Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. %A0It doesn't work. %A0You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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He's making the argument that it's because of hospital bed use. %A0Maybe we'll start regulating the foods people eat so cancer and heart disease don't clog up hospital space. %A0 Furthermore, the other vaccines eliminate infection, basically eradicating it. %A0 That hasn't and most likely won't with COVID. %A0We've never found a vaccine for a coronavirus of any type. %A0 So the considerations and implications are much different, and the parallel doesn't apply. %A0

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We haven't eliminated flu, either, but we've controlled it for the time being. Vaccinations reduce infection and transmission.

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what is the vax rate for flu? And what percent of businesses have in last 50 years required a vax card to prove you got the flu shot before entering?

Vax reduces severity of infection in some people who might have had severe response to Covid19. %A0Vaxed people can still get it and still transmit the virus. Israel is a prime example of this fact. Israel has seen cases climb, reaching an all-time high of 11,316 daily cases on Sept. 2. %A0One tenth of Their current overall pandemic death toll attributed to Covid came from deaths in the last 35 days. %A0This from a country that has been 80% vaxed.

All we can do is learn how to treat it and keep hospitalizations down. Vax is not all the answer.

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We don't need vax cards for seasonal flu. Hopefully we won't need them for Covid in the near future. The vaccines are working just fine in Israel. They're by far the best way to reduce transmission, even if they don't stop it completely.

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you quack like a duck without realizing your a duck..

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You post graphs without realizing what they mean. Almost all cases in Israel are Delta variant, which has an R0 value two to five times that of the original strain. The fact that case counts aren't any higher is a huge success story (the one-day spike at the end of the graph is presumably the result of testing delays over Rosh Hashanah).

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quack quack quack

Do we glaze over the fact a bit over 10%(734) of their total death covid toll happened in last 35 days during the vax spike?

We could talk about the UK if you want, nearly 90% have at least 1 dose and cases on the rise again after the spike peak a few weeks back, deaths however continue to push up without dropping like seen on the case graph

You keep telling yourself the vax is the answer to all our prayers and life could go to normal if people will just vax..

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Ah, at last%85the hard turn over the cliff and into full anti-vax propaganda. Glad you finally committed.

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i didnt commit to anything, i looked at the data and told my observations.

If you are interested in taking the vax, i suggest the Moderna shot. It has the best response to all the variants so far. Data is data. Facts dont care about yoyr feelings. %A0

I am not here to support your ideology or that of those who oppose your opinions. I will hop easily from one side to the other because I dont have a strong commitment to either in most instances.

Kudos to the increased witty responses recently, that Sam I really like..

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It's not that I'm glossing over, it's that you're cherry-picking. Even if 10% percent of deaths were during the recent spike, the fact remains that daily deaths are well under half what they were in January. Even in Israel, and with the Delta variant, the vaccine is still 85-95% effective against severe disease.

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When the boosters comes out, will you continue to get injected for all of these variations?

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I'm not against it, but who knows? I get boosters for other things. It all depends on the data and what my doctor says.

Ghostrider said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I am curious what boosters you get.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. %A0It doesn't work. %A0You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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He's making the argument that it's because of hospital bed use. %A0Maybe we'll start regulating the foods people eat so cancer and heart disease don't clog up hospital space. %A0 Furthermore, the other vaccines eliminate infection, basically eradicating it. %A0 That hasn't and most likely won't with COVID. %A0We've never found a vaccine for a coronavirus of any type. %A0 So the considerations and implications are much different, and the parallel doesn't apply. %A0

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We haven't eliminated flu, either, but we've controlled it for the time being. Vaccinations reduce infection and transmission.

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what is the vax rate for flu? And what percent of businesses have in last 50 years required a vax card to prove you got the flu shot before entering?

Vax reduces severity of infection in some people who might have had severe response to Covid19. %A0Vaxed people can still get it and still transmit the virus. Israel is a prime example of this fact. Israel has seen cases climb, reaching an all-time high of 11,316 daily cases on Sept. 2. %A0One tenth of Their current overall pandemic death toll attributed to Covid came from deaths in the last 35 days. %A0This from a country that has been 80% vaxed.

All we can do is learn how to treat it and keep hospitalizations down. Vax is not all the answer.

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We don't need vax cards for seasonal flu. Hopefully we won't need them for Covid in the near future. The vaccines are working just fine in Israel. They're by far the best way to reduce transmission, even if they don't stop it completely.

