It's been pointed out several times where courts judged the evidence. Those are just a few examples.Oldbear83 said:
My 'pictures' reflect the truth. You have your court victory, celebrate it. Many, many Americans think Biden stole the White House, because no court saw fit to judge according to the evidence, only kicking the can to the next court, until the SCOTUS deflected rather than take up the issues of concern.
Go ahead and chortle. You pay for the celebration later, I expect.
No, what's been 'pointed out' is that the courts, over and over, rejected the cases without evaluating the evidence, rejecting cases on the basis of 'lack of standing'.Sam Lowry said:It's been pointed out several times where courts judged the evidence. Those are just a few examples.Oldbear83 said:
My 'pictures' reflect the truth. You have your court victory, celebrate it. Many, many Americans think Biden stole the White House, because no court saw fit to judge according to the evidence, only kicking the can to the next court, until the SCOTUS deflected rather than take up the issues of concern.
Go ahead and chortle. You pay for the celebration later, I expect.
Ironic that you judge the courts for not evaluating the evidence, even as you refuse to read the cases.Oldbear83 said:No, what's been 'pointed out' is that the courts, over and over, rejected the cases without evaluating the evidence, rejecting cases on the basis of 'lack of standing'.Sam Lowry said:It's been pointed out several times where courts judged the evidence. Those are just a few examples.Oldbear83 said:
My 'pictures' reflect the truth. You have your court victory, celebrate it. Many, many Americans think Biden stole the White House, because no court saw fit to judge according to the evidence, only kicking the can to the next court, until the SCOTUS deflected rather than take up the issues of concern.
Go ahead and chortle. You pay for the celebration later, I expect.
You have your court victory, but at the cost of credibility with many voters.
In this case Sam, the irony, like the spite, is all yours.Sam Lowry said:Ironic that you judge the courts for not evaluating the evidence, even as you refuse to read the cases.Oldbear83 said:No, what's been 'pointed out' is that the courts, over and over, rejected the cases without evaluating the evidence, rejecting cases on the basis of 'lack of standing'.Sam Lowry said:It's been pointed out several times where courts judged the evidence. Those are just a few examples.Oldbear83 said:
My 'pictures' reflect the truth. You have your court victory, celebrate it. Many, many Americans think Biden stole the White House, because no court saw fit to judge according to the evidence, only kicking the can to the next court, until the SCOTUS deflected rather than take up the issues of concern.
Go ahead and chortle. You pay for the celebration later, I expect.
You have your court victory, but at the cost of credibility with many voters.
Seriously though, why not read what they say about the evidence? I even gave you page numbers.Oldbear83 said:In this case Sam, the irony, like the spite, is all yours.Sam Lowry said:Ironic that you judge the courts for not evaluating the evidence, even as you refuse to read the cases.Oldbear83 said:No, what's been 'pointed out' is that the courts, over and over, rejected the cases without evaluating the evidence, rejecting cases on the basis of 'lack of standing'.Sam Lowry said:It's been pointed out several times where courts judged the evidence. Those are just a few examples.Oldbear83 said:
My 'pictures' reflect the truth. You have your court victory, celebrate it. Many, many Americans think Biden stole the White House, because no court saw fit to judge according to the evidence, only kicking the can to the next court, until the SCOTUS deflected rather than take up the issues of concern.
Go ahead and chortle. You pay for the celebration later, I expect.
You have your court victory, but at the cost of credibility with many voters.
What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
It is not mocking Republicans to request that you read the court cases. Evidence has been considered and found lacking. I don't blame Republicans, I blame the lawyers representing the campaign.(Those that are still left; the better ones dropped off.)Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
Well said.quash said:It is not mocking Republicans to request that you read the court cases. Evidence has been considered and found lacking. I don't blame Republicans, I blame the lawyers representing the campaign.(Those that are still left; the better ones dropped off.)Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
I completely reject your assertion of "If the courts had supported Trump..." There is nothing in the Constitution or anywhere else that requires SCOTUS or any other court to support the president. Check the oath of office.
If, however, Trump supporters want to continue their outrage and chaos then it is entirely fair to ask them to first channel their emotions into legit court cases. Courts are where we resolve disputes. Courts are where this dispute has been heard and found lacking.
You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
So what pending case is a fraud case?Oldbear83 said:You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
Did you miss the part where I noted there are four reasons to overturn election results, including two kinds of fraud?quash said:So what pending case is a fraud case?Oldbear83 said:You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
What court refused to hear evidence of fraud (do not include those that ruled on standing; standing is before the introduction of evidence)?
