Thee University said:
C. Jordan said:
1. I gave you lots of examples of White suppression. I grew up in GA, in the Deep South, in the 1950s and 1960s, and saw it with my own eyes. Blacks had lesser schools, lesser medical care, lesser everything. A society that was tailored to allow Blacks and others to succeed if they tried? This is a complete myth. This NEVER EXISTED.
Just one example. My father worked in a GM factory in Atlanta. Blacks were allowed to work in the factory. As janitors, cooks, porters, etc. None of them were permitted to have high-paying jobs, no matter how smart they were or how hard they worked.
2. So you're saying Africans were responsible for the Middle Passage? Really? Who built the ships? Who manned the ships? Who profited the most? And who killed, maimed, and raped slaves when they arrived in the U.S.? It was all white people.
3. Okay. Good for you. But they're not talking to you or you're not listening to them when they tell about their experiences and history.
Next time you talk to your Black friends, ask them, "What do you think about BLM? Have you ever been pulled over by a cop for no good reason? Have you ever had to have 'the talk' with your son about being super careful when a cop pulls you over." Preface that you want them to be honest and that you won't be judgmental of them. And don't argue with them and "whitesplain" to them that what they feel is illegitimate. If they're honest with you, and you really listen, you'll have an eye-opening experience.
4. Again, this is delusion and myth. I'll give you just one small example. I live near a Cherokee reservation. The Cherokee tried to work with white settlers. They made treaty after treaty with the US government. The US broke every one.
Originally the US allowed them to have land stretching from North Georgia to Western North Carolina. When gold was discovered on Cherokee land in north Georgia, the Cherokee were driven off their land. Eventually, huge numbers of them were deported west.
So please don't give me this easily disprovable mythology that whites gave natives, Blacks, and others opportunities if they worked hard.
I grew up in rural Central & West Texas during the 60's and 70's. I saw a completely different world than you did in Georgia. I contend that since the mid-60's to late 60's the world you described in Atlanta no longer exists and hasn't for years. At least not in Texas. No, it did not change overnight but it is gone. White supremacy is a farce. Its numbers have been grossly inflated by the liberal media so as to dovetail into the current attempt to secure more $$$$ to throw at problems largely created by the supposed downtrodden themselves. People need to get off their lazy @$$#$ and TRY to earn a living and improve their standard of living. There are jobs these lazy people can do but the Dems have them hooked on freebies. Bring back the old Civilian Conservation Corps!
If it does exist it is nobody's fault but the folks that the Democrats keep underfoot. Opportunity is there and if you want to pull yourself up in the 2000's it can most assuredly be done. It does not happen overnight and you might not be able to afford all of the gangsta material things you desire right off the bat but you have to break free of the government teat. If you are waiting for yet another handout, I hope you wait until I am dead and gone before someone caves to the scam and gives in. It sicken me.
This poverty and supposed holding down of blacks affected millions more whites & browns who grew up without fathers, in squalor, around drugs, around gangs, etc. Generational poverty is real and sadly millions don't even try or truly want to break free. They need motivation and mentors, not $$$ thrown at them.
Africans STARTED the Middle Passage and fed the machine. If you desire reparations go talk to the African warlords and kings. Without them there would have been no slavery in America.
Yes, I was a father who raised my 3 kids. They were taught to respect authority and to play by the rules. They heard the Chris Rock Story from me early and often. Not a single family member I ever knew has or was arrested or thrown in jail. We feared the police and rightfully so.
Don't try to tell me about the plight of the American Indian. I know it well. Our government screwed them over more than any group and if anyone ever gets reparations it should be the American Indian.
Once again, this reflects a complete blindness to what's happened historically in America, and how it affects today.
You seem to be arguing two opposing things. That Blacks were discriminated against in the past, but not now, and that they really weren't discriminated against in the past.
What you're arguing is that, yes, Blacks and other groups were discriminated against in the past, but things are peachy for everybody today. But this ignores a couple of important facts. First, the racism of the past affects Blacks to this day. Second, things are still not equal for Blacks.
To the first point, a Black child born at the same time I was is behind where I am today because of the built-in discrimination that existed then. My Dad got a good job in a car factory. His Dad got a job as a janitor or cook. Repeat that different millions of times, and you get the picture.
To the second point, even today, Black people get higher prison sentences, etc., than white people committing the same crimes. For me, a traffic stop is an annoyance. For my Black friends, it's a life or death encounter. They know they can do everything right and still get killed.
You can't blame our slavery problem on the Africans. You seem to want to avoid the murder, maiming, raping, and everything else that slaves endured in the US.