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you quack like a duck without realizing your a duck..

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You post graphs without realizing what they mean. Almost all cases in Israel are Delta variant, which has an R0 value two to five times that of the original strain. The fact that case counts aren't any higher is a huge success story (the one-day spike at the end of the graph is presumably the result of testing delays over Rosh Hashanah).

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quack quack quack

Do we glaze over the fact a bit over 10%(734) of their total death covid toll happened in last 35 days during the vax spike?

We could talk about the UK if you want, nearly 90% have at least 1 dose and cases on the rise again after the spike peak a few weeks back, deaths however continue to push up without dropping like seen on the case graph

You keep telling yourself the vax is the answer to all our prayers and life could go to normal if people will just vax..

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Ah, at last%85the hard turn over the cliff and into full anti-vax propaganda. Glad you finally committed.

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i didnt commit to anything, i looked at the data and told my observations.

If you are interested in taking the vax, i suggest the Moderna shot. It has the best response to all the variants so far. Data is data. Facts dont care about yoyr feelings. %A0

I am not here to support your ideology or that of those who oppose your opinions. I will hop easily from one side to the other because I dont have a strong commitment to either in most instances.

Kudos to the increased witty responses recently, that Sam I really like..

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It's not that I'm glossing over, it's that you're cherry-picking. Even if 10% percent of deaths were during the recent spike, the fact remains that daily deaths are well under half what they were in January. Even in Israel, and with the Delta variant, the vaccine is still 85-95% effective against severe disease.

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When the boosters comes out, will you continue to get injected for all of these variations?

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I'm not against it, but who knows? I get boosters for other things. It all depends on the data and what my doctor says.

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Wait, you listen to someone who went to school 10+ years and does this for the job over googling websites and watching youtube videos?

Ghostrider said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. %A0It doesn't work. %A0You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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He's making the argument that it's because of hospital bed use. %A0Maybe we'll start regulating the foods people eat so cancer and heart disease don't clog up hospital space. %A0 Furthermore, the other vaccines eliminate infection, basically eradicating it. %A0 That hasn't and most likely won't with COVID. %A0We've never found a vaccine for a coronavirus of any type. %A0 So the considerations and implications are much different, and the parallel doesn't apply. %A0

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We haven't eliminated flu, either, but we've controlled it for the time being. Vaccinations reduce infection and transmission.

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what is the vax rate for flu? And what percent of businesses have in last 50 years required a vax card to prove you got the flu shot before entering?

Vax reduces severity of infection in some people who might have had severe response to Covid19. %A0Vaxed people can still get it and still transmit the virus. Israel is a prime example of this fact. Israel has seen cases climb, reaching an all-time high of 11,316 daily cases on Sept. 2. %A0One tenth of Their current overall pandemic death toll attributed to Covid came from deaths in the last 35 days. %A0This from a country that has been 80% vaxed.

All we can do is learn how to treat it and keep hospitalizations down. Vax is not all the answer.

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We don't need vax cards for seasonal flu. Hopefully we won't need them for Covid in the near future. The vaccines are working just fine in Israel. They're by far the best way to reduce transmission, even if they don't stop it completely.

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you quack like a duck without realizing your a duck..

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You post graphs without realizing what they mean. Almost all cases in Israel are Delta variant, which has an R0 value two to five times that of the original strain. The fact that case counts aren't any higher is a huge success story (the one-day spike at the end of the graph is presumably the result of testing delays over Rosh Hashanah).

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quack quack quack

Do we glaze over the fact a bit over 10%(734) of their total death covid toll happened in last 35 days during the vax spike?

We could talk about the UK if you want, nearly 90% have at least 1 dose and cases on the rise again after the spike peak a few weeks back, deaths however continue to push up without dropping like seen on the case graph

You keep telling yourself the vax is the answer to all our prayers and life could go to normal if people will just vax..

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Ah, at last%85the hard turn over the cliff and into full anti-vax propaganda. Glad you finally committed.

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i didnt commit to anything, i looked at the data and told my observations.

If you are interested in taking the vax, i suggest the Moderna shot. It has the best response to all the variants so far. Data is data. Facts dont care about yoyr feelings. %A0

I am not here to support your ideology or that of those who oppose your opinions. I will hop easily from one side to the other because I dont have a strong commitment to either in most instances.

Kudos to the increased witty responses recently, that Sam I really like..

