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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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They still vote in November.

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Then the GOP has a chance

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The left has a 100% pull of dead voters. My grandfather voted for Republicans his whole life until he died. Straight ticket dem ever since.

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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They still can. Have you not read the law?

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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The vaccine is a choice. I haven't seen anyone strapped to the table and injected yet.

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But apparently some politicians are promising just that. I believe Canon was about to tell us who they are.

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Sound logic there. As long as they're not strapping you to a table and forcibly injecting you, it's a choice!

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Are you also against the state of Texas telling women they can't harm their babies after the first trimester?

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The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

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No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? %A0That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.

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No it wasn't

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Actually, it was. %A0We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. %A0That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. %A0The vaxxed are not being endangered.

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I was never told that. %A0I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case. %A0

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That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. %A0It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. %A0They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. %A0It should not be a mandate.

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The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. %A0The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?

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I don't believe any of that should be mandated. %A0But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. %A0Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?

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My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. %A0I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. %A0Why is this one so different?

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Lots of people will say because they got pushed through so fast and only had EUA "emergency use authorization" from the FDA rather than full FDA approval.

Partly, it's social media. Anyone has a bad reaction to a vaccine, everyone hears about it on twitter, even though it's statistically not very risky.

Reality is it is also partially political. Biden and Harris made crappy comments about the vaccines when Trump was president and was helping push them through. Now that they're in charge, they're appalled that anyone is reacting negatively to them. They're laying in the bed they made for themselves, to an extent.

Some people just really don't like getting shots. Some people don't like the hassle. Lots of people had covid and realized it didn't make them very sick (me, but I got vaxed anyway so I wouldn't have to hear about it).

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Some very intelligent people want more than 7-8 months worth of longitudinal data on a vaccine they put into their bodies. That's a very reasonable position if one isn't in immediate danger, statistically.

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Yup. %A0It has nothing to do with social media or some irrational fear.

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That could be true, but you'd never know it from reading this board or talking to the anti-vaxxers I've talked to. 99+ percent of the arguments are based on social media misinformation and fear, with little room for change based on facts. It doesn't seem that would be the case if it were just normal hesitancy as opposed to ideology.

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I appreciate the personal anecdote.%A0 I would respectfully submit having read your posts over the years, there's a lot you don't get.

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian. I keep forgetting that freedom only applies to you and not to businesses.

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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Doctor friend of mine emailed me that these unvaccinated numbers are false. Said he works 2 hospitals. About 30 COVID patients in each. 27-28 were vaccinated in both which is 90-95% that are vaccinated. Israel has surveys showing high percentage in hospitals are vaccinated.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

Why is OP trying to shame those that choose to be safe for now and see how these vaccines work before taking them or not???

Even the CDC says vaccines don't prevent a person from getting COVID nor stops them from transmitting COVID to others!

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https://healthcare.ascension.org/doctors/1356457162/e-farley-verner-waco-tx

Here is the article source. A Waco based MD, University of Texas and Baylor College of Medicine trained, with a specialty in Infectious Disease medicine.

Your local doctor friend that has two jobs; Would you be willing to name the two local hospitals they are referencing with false data? The hospital's data will be publicly available. I'll post it here. Yes?

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Oooo the gauntlet has been thrown!

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No gauntlet

This dude knows my doctor friend could lose his license for telling the truth of hospitalizations

He knows I'd never put my friend like he would

The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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Doctor friend of mine emailed me that these unvaccinated numbers are false. Said he works 2 hospitals. About 30 COVID patients in each. 27-28 were vaccinated in both which is 90-95% that are vaccinated. Israel has surveys showing high percentage in hospitals are vaccinated.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/08/08/israel-hospital-vaccinated.html

Why is OP trying to shame those that choose to be safe for now and see how these vaccines work before taking them or not???

Even the CDC says vaccines don't prevent a person from getting COVID nor stops them from transmitting COVID to others!

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https://healthcare.ascension.org/doctors/1356457162/e-farley-verner-waco-tx

Here is the article source. A Waco based MD, University of Texas and Baylor College of Medicine trained, with a specialty in Infectious Disease medicine.

Your local doctor friend that has two jobs; Would you be willing to name the two local hospitals they are referencing with false data? The hospital's data will be publicly available. I'll post it here. Yes?

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Oooo the gauntlet has been thrown!

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No gauntlet

This dude knows my doctor friend could lose his license for telling the truth of hospitalizations

He knows I'd never put my friend like he would

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drinking early? me too

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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You lose arguments when you advocate murdering babies. Leviticus has nothing to do with it.

Btw: where in Leviticus is a reference to my post?

