The Republic States of America vs. The Socialist States of America.

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robby44 said:

If there was "big time fraud" how did Lindsay and Moscow Mitch get reelected.
Because America.
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TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Welp. Good to see y'all are handling this so well.

"I love America so much I want to break her apart!"

Yawn. See y'all in 3 years, when all your whining about socialism is still fake, and all your swearing that your guns will be taken away is still fake, along with whatever else you're crying about.

Me? I'm just excited for America to be boring again.
But you want those things...

The Republican Party is now the party of the working class and the Democratic party is now the party of the elite.

Want proof? https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-election-trump-biden-donors/



You are adorable!

Do you get tired of being wrong?
A promise of higher taxes, the elimination of the oil & gas industry, and eliminating the police! What's not to like? Every working man's dream come true! LOL!!!
Do you make more than $400K a year? -That is none of your business

No one is eliminating oil and gas. Jesus. - Biden and Harris have said so on numerous occasions. Their words, - not mine.

And is Joe Biden responsible for all black men in prison? Or is he going to eliminate the police? Which one is it? - He is responsible for many of the "Super predators" still in prison. Once again, his words, not mine.

This is why Trump lost. He couldn't get his lies straight. The reason he got as close as he did is because people like you don't care.- This election was stolen. Life will go on.
Hope you and your ilk sleep well. It is not over.
Yeah, it really is over.
Sorry
You are probably right.

The best analogy I can come up with is that this election can be best compared to the New Orleans Saints vs. Minnesota Vikings NFL playoff game last January 2019 to where a Viking defender blatantly committed pass interference on a Saints receiver that was not called it changed the outcome of the game. The play could not be reviewed and the ref's bad all cost the Saints their season. The NFL admitted they were wrong and screwed up. The final outcome was upheld. Will be the same way with this election. It will be determined that many thousands of votes were cast illegally (which includes thousands of dead people), but the courts will not overturn the "decision." The decision was made by the media and NOT the states.

The NFL fixed this non-reviewable pass interference problem by allowing such a play to be reviewed going forward to ensure the same thing won't happen again. Will the Republicans do the same? I hope we can continue to decide elections at the ballot box. If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner. No more. I am hopeful for a peaceful resolution but am ready for either one.
There is no credible evidence as of yet there was widespread fraud, or any fraud that was on a scale large enough to overturn the results of any state election. As always, and just like 2016, he couldn't accept he lost the popular vote and he spent taxpayers' dollars on his narcissistic ego by appointing a blue ribbon commission to find evidence to support his claims of millions of fraudulent votes, and they found absolutely nothing. There are plenty of rumors, disinformation, and undocumented anecdotal claims circulating on the internet, on far right broadcasts, and in far right conspiracy corners which Trump is trying to exploit. He's looking for some legal theory he can try to develop and exploit to hold on to power. At the end of the day, he'll get his chance to try to prove his claims in court if there is anything legitimate to them.
This is probably right, but why not prove it. It appears each allegation is not working out. For fair minded people, this will remove any shadow from Biden's election
TexasScientist
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

If you don't get what you consider justice, what are you going to do that is unpeaceful?
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” ~ Upton Sinclair
TexasScientist
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Osodecentx said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Welp. Good to see y'all are handling this so well.

"I love America so much I want to break her apart!"

Yawn. See y'all in 3 years, when all your whining about socialism is still fake, and all your swearing that your guns will be taken away is still fake, along with whatever else you're crying about.

Me? I'm just excited for America to be boring again.
But you want those things...

The Republican Party is now the party of the working class and the Democratic party is now the party of the elite.

Want proof? https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-election-trump-biden-donors/



You are adorable!

Do you get tired of being wrong?
A promise of higher taxes, the elimination of the oil & gas industry, and eliminating the police! What's not to like? Every working man's dream come true! LOL!!!
Do you make more than $400K a year? -That is none of your business

No one is eliminating oil and gas. Jesus. - Biden and Harris have said so on numerous occasions. Their words, - not mine.

And is Joe Biden responsible for all black men in prison? Or is he going to eliminate the police? Which one is it? - He is responsible for many of the "Super predators" still in prison. Once again, his words, not mine.

This is why Trump lost. He couldn't get his lies straight. The reason he got as close as he did is because people like you don't care.- This election was stolen. Life will go on.
Hope you and your ilk sleep well. It is not over.
Yeah, it really is over.
Sorry
You are probably right.

The best analogy I can come up with is that this election can be best compared to the New Orleans Saints vs. Minnesota Vikings NFL playoff game last January 2019 to where a Viking defender blatantly committed pass interference on a Saints receiver that was not called it changed the outcome of the game. The play could not be reviewed and the ref's bad all cost the Saints their season. The NFL admitted they were wrong and screwed up. The final outcome was upheld. Will be the same way with this election. It will be determined that many thousands of votes were cast illegally (which includes thousands of dead people), but the courts will not overturn the "decision." The decision was made by the media and NOT the states.