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It's not that I'm glossing over, it's that you're cherry-picking. Even if 10% percent of deaths were during the recent spike, the fact remains that daily deaths are well under half what they were in January. Even in Israel, and with the Delta variant, the vaccine is still 85-95% effective against severe disease.

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When the boosters comes out, will you continue to get injected for all of these variations?

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I'm not against it, but who knows? I get boosters for other things. It all depends on the data and what my doctor says.

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Wait, you listen to someone who went to school 10+ years and does this for the job over googling websites and watching youtube videos?

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Ghostrider said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. %A0It doesn't work. %A0You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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He's making the argument that it's because of hospital bed use. %A0Maybe we'll start regulating the foods people eat so cancer and heart disease don't clog up hospital space. %A0 Furthermore, the other vaccines eliminate infection, basically eradicating it. %A0 That hasn't and most likely won't with COVID. %A0We've never found a vaccine for a coronavirus of any type. %A0 So the considerations and implications are much different, and the parallel doesn't apply. %A0

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We haven't eliminated flu, either, but we've controlled it for the time being. Vaccinations reduce infection and transmission.

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what is the vax rate for flu? And what percent of businesses have in last 50 years required a vax card to prove you got the flu shot before entering?

Vax reduces severity of infection in some people who might have had severe response to Covid19. %A0Vaxed people can still get it and still transmit the virus. Israel is a prime example of this fact. Israel has seen cases climb, reaching an all-time high of 11,316 daily cases on Sept. 2. %A0One tenth of Their current overall pandemic death toll attributed to Covid came from deaths in the last 35 days. %A0This from a country that has been 80% vaxed.

All we can do is learn how to treat it and keep hospitalizations down. Vax is not all the answer.

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We don't need vax cards for seasonal flu. Hopefully we won't need them for Covid in the near future. The vaccines are working just fine in Israel. They're by far the best way to reduce transmission, even if they don't stop it completely.

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you quack like a duck without realizing your a duck..

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You post graphs without realizing what they mean. Almost all cases in Israel are Delta variant, which has an R0 value two to five times that of the original strain. The fact that case counts aren't any higher is a huge success story (the one-day spike at the end of the graph is presumably the result of testing delays over Rosh Hashanah).

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quack quack quack

Do we glaze over the fact a bit over 10%(734) of their total death covid toll happened in last 35 days during the vax spike?

We could talk about the UK if you want, nearly 90% have at least 1 dose and cases on the rise again after the spike peak a few weeks back, deaths however continue to push up without dropping like seen on the case graph

You keep telling yourself the vax is the answer to all our prayers and life could go to normal if people will just vax..

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Ah, at last%85the hard turn over the cliff and into full anti-vax propaganda. Glad you finally committed.

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i didnt commit to anything, i looked at the data and told my observations.

If you are interested in taking the vax, i suggest the Moderna shot. It has the best response to all the variants so far. Data is data. Facts dont care about yoyr feelings. %A0

I am not here to support your ideology or that of those who oppose your opinions. I will hop easily from one side to the other because I dont have a strong commitment to either in most instances.

Kudos to the increased witty responses recently, that Sam I really like..

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It's not that I'm glossing over, it's that you're cherry-picking. Even if 10% percent of deaths were during the recent spike, the fact remains that daily deaths are well under half what they were in January. Even in Israel, and with the Delta variant, the vaccine is still 85-95% effective against severe disease.

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When the boosters comes out, will you continue to get injected for all of these variations?

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I'm not against it, but who knows? I get boosters for other things. It all depends on the data and what my doctor says.

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Wait, you listen to someone who went to school 10+ years and does this for the job over googling websites and watching youtube videos?

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Tough choice!

Some of us who are hesitant to get a vaccine with zero long-term data aren't being cautious merely because we've googled websites and watched youtube videos, but because we are also listening to someone who went to school ten plus years and are familiar with the data.

And just FYI, I've found most medical doctors are pretty clueless (not to mention conflicted) when it comes to vaccine data and injuries. It is rare to find the doctor who has studied up on these issues, and when you do, ironically it is those doctors that are typically likewise more cautious. Most are all too happy to buy the pharmaceutical companies' line and the fringe benefits that come along with it.

