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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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interesting, my doc tells me get or dont get it. Since you have a strong history of not getting the flu, we can discuss the subject again next year.

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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interesting, my doc tells me get or dont get it. Since you have a strong history of not getting the flu, we can discuss the subject again next year.

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see you then

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

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I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

Make sure illegal aliens coming across our border get vaccinated before telling American citizens to get a shot. Only fair.

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Make sure illegal aliens coming across our border get vaccinated before telling American citizens to get a shot. Only fair.

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don't worry, they are all on Ivermectin in mexico

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

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I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

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This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

---

Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

---

Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

---

He's dead. Remember?

---

I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

---

He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

---

I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

---

This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

---

I'm sure the multiple families of dead people within 72 hours of the vac would be happy to share their perspective with you

Those people would still be with their families today.

Sadly they are not.

Such a shame. They felt forced into it and now are dead as a result.

Caveat emptoR

Get with your doctor to make the best decision for yourself. Not Talibiden from Afbidenstan and his henchmen beauraucrat Fauci

Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

---

Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

---

Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

---

He's dead. Remember?

---

I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

---

He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

---

I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

---

This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

---

I'm sure the multiple families of dead people within 72 hours of the vac would be happy to share their perspective with you

Those people would still be with their families today.

Sadly they are not.

Such a shame. They felt forced into it and now are dead as a result.

Caveat emptoR

Get with your doctor to make the best decision for yourself. Not Talibiden from Afbidenstan and his henchmen beauraucrat Fauci

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Debunked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

Sam Lowry said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

---

Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

---

Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

---

He's dead. Remember?

---

I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

---

He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

---

I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

---

This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

---

I'm sure the multiple families of dead people within 72 hours of the vac would be happy to share their perspective with you

Those people would still be with their families today.

Sadly they are not.

Such a shame. They felt forced into it and now are dead as a result.

Caveat emptoR

Get with your doctor to make the best decision for yourself. Not Talibiden from Afbidenstan and his henchmen beauraucrat Fauci

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Debunked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

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Lmao. I can assure you these people are very much dead and in the ground or in an urn within 72 hours of the vax. I personally attended one of the funerals but yeah, debunked

With all due respect, I think your emotions are causing you to mischaracterize my position. I've never said or suggested that COVID requires only homeopathy or anything even remotely similar.

A combination of therapeutics (i.e. pharmaceuticals), such as Ivermectin and z-pack antibiotics, as well as vitamins C, D and zinc have proven effective at treating COVID. My own doctor recommends about 5 different prescriptions for those suffering from COVID. And as I said previously, she's had one patient in 1,200 die.

Again, I am not sure what you believe homeopathy to mean, but these are not alternative medicines. They are mainstream therapeutics and vitamins that can be found at your local pharmacy.

So again, with all due respect, you've either misunderstood my position or are misrepresenting it. I'd suggest taking a break from this board and mourning your friend.

Your link doesn't work.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

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I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

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This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

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I'm sure the multiple families of dead people within 72 hours of the vac would be happy to share their perspective with you

Those people would still be with their families today.

Sadly they are not.

Such a shame. They felt forced into it and now are dead as a result.

Caveat emptoR

Get with your doctor to make the best decision for yourself. Not Talibiden from Afbidenstan and his henchmen beauraucrat Fauci

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Debunked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

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Lmao. I can assure you these people are very much dead and in the ground or in an urn within 72 hours of the vax. I personally attended one of the funerals but yeah, debunked

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No you didn't.

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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You are an idiot. The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

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I haven't repeated any b.s., just the facts. I don't typically read Florda so I can't comment.

I know you're emotional, and very pro jab. I am not anti-jab, but am against the one size fits all approach you desire. And unlike you, I know people personally who have been injured by the vaccine. I am also much more familiar with the vitamins and therapeutics that help with this illness.

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This is the BS you've been repeating. Unlike you, I knew somebody who was injured by not being vaccinated.

Covid requires more than homeopathy

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I'm sure the multiple families of dead people within 72 hours of the vac would be happy to share their perspective with you

Those people would still be with their families today.

Sadly they are not.

Such a shame. They felt forced into it and now are dead as a result.

Caveat emptoR

Get with your doctor to make the best decision for yourself. Not Talibiden from Afbidenstan and his henchmen beauraucrat Fauci

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Debunked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

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China Sam bringing his China/Big Pharma bought propaganda that's destroying our country

Sam is now officially trash

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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You are an idiot. The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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You're changing the subject obviously

COVID vaccine doesn't stop COVID! It's supposed to stop COVID and it stops nothing!