The NFL fixed this non-reviewable pass interference problem by allowing such a play to be reviewed going forward to ensure the same thing won't happen again. Will the Republicans do the same? I hope we can continue to decide elections at the ballot box. If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner. No more. I am hopeful for a peaceful resolution but am ready for either one.
There is no credible evidence as of yet there was widespread fraud, or any fraud that was on a scale large enough to overturn the results of any state election. As always, and just like 2016, he couldn't accept he lost the popular vote and he spent taxpayers' dollars on his narcissistic ego by appointing a blue ribbon commission to find evidence to support his claims of millions of fraudulent votes, and they found absolutely nothing. There are plenty of rumors, disinformation, and undocumented anecdotal claims circulating on the internet, on far right broadcasts, and in far right conspiracy corners which Trump is trying to exploit. He's looking for some legal theory he can try to develop and exploit to hold on to power. At the end of the day, he'll get his chance to try to prove his claims in court if there is anything legitimate to them.
This is probably right, but why not prove it. It appears each allegation is not working out. For fair minded people, this will remove any shadow from Biden's election
I agree completely.
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” ~ Upton Sinclair
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Sam Lowry
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Osodecentx
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Oldbear83
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Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
BaylorBJM
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
quash
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.

It won't happen. And if it does you won't do anything about it.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.

It won't happen. And if it does you won't do anything about it.
Okey Dokey, Mr. " Libertarian".
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
TexasScientist
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
Many of those same ballots elected down ballot Republicans.
TexasScientist
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
Where is the strong evidence? So far there isn't any, unless you consider Trump's strong assertions as evidence.
Oldbear83
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TexasScientist said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
Where is the strong evidence? So far there isn't any, unless you consider Trump's strong assertions as evidence.
You are either blissfully unaware of the thread where much of the evidence, including dozens of sworn affidavits from witnesses, none of them Trump by the way, are filed with courts in five states, or you are in bitter denial.

Either way, I will let you find out in time on your own. You'd never believe proof posted here.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
TexasScientist
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Oldbear83 said:

TexasScientist said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
Where is the strong evidence? So far there isn't any, unless you consider Trump's strong assertions as evidence.
You are either blissfully unaware of the thread where much of the evidence, including dozens of sworn affidavits from witnesses, none of them Trump by the way, are filed with courts in five states, or you are in bitter denial.

Either way, I will let you find out in time on your own. You'd never believe proof posted here.
We'll see won't we.
Oldbear83
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TexasScientist said:

Oldbear83 said:

TexasScientist said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
Where is the strong evidence? So far there isn't any, unless you consider Trump's strong assertions as evidence.
You are either blissfully unaware of the thread where much of the evidence, including dozens of sworn affidavits from witnesses, none of them Trump by the way, are filed with courts in five states, or you are in bitter denial.

Either way, I will let you find out in time on your own. You'd never believe proof posted here.
We'll see won't we.
Yep. Win or lose, history will be made.
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
quash
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.

Always. At a rate around .000005
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
BaylorBJM
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So the Trump campaign is now 0-for-11 on their legal challenges. Who would have guessed the DEEP STATE spread that far and wide!?

So.much.SWAMP!!1!
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
I've never cared about anything except electoral votes. The question was why so many Biden votes in a high-turnout election didn't translate to down-ticket votes for Democrats. The most obvious answer is that a lot of people voted against Trump. "But but 70 million" means diddly, but you're welcome to it as a consolation prize.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
I've never cared about anything except electoral votes. The question was why so many Biden votes in a high-turnout election didn't translate to down-ticket votes for Democrats. The most obvious answer is that a lot of people voted against Trump. "But but 70 million" means diddly, but you're welcome to it as a consolation prize.
All those mysterious ballots which showed up out of nowhere with a vote for Biden and no one else, you will just ignore them bc "Orange Man Bad".

** sigh **
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
I've never cared about anything except electoral votes. The question was why so many Biden votes in a high-turnout election didn't translate to down-ticket votes for Democrats. The most obvious answer is that a lot of people voted against Trump. "But but 70 million" means diddly, but you're welcome to it as a consolation prize.
All those mysterious ballots which showed up out of nowhere with a vote for Biden and no one else, you will just ignore them bc "Orange Man Bad".

** sigh **
I've got 99 problems, and a proven allegation by Trump ain't one. So far. What happens next we will see.
TexasScientist
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
I've never cared about anything except electoral votes. The question was why so many Biden votes in a high-turnout election didn't translate to down-ticket votes for Democrats. The most obvious answer is that a lot of people voted against Trump. "But but 70 million" means diddly, but you're welcome to it as a consolation prize.
All those mysterious ballots which showed up out of nowhere with a vote for Biden and no one else, you will just ignore them bc "Orange Man Bad".