When our son got the MMR vaccine which caused his injury, we knew he had a compromised immune system and bad allergies. I will never forget my wife calling me after meeting with our pediatrician to discuss whether we should hold off getting the vaccine until he was a little older and we had healed his body. She was in tears because the pediatrician basically told her she was an idiot and that our son had to get the vaccine. We assumed this guy knows what best, since he's been in school 10+ years and has practiced medicine for close to 30.

I wish we had listened to our gut instead of a flippant pediatrician. It would have prevented a lot of pain, heartache and expense.

Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

A growing number of publications are recommending annual influenza vaccination of healthy children and adults. However, the long-term consequences of repeated influenza vaccination are unknown.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870374/

Mothra said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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A growing number of publications are recommending annual influenza vaccination of healthy children and adults. However, the long-term consequences of repeated influenza vaccination are unknown.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870374/

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Thanks, that is definitely something to think about as far as implications for immunity later in life.

clubhi said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

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it is literally called the flu vaccine

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Did you just use literally figuratively? It is called the Flu Shot and you know it.

It is okay to fold. There is no shame in not playing every hand until the river.

GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

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it is literally called the flu vaccine

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Did you just use literally figuratively? It is called the Flu Shot and you know it.

It is okay to fold. There is no shame in not playing every hand until the river.

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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm

GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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ATL Bear said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. It doesn't work. You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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There is a reason the "flu shot" is called the "flu shot" and not the "flu vaccine."

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it is literally called the flu vaccine

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Did you just use literally figuratively? It is called the Flu Shot and you know it.

It is okay to fold. There is no shame in not playing every hand until the river.

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Influenza (flu) vaccines (often called "flu shots") are vaccines that protect against the four influenza viruses that research indicates most common during the upcoming season. Most flu vaccines are "flu shots" given with a needle, usually in the arm, but there also is also a nasal spray flu vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm

Mothra said:

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Some of us who are hesitant to get a vaccine with zero long-term data aren't being cautious merely because we've googled websites and watched youtube videos, but because we are also listening to someone who went to school ten plus years and are familiar with the data.

And just FYI, I've found most medical doctors are pretty clueless (not to mention conflicted) when it comes to vaccine data and injuries. It is rare to find the doctor who has studied up on these issues, and when you do, ironically it is those doctors that are typically likewise more cautious. Most are all too happy to buy the pharmaceutical companies' line and the fringe benefits that come along with it.

When our son got the MMR vaccine which caused his injury, we knew he had a compromised immune system and bad allergies. I will never forget my wife calling me after meeting with our pediatrician to discuss whether we should hold off getting the vaccine until he was a little older and we had healed his body. She was in tears because the pediatrician basically told her she was an idiot and that our son had to get the vaccine. We assumed this guy knows what best, since he's been in school 10+ years and has practiced medicine for close to 30.

I wish we had listened to our gut instead of a flippant pediatrician. It would have prevented a lot of pain, heartache and expense.

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I'm so sorry for your son and your family's experience. That's incredibly difficult.

FWIW, some people in my family (including my daughter) have had fairly rare and difficult to diagnose chronic conditions. Most doctors just aren't equipped to deal with anything outside two standard deviations. They try to put you into a standard box real quick and prescribe some drugs, and in doing so they can leave you suffering for years or (as in your case) do much worse damage. Many people who just blindly trust doctors are clueless because they haven't been in those situations. You have to be your own advocate. You are primarily responsible for your own health. The doctor is just a consultant - a very knowledgeable one, but at the end of the day the doctor isn't standing in your shoes and doesn't know your history and your body the way you do. They can be wrong and often are.

Robert Wilson said:

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Mothra said:

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Some of us who are hesitant to get a vaccine with zero long-term data aren't being cautious merely because we've googled websites and watched youtube videos, but because we are also listening to someone who went to school ten plus years and are familiar with the data.

And just FYI, I've found most medical doctors are pretty clueless (not to mention conflicted) when it comes to vaccine data and injuries. It is rare to find the doctor who has studied up on these issues, and when you do, ironically it is those doctors that are typically likewise more cautious. Most are all too happy to buy the pharmaceutical companies' line and the fringe benefits that come along with it.

When our son got the MMR vaccine which caused his injury, we knew he had a compromised immune system and bad allergies. I will never forget my wife calling me after meeting with our pediatrician to discuss whether we should hold off getting the vaccine until he was a little older and we had healed his body. She was in tears because the pediatrician basically told her she was an idiot and that our son had to get the vaccine. We assumed this guy knows what best, since he's been in school 10+ years and has practiced medicine for close to 30.