Stfu and address that!

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contrario said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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You are an idiot. The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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You're changing the subject obviously

COVID vaccine doesn't stop COVID! It's supposed to stop COVID and it stops nothing!

Stfu and address that!

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I wasn't changing the subject, just pointing out that the flu shot (as it is commonly called) is a vaccine.

In response to your comment, there is no need to address something that isn't true. No vaccine stops a virus. We can't have an adult conversation if you can't spend 5 minutes to educate yourself on what a vaccine is and what a vaccine isn't. You sound like a fcking moron since you can't take the time to try to have a basic understanding of what a vaccine actually is. Once you have completed that exercise, get back with me and then we can have a conversation.

I get it

You take shots for the fun of it, I guess?

Covid shots don't protect you from COVID says CDC. Also doesn't stop you from spreading COVID once you get it says CDC

They promoted vaccines to do such, but they don't. Do you understand that?

You take the shot anyway. So, who's the idiot exactly?

Get back with me when you comprehend all that simpleness

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I get it

You take shots for the fun of it, I guess?

Covid shots don't protect you from COVID says CDC. Also doesn't stop you from spreading COVID once you get it says CDC

They promoted vaccines to do such, but they don't. Do you understand that?

You take the shot anyway. So, who's the idiot exactly?

Get back with me when you comprehend all that simpleness

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I took the shot because I did research on what a vaccine actually is. You haven't spent 5 minutes to educate yourself, you just follow whatever you read on whatever right-wing conspiracy website you visit.

Look, you were probably told when you were a kid that a vaccine keeps you from getting sick. That's how things are explained to kids. Once you became an adult, you should have done some self-education to figure out what a vaccine actually is. The fact that you are now a 50-60 adult and you still don't know what a vaccine is and how it works is truly amazing. It truly illustrates how dumb you are and it terrifies me that your vote counts the same as mine.

I used to think you were a cinque sock set out to make fun of Republicans by sounding like an idiot. Now I think you actually are just an idiot.

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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Naturally

50% effective ( best case ) and lasts approximately 5-7 months .

Which is why people are encouraged to get the flu shot every year .

Yet the Covid vaccine is 'only' 93% effective and exceptionally controversial.. Now the possibility of a booster dose……....oh the horror .

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Florda_mike said:

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I get it

You take shots for the fun of it, I guess?

Covid shots don't protect you from COVID says CDC. Also doesn't stop you from spreading COVID once you get it says CDC

They promoted vaccines to do such, but they don't. Do you understand that?

You take the shot anyway. So, who's the idiot exactly?

Get back with me when you comprehend all that simpleness

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It truly illustrates how dumb you are and it terrifies me that your vote counts the same as mine.

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this is all I got out of your post..

I had this thought about 81 million times since november.

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Florda_mike said:

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I get it

You take shots for the fun of it, I guess?

Covid shots don't protect you from COVID says CDC. Also doesn't stop you from spreading COVID once you get it says CDC

They promoted vaccines to do such, but they don't. Do you understand that?

You take the shot anyway. So, who's the idiot exactly?

Get back with me when you comprehend all that simpleness

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It truly illustrates how dumb you are and it terrifies me that your vote counts the same as mine.

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this is all I got out of your post..

I had this thought about 81 million times since november.

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I had this thought about 150 million times.

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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That's a load of b.s.

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Florda_mike said:

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I get it

You take shots for the fun of it, I guess?

Covid shots don't protect you from COVID says CDC. Also doesn't stop you from spreading COVID once you get it says CDC

They promoted vaccines to do such, but they don't. Do you understand that?

You take the shot anyway. So, who's the idiot exactly?

Get back with me when you comprehend all that simpleness

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It truly illustrates how dumb you are and it terrifies me that your vote counts the same as mine.

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this is all I got out of your post..

I had this thought about 81 million times since november.

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I had this thought about 150 million times.

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touche

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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Naturally

50% effective ( best case ) and lasts approximately 5-7 months .

Which is why people are encouraged to get the flu shot every year .

Yet the Covid vaccine is 'only' 93% effective and exceptionally controversial.. Now the possibility of a booster dose……....oh the horror .

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Got the flu shot in law school, and within 2 days was sick as a dog with the flu. I haven't taken it since then, nor have I gotten the flu since then. But I have no issue with those who take it. That's their choice.

COVID vaccine is controversial, IMO, because it's a brand new technology untested long term on humans. I think that's why a lot of people want to take a wait-and-see approach to it.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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Naturally

50% effective ( best case ) and lasts approximately 5-7 months .