** sigh **
As Karl Rove said on Fox, this is not a legitimate argument. He said there are always ballots that are marked at the top of the ticket and blank on the rest because many people, as he said, only care about that one race, vote it, and say I'm out of here on the rest.

BTW - there have been no mysterious ballots that have showed up out of no where. That has already been debunked. If there were, it would be easy to prove in court. There is whole process and system in place to maintain ballot integrity and security. Ballots just can't mysteriously show up. You're just spreading false information.
Oldbear83
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I will wait and see what the courts say. Funny how some folks deny the obvious when it runs against their politics.
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Whiskey Pete
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TexasScientist said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TexasScientist said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

quash said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:


If the dishonesty and cheating happens again, it may be settled in another manner.
It can't happen again until is proved that it happened at all.

And enough of these civil war fantasies, you and your ilk are not going to rise up off your couches
We will see what the courts decide. I fully expect a, "yes, there was big time fraud but the election stands.". When that happens, don't expect too many of those of us that love our country to remain on our couches.
If the courts find 'big time fraud' they'll render a judgement if there is enough to overturn an election. They never overturn an election unless there is enough fraudulent activity to affect the outcome.

Those who are on their couches have a unique claim of love for country. What exactly are you going to do if you get up off of your couches?
No Justice. No Peace!!!!
What do you consider justice. A Trump victory?

A fair election.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes cast only picking Biden and not selecting any other races in swing states. All time record voter turnout for a Presidential race yet the Democrats LOST seats in the House? Why did dead people only vote for Joe Biden? You seem like a smart guy. Connect the dots.
People really dislike Trump? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.
Anything to ignore a truth you don't like, I see.
What truth? Declarative sentences, please
Trump collected 70 million votes this year. That is not evidence of wide dislike of the incumbent.

Also, there is strong evidence of fraud by Democrats this year. That would not be the case if it were simply dislike of Trump

Sometimes the boldest lie is the Democrat plan.
70 million this year is a smaller percentage than Hillary in 2016. And there's always fraud.
You look for excuses on one side, but live off assumptions the other way.

Trump raised both numbers and percentage of the Popular Vote. That used to be what you cared about.

Time for you to move those goal posts again, I see.

And yes, there is significant evidence of fraud. May well not convince the court to change anything, but only the blindest fool would pretend Biden had a clean win.
I've never cared about anything except electoral votes. The question was why so many Biden votes in a high-turnout election didn't translate to down-ticket votes for Democrats. The most obvious answer is that a lot of people voted against Trump. "But but 70 million" means diddly, but you're welcome to it as a consolation prize.
All those mysterious ballots which showed up out of nowhere with a vote for Biden and no one else, you will just ignore them bc "Orange Man Bad".

** sigh **
As Karl Rove said on Fox, this is not a legitimate argument. He said there are always ballots that are marked at the top of the ticket and blank on the rest because many people, as he said, only care about that one race, vote it, and say I'm out of here on the rest.

BTW - there have been no mysterious ballots that have showed up out of no where. That has already been debunked. If there were, it would be easy to prove in court. There is whole process and system in place to maintain ballot integrity and security. Ballots just can't mysteriously show up. You're just spreading false information.
Great. If there's nothing to see here and everything is good to, then you won't mind waiting while this plays through our court system and biden is declared winner of a free and fair election
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Gallop did a poll on October 21st asking respondents if they thought the election would be conducted fairly. 51% of Democrats said they thought it would. They did a similar poll the other day asking if they thought it was in fact conducted fairly. 90% of democrats responded that it was. Funny how perspectives change based on whether or not "your guy" wins or loses. A 40% swing is absurd.
Sic Everyone.
BrooksBearLives
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Oldbear83 said:

"That was true for 98% of Americans"

No, it was not.
Sigh. It isn't hard to look up.

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20140303.037517/full/

Whoops! Looks like I was wrong afterall. It wasn't 98%. It' was 99.992%. MY BAD.