Use 25 types of fraud, I don't care, just show me a pending fraud case.Oldbear83 said:Did you miss the part where I noted there are four reasons to overturn election results, including two kinds of fraud?quash said:So what pending case is a fraud case?Oldbear83 said:You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
What court refused to hear evidence of fraud (do not include those that ruled on standing; standing is before the introduction of evidence)?
So do you mean voter fraud or election fraud, and why are you ignoring the other causes?
quash said:Use 25 types of fraud, I don't care, just show me a pending fraud case.Oldbear83 said:Did you miss the part where I noted there are four reasons to overturn election results, including two kinds of fraud?quash said:So what pending case is a fraud case?Oldbear83 said:You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
What court refused to hear evidence of fraud (do not include those that ruled on standing; standing is before the introduction of evidence)?
So do you mean voter fraud or election fraud, and why are you ignoring the other causes?
Okay drama queen, just move right past the fact that I asked you the question that you avoided about six steps up, or past the fact that I gave you the answer in this the last reply: you asked what type of fraud and I answered "any, dude".Oldbear83 said:quash said:Use 25 types of fraud, I don't care, just show me a pending fraud case.Oldbear83 said:Did you miss the part where I noted there are four reasons to overturn election results, including two kinds of fraud?quash said:So what pending case is a fraud case?Oldbear83 said:You made that assumption because you read about 45% of what I wrote, and looked for ammunition you could use to rebut rather than consider the point.quash said:I make that assumption because you keep saying no court heard evidence of fraud. Sam gave you the cites where that exact thing took place.Oldbear83 said:
Assuming someone has not read the court cases just because they disagree with your opinion of how the matters were decided does not make you qualified to disparage someone.
I have read everything on the web on the cases, from legal blogs to some amusing but absurd theories. One thing I know from direct experience is that judges and justices are people who do not like being seen as having decided the election, and as a result some decisions were poor service, to the country as much as the plaintiff or defendant.
What court refused to hear evidence of fraud (do not include those that ruled on standing; standing is before the introduction of evidence)?
So do you mean voter fraud or election fraud, and why are you ignoring the other causes?
You have made quite clear that you will not answer questions, only deliver demands, so no, I decline to play along.
In any case, the court cases are done, no one is going to change their mind, and the salient question is whether Biden can actually show the leadership needed for the office.
Lead? That's a low bar to get over after Trump. That should be easy, unless leadership is considered as holding incoherent rallies, lying and taking credit where none is due, looking for sound bites, ignoring real issues, like Covid, Russia, China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, economy, aging infrastructure ..... while self aggrandizing and posturing. A yellow dog would excel over what we've had.Oldbear83 said:
All this talk from you, and not a single admission that you are still ducking 80% of the discussion.
I think all you are doing is proving you only listen to the left-wing echo chamber.
Moving on, Biden is not doing much to show he can lead.
It's not going to go well for him, if all he can do is read DNC soundbytes and ignore real issues.
Pretending he does is only enabling the problem.
Maybe. He's not in office yet. He seems to be encouraging a stimulus package from congress, something Trump appears to have sat out on. IDK, we'll see how Biden performs, and I'll give him a chance. I hope R's can stand up to Trump looking down the road to 2024 and nominate a qualified candidate with character.Oldbear83 said:
"Lead? That's a low bar to get over after Trump. That should be easy"
And yet Joe Biden is dismally failing to clear that bar, at least up to now.
You have a poor grasp of reality, son.TexasScientist said:Maybe. He's not in office yet. He seems to be encouraging a stimulus package from congress, something Trump appears to have sat out on. IDK, we'll see how Biden performs, and I'll give him a chance. I hope R's can stand up to Trump looking down the road to 2024 and nominate a qualified candidate with character.Oldbear83 said:
"Lead? That's a low bar to get over after Trump. That should be easy"
And yet Joe Biden is dismally failing to clear that bar, at least up to now.
Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
Thanks pops, but I just can't grasp Q type conspiracy theories as having anything to do with reality.Oldbear83 said:You have a poor grasp of reality, son.TexasScientist said:Maybe. He's not in office yet. He seems to be encouraging a stimulus package from congress, something Trump appears to have sat out on. IDK, we'll see how Biden performs, and I'll give him a chance. I hope R's can stand up to Trump looking down the road to 2024 and nominate a qualified candidate with character.Oldbear83 said:
"Lead? That's a low bar to get over after Trump. That should be easy"
And yet Joe Biden is dismally failing to clear that bar, at least up to now.