Which is why people are encouraged to get the flu shot every year .

Yet the Covid vaccine is 'only' 93% effective and exceptionally controversial.. Now the possibility of a booster dose……....oh the horror .

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Got the flu shot in law school, and within 2 days was sick as a dog with the flu. I haven't taken it since then, nor have I gotten the flu since then. But I have no issue with those who take it. That's their choice.

COVID vaccine is controversial, IMO, because it's a brand new technology untested long term on humans. I think that's why a lot of people want to take a wait-and-see approach to it.

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I've already seen enough damage from these fake vaccines to steer me away for now

We need a new batch of vaccines and use Ivermectin and HCQ til then

I fear what happens this winter to the vaccinated when no sunshine lowers D3

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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That's a load of b.s.

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You're too emotional. Maybe you should take a break from posting.
Take more zinc and some St John's Wort with your daily eye of newt

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contrario said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

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The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

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Naturally

50% effective ( best case ) and lasts approximately 5-7 months .

Which is why people are encouraged to get the flu shot every year .

Yet the Covid vaccine is 'only' 93% effective and exceptionally controversial.. Now the possibility of a booster dose……....oh the horror .

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Good post. Those who get the flu shot and then contract the flu have milder cases than those who don't get the shot.

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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That's a load of b.s.

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You're too emotional. Maybe you should take a break from posting.
Take more zinc and some St John's Wort with your daily eye of newt

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I thought you would appreciate me taking a line from your playbook. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50

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My doc tells me that those who receive the flu vaccine (aka flu shot) either don't get the flu or, if they do, get a milder case.
Get the damn shot

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That's a load of b.s.

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You're too emotional. Maybe you should take a break from posting.
Take more zinc and some St John's Wort with your daily eye of newt

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I thought you would appreciate me taking a line from your playbook. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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I'm honored. High praise indeed

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Doctor friend of mine emailed me that these unvaccinated numbers are false. Said he works 2 hospitals. About 30 COVID patients in each. 27-28 were vaccinated in both which is 90-95% that are vaccinated. Israel has surveys showing high percentage in hospitals are vaccinated.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

Why is OP trying to shame those that choose to be safe for now and see how these vaccines work before taking them or not???

Even the CDC says vaccines don't prevent a person from getting COVID nor stops them from transmitting COVID to others!

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https://healthcare.ascension.org/doctors/1356457162/e-farley-verner-waco-tx

Here is the article source. A Waco based MD, University of Texas and Baylor College of Medicine trained, with a specialty in Infectious Disease medicine.

Your local doctor friend that has two jobs; Would you be willing to name the two local hospitals they are referencing with false data? The hospital's data will be publicly available. I'll post it here. Yes?

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Oooo the gauntlet has been thrown!

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No gauntlet

This dude knows my doctor friend could lose his license for telling the truth of hospitalizations

He knows I'd never put my friend like he would

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This is BS. Give the name of the hospitals, not the doctor.

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Canada2017 said:

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contrario said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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Ever notice that those vaccines work? There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

Should never have called the Kung Fru vaccine a vaccine. Had it been called a shot from the beginning, people wouldn't have been skeptical.

---

The flu "shot" is a vaccine.

---

Naturally

50% effective ( best case ) and lasts approximately 5-7 months .

Which is why people are encouraged to get the flu shot every year .

Yet the Covid vaccine is 'only' 93% effective and exceptionally controversial.. Now the possibility of a booster dose……....oh the horror .

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Got the flu shot in law school, and within 2 days was sick as a dog with the flu. I haven't taken it since then, nor have I gotten the flu since then. But I have no issue with those who take it. That's their choice.

COVID vaccine is controversial, IMO, because it's a brand new technology untested long term on humans. I think that's why a lot of people want to take a wait-and-see approach to it.

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Decided at a young age to avoid the flu shot until I turned 60.

Have gotten the flu shot for the last 5 years.

Simply playing the odds.

Same applies to yearly physicals, 5 year colonoscopies , working out, vitamins and making a focused effort to enjoy life.

At this point have absolutely no objection to any legal adult who chooses not to get ANY vaccination .

Steadfastly oppose any coercion that forces people to do so.

I swear, if all of a sudden, people discovered that eating Campbell's chicken noodle soup cured covid, you liberals would be all up in arms over it and demanding that people stop buying it because it's too dangerous and it's only meant for lunch or dinner or to help with the common cold.

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

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No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.

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No it wasn't

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Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.

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I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.

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That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.

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The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?

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I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?

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My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?

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The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.

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Where is coming from? I believe multiple statements here, including the timeline are inaccurate.