Quote:

The findings from HRMS show that nearly one in five (18.6 percent) of those with nongroup health insurance at the time of the survey report the plan they had in 2013 will no longer be offered to them because it did not meet new coverage requirements. Estimates from the NHIS indicate that approximately 14 million people had non-group coverage at a point in time. Identifying the number of people enrolled in non-group insurance is challenging. Estimates in Abraham et al. (2013) ranged from 9.55 million in the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey to 25.3 million in the American Community Survey. We use the NHIS estimate since it corresponds with more recent estimates based on new NAIC enrollment data reported in the Supplemental Health Care Exhibit (SHCE).[url=file:///I:/haffairs/Blog%20pipeline/Accepted/In%20Editing/Clemons/Clemans-Cope_Cancellations_FINAL.docx#_edn1][/url]

Using this estimate, our findings imply that roughly 2.6 million people would have reported that their plan would no longer be offered due to noncompliance with the ACA. Another 6 percent reported that their plan was cancelled for other reasons, and 75.4 percent reported that they did not receive a notice of cancellation
What's more, over half of those folks were eligible for support within the marketplace and much more chose to do so.

C'mon, man. Just let it go.
Oldbear83
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You'll never be "wrong" when you only listen to your own opinion.

A few alternatives:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/millions-of-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-of-obamacare

https://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance-flna8C11484394

Please note that these are mainstream news sources, not biased sources with names that imply objectivity

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Texasjeremy
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https://tnm.me/

Make Texas Independent Again
BrooksBearLives
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Okay, there is no universe where the Washington Examiner is a "mainstream source."

Also, I showed you up to date sources and included the methodology for how they found it.

Take the L. You're wrong. Millions didn't lose their healthcare because of Obama. You're not telling the truth if you say they did. You're lying.

On net millions MORE got it. No one denies that. He said that if you liked your doctor you could keep it, however, he was assuming people realized he was taking about those with actual insurance.

And even still, the high end estimates never came to fruition just like there were never any death panels, just like there was never any socialism, just like there wasn't anyone who spontaneously started speaking Russian. 98% saw no negative changes. The law could have been SO much better if moderate Democrats wouldn't have stripped the public option and a lot of the price controls.
wuzzybear
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Gold Tron said:

Texas and who ever wants to come with us.
We've had this discussion before. Of all states TX could be independent on it's own. The question for me is do we throw away the Constitution or not? This is not going to end well and I still say there is a 50/50 chance of Civil War breaking out. We are too divided and for Biden to read from a prompter about coming together after he wanted to use the Logan act on Flynn as one example plus many more coming from the talking heads in the Deep State and MSM combined with big tech, I'm sorry but civil disobedience is my only choice. I'd rather be dead than live in a left wing radical socialist-inclined country. I will not shut up. I will not voluntarily turn over my weapons nor will my brothers in arms in the community.

However, I am not willing to concede anything yet. I have faith in God and His will shall be done the easy way or the hard way. This is a Shakesperean play in 3 acts.
Act I: On election day state Dems controlled the election process
Act II: Next is the state courts when appeals were adjudicated in state courts
Act III: Now comes federal courts and this is where the R chances grow exponentially. If the Constitution means anything at this point all of the battleground states have R legislatures so the question becomes will they have the kahunas to perform their Constitutional duty which they are bound by to appoint R electors to either declare the outcome for Trump OR to declare basically a hung jury and nobody wins which means nobody gets 270 electoral votes. This is the best avenue even though it is less than a 50/50 chance which means there is still a plausible path.

All legal voters have had their rights violated per the 14th amendment. Once this is determined then we all will have more clarity. Until then I'm not willing to make a decision about anything. It won't change what I do on a day by day basis anyway unless I am forced to take action I cannot agree to. At that point my wife, who has severe asthma, and myself will go to plan D which is to move to the one place we love and that is Adelaide Australia and her health is better there which makes my health better. Old white guys like myself will be chewed up and spit out like tobacco. If we have anything left at all it is our dignity and we are not going to have that taken away.

I will have no choice but to sell my weapons in that case but it will be worth it as Australia is somewhat sheltered from gun violence in the last 10 years. But I know how to build them if I have to. I just need a few raw materials and I'll take care of the rest. The problem would be ammo which I cannot build.
wuzzybear
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BrooksBearLives said:

Okay, there is no universe where the Washington Examiner is a "mainstream source."

Also, I showed you up to date sources and included the methodology for how they found it.

Take the L. You're wrong. Millions didn't lose their healthcare because of Obama. You're not telling the truth if you say they did. You're lying.

On net millions MORE got it. No one denies that. He said that if you liked your doctor you could keep it, however, he was assuming people realized he was taking about those with actual insurance.

And even still, the high end estimates never came to fruition just like there were never any death panels, just like there was never any socialism, just like there wasn't anyone who spontaneously started speaking Russian. 98% saw no negative changes. The law could have been SO much better if moderate Democrats wouldn't have stripped the public option and a lot of the price controls.
I spent the last half of my life as an RN so I can tell you you can have insurance til the cows come home but the quality of REAL healthcare will diminish to the point where you are basically on your own.
quash
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wuzzybear said:


. If we have anything left at all it is our dignity and we are not going to have that taken away.

You sailed that ship.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
 
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