And if you pay attention to the stuff P-E Biden has been saying, 'leadership' does not match the tone.
Hmmm. You just revealed all we need to know.Doc Holliday said:And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
He's just following the lead from the Democrats 2016-2020TexasScientist said:Hmmm. You just revealed all we need to know.Doc Holliday said:And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
What's the hold up? Trump has been in control of the DOJ for four years. Barr has been hard at it since he took over. Let's hear what they have found. Crickets??Oldbear83 said:He's just following the lead from the Democrats 2016-2020TexasScientist said:Hmmm. You just revealed all we need to know.Doc Holliday said:And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
Nice try, but your point is not my topic. Biden has already started attacking Republicans, even as he asks for 'unity'.TexasScientist said:What's the hold up? Trump has been in control of the DOJ for four years. Barr has been hard at it since he took over. Let's hear what they have found. Crickets??Oldbear83 said:He's just following the lead from the Democrats 2016-2020TexasScientist said:Hmmm. You just revealed all we need to know.Doc Holliday said:And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
quash said:It is not mocking Republicans to request that you read the court cases. Evidence has been considered and found lacking. I don't blame Republicans, I blame the lawyers representing the campaign.(Those that are still left; the better ones dropped off.)Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
I completely reject your assertion of "If the courts had supported Trump..." There is nothing in the Constitution or anywhere else that requires SCOTUS or any other court to support the president. Check the oath of office.
If, however, Trump supporters want to continue their outrage and chaos then it is entirely fair to ask them to first channel their emotions into legit court cases. Courts are where we resolve disputes. Courts are where this dispute has been heard and found lacking so far.
Again, I'm not a Biden guy, but how has he started attacking R's? Seems to me the opposite is more to the point.Oldbear83 said:Nice try, but your point is not my topic. Biden has already started attacking Republicans, even as he asks for 'unity'.TexasScientist said:What's the hold up? Trump has been in control of the DOJ for four years. Barr has been hard at it since he took over. Let's hear what they have found. Crickets??Oldbear83 said:He's just following the lead from the Democrats 2016-2020TexasScientist said:Hmmm. You just revealed all we need to know.Doc Holliday said:And I'm telling him that he won't get that agreement...quash said:He was agreeing with you...Doc Holliday said:Don't worry, nobody will touch your precious Biden or anyone on the left for that matter.TexasScientist said:Absolutely. Let's look into Hunter Biden, while we continue looking at Trump and his family also. I suspect there is plenty to dig up on both, and both should bear the consequences.Doc Holliday said:Trump got criticized for having 2 scoops of ice cream.TexasScientist said:What you say may be true, but a it is interesting that Trumpists want to hold Biden to a standard and course of conduct that they ignored and excused in Trump. I suspect Biden will conduct himself at a level far above Trump's ability.Oldbear83 said:
What so many people lose in all this, is how the President-elect must handle the aftermath.
If Trump had won the election, he would have the burden of making peace with the Democrats for the good of the nation. In some ways it's good that Trump lost the court cases, because election results aside, his temper is combative and a second term would bring strong conflict with the House and likely cause change he would not like in 2022 and 2024. If the courts had supported Trump and denied the certification, the results would have been explosive.
But Biden is not in a strong position. The plain fact is that a great many people think he stole the election, and he needs to reassure the nation that he is going to work for everyone, not just his party. A good way to do that would be to ask for alternatives to Dominion, since Dominion is a foreign-owned and foreign-managed company. Even if Congress ignored the request, it would be smart of Biden to say he sees the concern and wants to make sure elections are fair and above-board. He already has won the office, now he needs to show he is a real leader.
But mocking Republicans and voters who support Trump is exactly the wrong move. It's only going to cause that same outrage and chaos that he claims Trump is causing.
The election is decided. But not the course of Biden's Presidency.
Trump showed concern about Hunter Biden and got impeached for it...then we find out Hunter Biden was under investigation as far back as 2018.
If you want to treat both Presidents the same, then we need to get to the bottom of Hunter and what looks like Joe's involvement in shady financial dealings.
You have a head start thanks to giant corporations who want your politics.
It's you versus the small business owner. You happen to be on the side of the global wealthy elites.
The last 4 years don't unhappen because you finally got the office.
