not a big threat until Tucker Carlson confronted him at a party.contrario said:
NYC has almost half of the US cases. NYC has more cases than every country but 4. Yes, Cuomo is doing a bang up job. If results mattered in politics, he would have been fired this week, but results don't matter. Words are all that matters and he talks a good game that appeals to the dumbest of all of us.
Mayors are having to step up and do too little too late with inadequate supplies the state and federal governments didn't do their jobs. Cuomo and the mayor of my city both mandated social distancing. My state has far more cases than adjacent states where governors took more aggressive action sooner; our mayor acted as soon as he could to mandate social distancing, quell a revolt among bar owners willing to put the entire city at risk, and shut down non-essential services and businesses. That meant we started behind.
And we don' have the density of New York.
The right-wing media narrative may be to blame local leaders, but a pandemic requires a national response and we started ours months too late.
Just FYI - if you want people to take you seriously you can't demonstrate this level of lack of awareness.
PartyBear said:
Well now I imagine Barr has told him he can't do it and someone explained he will crash the economy more than he has by mismanaging the virus in the first place. As he just announced he has decided quarantine isn't necessary. What a clown.
HashTag said:Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.PartyBear said:
I don't think he has the authority to pick one or two states and do a quarantine. Perhaps a POTUS can order a nationwide shelter in place and perhaps he should. NY is already under one though. As are some other states and many cities and counties in states where there isnt one. Nevertheless I can't imagine just announcing you think you can shut down NY is going to sit well with Wall Street. As it is literally in NYC and NYC is modern Rome commerce wise.
While there's nothing says that he can explicitly shut down a state, there's nothing that says he can't either.PartyBear said:HashTag said:Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.PartyBear said:
I don't think he has the authority to pick one or two states and do a quarantine. Perhaps a POTUS can order a nationwide shelter in place and perhaps he should. NY is already under one though. As are some other states and many cities and counties in states where there isnt one. Nevertheless I can't imagine just announcing you think you can shut down NY is going to sit well with Wall Street. As it is literally in NYC and NYC is modern Rome commerce wise.
This statute 42 USC 264 does not allow a federal lock down of states or areas. No where is that topic even hinted at in the statute. It allows for authorization to block an individual infected with a communicable disease from entering the country or a detention/quarantine of that individual for treatment or until well.
I love how you state a solution on my behalf that I never argued and then trash me for supporting it when it's your own idea. Your post is a whole barnfull of straw men, and Oz didn't give any of them a brain. And then you have the chutzpah to accuse me of dishonesty. If my ironometer wasn't already broken, that would have done the job.Canada2017 said:Jinx 2 said:How exactly was Cuomo supposed to keep people from traveling through the NYC airports from all over the globe in the absence of any federal guidance and with a POTUS who was calling the virus a hoax and not a big threat until Tucker Carlson confronted him at a party.contrario said:
NYC has almost half of the US cases. NYC has more cases than every country but 4. Yes, Cuomo is doing a bang up job. If results mattered in politics, he would have been fired this week, but results don't matter. Words are all that matters and he talks a good game that appeals to the dumbest of all of us.
Mayors are having to step up and do too little too late with inadequate supplies the state and federal governments didn't do their jobs. Cuomo and the mayor of my city both mandated social distancing. My state has far more cases than adjacent states where governors took more aggressive action sooner; our mayor acted as soon as he could to mandate social distancing, quell a revolt among bar owners willing to put the entire city at risk, and shut down non-essential services and businesses. That meant we started behind.
And we don' have the density of New York.
The right-wing media narrative may be to blame local leaders, but a pandemic requires a national response and we started ours months too late.
Oh yeah ....
Can just imagine the dozens of toxic posts you would have blasted out if Trump had closed the borders and imposed a total travel ban on all countries back in December, January or February.
Be honest for once ....you would have had an apoplectic fit .