I wish we had listened to our gut instead of a flippant pediatrician. It would have prevented a lot of pain, heartache and expense.

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I'm so sorry for your son and your family's experience. That's incredibly difficult.

FWIW, some people in my family (including my daughter) have had fairly rare and difficult to diagnose chronic conditions. Most doctors just aren't equipped to deal with anything outside two standard deviations. They try to put you into a standard box real quick and prescribe some drugs, and in doing so they can leave you suffering for years or (as in your case) do much worse damage. Many people who just blindly trust doctors are clueless because they haven't been in those situations. You have to be your own advocate. You are primarily responsible for your own health. The doctor is just a consultant - a very knowledgeable one, but at the end of the day the doctor isn't standing in your shoes and doesn't know your history and your body the way you do. They can be wrong and often are.

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Thanks, and you are spot on regarding most doctors. Medical school provides very limited training on many of these issues. And of course, anyone who's had any experience with more than one doctor will find each has their own unique opinions and experiences.

Indeed, you are primarily responsible for your own health. My wife and I learned that the hard way.

Robert Wilson said:

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Mothra said:

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Some of us who are hesitant to get a vaccine with zero long-term data aren't being cautious merely because we've googled websites and watched youtube videos, but because we are also listening to someone who went to school ten plus years and are familiar with the data.

And just FYI, I've found most medical doctors are pretty clueless (not to mention conflicted) when it comes to vaccine data and injuries. It is rare to find the doctor who has studied up on these issues, and when you do, ironically it is those doctors that are typically likewise more cautious. Most are all too happy to buy the pharmaceutical companies' line and the fringe benefits that come along with it.

When our son got the MMR vaccine which caused his injury, we knew he had a compromised immune system and bad allergies. I will never forget my wife calling me after meeting with our pediatrician to discuss whether we should hold off getting the vaccine until he was a little older and we had healed his body. She was in tears because the pediatrician basically told her she was an idiot and that our son had to get the vaccine. We assumed this guy knows what best, since he's been in school 10+ years and has practiced medicine for close to 30.

I wish we had listened to our gut instead of a flippant pediatrician. It would have prevented a lot of pain, heartache and expense.

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I'm so sorry for your son and your family's experience. That's incredibly difficult.

FWIW, some people in my family (including my daughter) have had fairly rare and difficult to diagnose chronic conditions. Most doctors just aren't equipped to deal with anything outside two standard deviations. They try to put you into a standard box real quick and prescribe some drugs, and in doing so they can leave you suffering for years or (as in your case) do much worse damage. Many people who just blindly trust doctors are clueless because they haven't been in those situations. You have to be your own advocate. You are primarily responsible for your own health. The doctor is just a consultant - a very knowledgeable one, but at the end of the day the doctor isn't standing in your shoes and doesn't know your history and your body the way you do. They can be wrong and often are.

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I hear this all the time but also hear people complain that a doctor wants to send you to a specialist for everything.

clubhi said:

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Mothra said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety, I think it's definitely a good idea for you to get jabbed as much as humanly possible, and perhaps more so.

Mothra said:

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clubhi said:

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Mothra said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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contrario said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety

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coming from the guy that would rather risk killing his whole family than grow a 3rd arm in 10 years as a side effect

clubhi said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mothra said:

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Some of us who are hesitant to get a vaccine with zero long-term data aren't being cautious merely because we've googled websites and watched youtube videos, but because we are also listening to someone who went to school ten plus years and are familiar with the data.

And just FYI, I've found most medical doctors are pretty clueless (not to mention conflicted) when it comes to vaccine data and injuries. It is rare to find the doctor who has studied up on these issues, and when you do, ironically it is those doctors that are typically likewise more cautious. Most are all too happy to buy the pharmaceutical companies' line and the fringe benefits that come along with it.

When our son got the MMR vaccine which caused his injury, we knew he had a compromised immune system and bad allergies. I will never forget my wife calling me after meeting with our pediatrician to discuss whether we should hold off getting the vaccine until he was a little older and we had healed his body. She was in tears because the pediatrician basically told her she was an idiot and that our son had to get the vaccine. We assumed this guy knows what best, since he's been in school 10+ years and has practiced medicine for close to 30.

I wish we had listened to our gut instead of a flippant pediatrician. It would have prevented a lot of pain, heartache and expense.