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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You lose arguments when you advocate murdering babies. Leviticus has nothing to do with it.

Btw: where in Leviticus is a reference to my post?

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Babies have a high survival rate from COVID so I wouldn't really call it murder for refusing a vaccine at this point

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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You lose arguments when you advocate murdering babies. Leviticus has nothing to do with it.

Btw: where in Leviticus is a reference to my post?

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Babies have a high survival rate from COVID so I wouldn't really call it murder for refusing a vaccine at this point

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Do at least try and be clever.

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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You lose arguments when you advocate murdering babies. Leviticus has nothing to do with it.

Btw: where in Leviticus is a reference to my post?

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Babies have a high survival rate from COVID so I wouldn't really call it murder for refusing a vaccine at this point

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Do at least try and be clever.

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sorry I can't match your 2014 cuckold meme

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian.

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Well look at that - finally something we agree on! Only a bad libertarian would call state restrictions on shopping, working and traveling "choice." In fact, I am not sure one would call that libertarian at all.

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian.

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Well look at that - finally something we agree on! Only a bad libertarian would call state restrictions on shopping, working and traveling "choice." In fact, I am not sure one would call that libertarian at all.

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What state restrictions?

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian.

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Well look at that - finally something we agree on! Only a bad libertarian would call state restrictions on shopping, working and traveling "choice." In fact, I am not sure one would call that libertarian at all.

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What state restrictions?

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https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccine-eligibility.page

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-08-13/more-us-cities-requiring-proof-of-vaccination-to-go-places

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/more-states-and-cities-require-workers-to-get-covid-19-vaccines.aspx

https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_policies_about_vaccine_requirements_(vaccine_passports)

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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Almost any medical procedure on the planet has severe reactions or side effects for small percentages of the population. Do you advocate against surgeries that have a comparably much higher chance of serious reactions like blood clots?

Also why I am not advocating for 2 year olds to receive the vaccine. Don't let your experience with your son turn you into someone that cause the death of an adult with fear based messaging.

As unfair as it was, your son sounds like he was the 1 in a million case. I'm sorry that happened to you. But just because one person is struck by lightening doesn't mean everyone on earth will be.

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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Murder babies somewhere else, you shriveled old hag. Your attempts to engage in bloody sacrifice of logic are not nearly as pleasing to your goat headed lord as the shredded bodies of innocent children.

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lmao. you know you are losing an argument when you have to start referencing Leviticus

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You lose arguments when you advocate murdering babies. Leviticus has nothing to do with it.

Btw: where in Leviticus is a reference to my post?

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Babies have a high survival rate from COVID so I wouldn't really call it murder for refusing a vaccine at this point

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Do at least try and be clever.

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sorry I can't match your 2014 cuckold meme

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True. Now, tell me more about Leviticus and how it relates to my post.

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Mothra said:

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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Almost any medical procedure on the planet has severe reactions or side effects for small percentages of the population. Do you advocate against surgeries that have a comparably much higher chance of serious reactions like blood clots?

Also why I am not advocating for 2 year olds to receive the vaccine. Don't let your experience with your son turn you into someone that cause the death of an adult with fear based messaging.

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So don't let the million dollars I've spent on my son's treatment and care and permanent brain damage resulting from a vaccine which we have to live for the rest of our lives make us cautious on a vaccine for a disease that kills a tiny percentage of people with comorbidities and has no long term data. That's your advice?

Wow. You're right. I am convinced. We should ignore our experience and get jabbed ad infinitum.

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BearTruth13 said:

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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Almost any medical procedure on the planet has severe reactions or side effects for small percentages of the population. Do you advocate against surgeries that have a comparably much higher chance of serious reactions like blood clots?

Also why I am not advocating for 2 year olds to receive the vaccine. Don't let your experience with your son turn you into someone that cause the death of an adult with fear based messaging.

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So don't let the million dollars I've spent on my son's treatment and care and permanent brain damage resulting from a vaccine which we have to live for the rest of our lives make us cautious on a vaccine for a disease that kills a tiny percentage of people with comorbidities and has no long term data. That's your advice?

Wow. You're right. I am convinced. We should ignore our experience and get jabbed ad infinitum.

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You are letting a very personal anecdotal experience with your son make you view the situation wholly through an emotional lens. Very fair and I get that as I have 3 young kids (2 of which have serious health issues). You said you advocated your older parents and relatives get the vaccine. Did any of them, or anyone else you know, experience encephalitis within a week of vaccination?

BearTruth13 said:

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Mothra said:

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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Almost any medical procedure on the planet has severe reactions or side effects for small percentages of the population. Do you advocate against surgeries that have a comparably much higher chance of serious reactions like blood clots?