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I'm so sorry for your son and your family's experience. That's incredibly difficult.

FWIW, some people in my family (including my daughter) have had fairly rare and difficult to diagnose chronic conditions. Most doctors just aren't equipped to deal with anything outside two standard deviations. They try to put you into a standard box real quick and prescribe some drugs, and in doing so they can leave you suffering for years or (as in your case) do much worse damage. Many people who just blindly trust doctors are clueless because they haven't been in those situations. You have to be your own advocate. You are primarily responsible for your own health. The doctor is just a consultant - a very knowledgeable one, but at the end of the day the doctor isn't standing in your shoes and doesn't know your history and your body the way you do. They can be wrong and often are.

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I hear this all the time but also hear people complain that a doctor wants to send you to a specialist for everything.

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I'll take the specialist, and most of them are just pretty average. Give me the obsessed specialist who has a great deal of intellectual curiosity about his/her field and wants to chase down every possible angle. Give me the major nerd at the big research hospital who lives at the facility. I've gone through several specialists who all missed before the 6th one who led his practice at one of the nation's top 5 hospitals finally got it after 3 years of suffering.

I'm not saying I don't respect doctors. But I am saying that the average doctor is ... pretty average. If you've just got something down the middle of the fairway, that's fine. But we are all unique, and you'd better watch out for yourself and your family.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety

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coming from the guy that would rather risk killing his whole family than grow a 3rd arm in 10 years as a side effect

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Guess I should have added hysterical and melodramatic as well.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Your logic extended to every other type of disease and health condition would result in a state of medical tyranny. %A0It doesn't work. %A0You're connecting disjointed dots.

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you might want to read up on the other stuff we have vaccinated for

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He's making the argument that it's because of hospital bed use. %A0Maybe we'll start regulating the foods people eat so cancer and heart disease don't clog up hospital space. %A0 Furthermore, the other vaccines eliminate infection, basically eradicating it. %A0 That hasn't and most likely won't with COVID. %A0We've never found a vaccine for a coronavirus of any type. %A0 So the considerations and implications are much different, and the parallel doesn't apply. %A0

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We haven't eliminated flu, either, but we've controlled it for the time being. Vaccinations reduce infection and transmission.

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what is the vax rate for flu? And what percent of businesses have in last 50 years required a vax card to prove you got the flu shot before entering?

Vax reduces severity of infection in some people who might have had severe response to Covid19. %A0Vaxed people can still get it and still transmit the virus. Israel is a prime example of this fact. Israel has seen cases climb, reaching an all-time high of 11,316 daily cases on Sept. 2. %A0One tenth of Their current overall pandemic death toll attributed to Covid came from deaths in the last 35 days. %A0This from a country that has been 80% vaxed.

All we can do is learn how to treat it and keep hospitalizations down. Vax is not all the answer.

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We don't need vax cards for seasonal flu. Hopefully we won't need them for Covid in the near future. The vaccines are working just fine in Israel. They're by far the best way to reduce transmission, even if they don't stop it completely.

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you quack like a duck without realizing your a duck..

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You post graphs without realizing what they mean. Almost all cases in Israel are Delta variant, which has an R0 value two to five times that of the original strain. The fact that case counts aren't any higher is a huge success story (the one-day spike at the end of the graph is presumably the result of testing delays over Rosh Hashanah).

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quack quack quack

Do we glaze over the fact a bit over 10%(734) of their total death covid toll happened in last 35 days during the vax spike?

We could talk about the UK if you want, nearly 90% have at least 1 dose and cases on the rise again after the spike peak a few weeks back, deaths however continue to push up without dropping like seen on the case graph

You keep telling yourself the vax is the answer to all our prayers and life could go to normal if people will just vax..

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Ah, at last%85the hard turn over the cliff and into full anti-vax propaganda. Glad you finally committed.

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i didnt commit to anything, i looked at the data and told my observations.

If you are interested in taking the vax, i suggest the Moderna shot. It has the best response to all the variants so far. Data is data. Facts dont care about yoyr feelings. %A0

I am not here to support your ideology or that of those who oppose your opinions. I will hop easily from one side to the other because I dont have a strong commitment to either in most instances.

Kudos to the increased witty responses recently, that Sam I really like..

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It's not that I'm glossing over, it's that you're cherry-picking. Even if 10% percent of deaths were during the recent spike, the fact remains that daily deaths are well under half what they were in January. Even in Israel, and with the Delta variant, the vaccine is still 85-95% effective against severe disease.

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When the boosters comes out, will you continue to get injected for all of these variations?

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I'm not against it, but who knows? I get boosters for other things. It all depends on the data and what my doctor says.

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Wait, you listen to someone who went to school 10+ years and does this for the job over googling websites and watching youtube videos?

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funny, that is the exact same stance I have which i have repeatedly stated yet I am an "Antivaxer"

All based on a few Chit chat posts on an internet forum that has less traffic than the intersection of valley mills and waco drive.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety

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coming from the guy that would rather risk killing his whole family than grow a 3rd arm in 10 years as a side effect

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Guess I should have added hysterical and melodramatic as well.

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lmao, says the guy telling everyone vaccines are going to give you brain damage. mentally ill. get vaccinated moron

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety

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coming from the guy that would rather risk killing his whole family than grow a 3rd arm in 10 years as a side effect

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Guess I should have added hysterical and melodramatic as well.

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lmao, says the guy telling everyone vaccines are going to give you brain damage. mentally ill. get vaccinated moron

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You're hysterical. I've never said anything of the sort.

I think your emotions are getting the better of you. Perhaps you should take a time out from the Internet today. You seem to be more easily triggered than usual, which is saying something.

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

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Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

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Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

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Yeah, they deserve to die

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No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

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Higher than you think. I can't tell you how many families I've run into on this 14-year journey who have similar stories or worse.

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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wow

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It's not even a tough call. I would take the .0001% chance my son had a serious case of measles, mumps or rubella over life-altering permanent and debilitating brain damage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Yeah, I too wish I lived in a world where everyone else got the vaccine so I didn't have to.

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Given your fear and anxiety

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coming from the guy that would rather risk killing his whole family than grow a 3rd arm in 10 years as a side effect

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Guess I should have added hysterical and melodramatic as well.

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lmao, says the guy telling everyone vaccines are going to give you brain damage. mentally ill. get vaccinated moron

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You seem to be more easily triggered than usual

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Isn't PTSD more a symptom of your Gulf War syndrome that you got from the anthrax vaccine?

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

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You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

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I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

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And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

But good news for you is that Biden is mandating vaccines, so you'll be happy about that.

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

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Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Freedomb3ar said:

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I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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Lmao

Let's start with all the people that been doing this for generations:

1) smokers
2) lazy, fat, out of shape, not exercising
3) aids
4) consumers of massive amounts of alcohol
5) consumers of sugar, processed foods, fast food
6) type 2 diabetes
7) illegal aliens in emergency rooms

Any and all the above are preventable

These people by their choices have skyrocketed the costs of medical expenses for far too long and I can't even count the number of times a healthy friend or family member has dealt with a slower response Or a tired doctor or nurse for necessary healthcare because one of those people was occupying a bed or a doctor

The arguments by the vaxtremists get weaker by the day. Do you even begin to understand the costs of all our healthcare and risk of taking up hospital space by those choices?

It's time those people get their own insurance and hospitals so those that make responsible choices get the access they are paying for

---

Yeah, they deserve to die

---

No. They can get the vax. They are in most need. Why should a healthy person jump in front of them or people of other less fortunate nations anyway? Healthy people ar dying

If they have the vax, why is anyone so concerned they will die? Because you guys talk about how dangerous the vaccine is

---

You don't really believe this ****

---

Statistically, it's indisputable by any scientific measure that it's dangerous relative to the risk for almost everyone.

Do you have a question? Don't really believe what?

---

Tell that to Mothra. What are the odds of a complication with the MMR?

---

I would have preferred my son get measles, mumps or rubella, believe me.

---

I would have preferred my friend get the Covid vaccine

---

And that's the great thing about the freedoms we have in this country. To each his own. I am not going to get angry at your friend because of his choices.

---

Get angry. He doesn't care anymore

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Why? There's no reason to. It serves no purpose.

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He's dead. Remember?

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I am not sure if you have a point, but ok.

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He wouldn't get vaccinated because he believed the Florda BS, the arguments you are repeating

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I am curious what boosters you get.

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DPT and flu.

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DPT booster is every ten years. How often are you getting that?

Flu vaccine is a coin flip as far as effectiveness.

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Every ten years.

Flu vaccine varies, but it's better than 50/50. Probably effective about 2/3 of the time on average, IIRC.

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Even the cdc admits it's not close to 50/50