Also why I am not advocating for 2 year olds to receive the vaccine. Don't let your experience with your son turn you into someone that cause the death of an adult with fear based messaging.

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So don't let the million dollars I've spent on my son's treatment and care and permanent brain damage resulting from a vaccine which we have to live for the rest of our lives make us cautious on a vaccine for a disease that kills a tiny percentage of people with comorbidities and has no long term data. That's your advice?

Wow. You're right. I am convinced. We should ignore our experience and get jabbed ad infinitum.

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You are letting a very personal anecdotal experience with your son make you view the situation wholly through an emotional lens. Very fair and I get that as I have 3 young kids (2 of which have serious health issues). You said you advocated your older parents and relatives get the vaccine. Did any of them, or anyone else you know, experience encephalitis within a week of vaccination?

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No. He's taking a real life experience he's living with to tell you to leave free people alone to make their own choices. Stop being a petty tyrant, telling others what they should do.

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Stop being a petty tyrant

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Exactly what a petty tyrant would say

Mothra said:

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BylrFan said:

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian.

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Well look at that - finally something we agree on! Only a bad libertarian would call state restrictions on shopping, working and traveling "choice." In fact, I am not sure one would call that libertarian at all.

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What state restrictions?

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https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccine-eligibility.page

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-08-13/more-us-cities-requiring-proof-of-vaccination-to-go-places

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/more-states-and-cities-require-workers-to-get-covid-19-vaccines.aspx

https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_policies_about_vaccine_requirements_(vaccine_passports)

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So you've got four of the most liberal states with vaccine passports, and the rest have either banned them or done nothing. And even in passport states the restrictions are narrowly tailored -- you can go basically wherever you want unless it's a gym, restaurant, or some form of entertainment. This explains why none of my anti-vax friends are starving like y'all keep saying.

Mothra said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Mothra said:

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The anti vaxxers are pretty funny.

I bet most just are afraid of needles.

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I am happy for you to donate to my son's care and living expenses the next 65 plus years. I'll shoot you my address and the place to send the check.

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Happy to donate to your son for his issues unaffiliated with the COVID vaccine.

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MMR vaccine, my friend. Received it around the age of 2, and went into the hospital with encephalisits for four days. Came out with permanent brain damage, and will live with us the rest of his life (until we die).

At least in my case, I can assure you it's not funny, nor does it have anything to do with a fear of needles. It has to do with a child injured severely by a vaccine and zero long term data on side effects.

Might consider that next time when you're tempted to give a flippant response.

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Almost any medical procedure on the planet has severe reactions or side effects for small percentages of the population. Do you advocate against surgeries that have a comparably much higher chance of serious reactions like blood clots?

Also why I am not advocating for 2 year olds to receive the vaccine. Don't let your experience with your son turn you into someone that cause the death of an adult with fear based messaging.

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So don't let the million dollars I've spent on my son's treatment and care and permanent brain damage resulting from a vaccine which we have to live for the rest of our lives make us cautious on a vaccine for a disease that kills a tiny percentage of people with comorbidities and has no long term data. That's your advice?

Wow. You're right. I am convinced. We should ignore our experience and get jabbed ad infinitum.

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The only thing less likely than a short-term reaction is a long-term reaction. They're practically unheard of outside of live vaccines, and even with the acellular anthrax vaccine the connection is doubtful.

I'm all for freedom, but as soon as you exercising your freedom impacts me, that's when I have issue. One big example that we can all relate to:

We require seatbelts in cars for many reasons. If enough people die in car accidents because they aren't wearing seatbelts, it increases insurance costs for everyone. That means even though I'm a responsible driver and wear my seatbelt (and drive safely and other things as well), I get punished because some person doesn't want to spent 3 seconds to put on their seatbelt. In addition to financial costs, if people don't wear seatbelts, they are more likely to suffer a serious injury. Which means they are taking up hospital beds that they otherwise wouldn't take up if they just wore a seatbelt. For these reasons, and others, we have made it a law that everyone must wear a seatbelt. Please note, a seatbelt does not guarantee survival in a car crash, but it does reduce the likelihood of a fatality and it does reduce the likelihood of a major injury.

So to bring this home for some of you that can't connect the dots, you exercising your freedom by not getting vaccinated is impacting me. If you get covid, you are more likely to be hospitalized which means you could be taking up a bed that me or one of my loved ones may need if one of us is hospitalized for many reasons that people are hospitalized. In addition, there is an impact on healthcare costs because of the number of people that are being hospitalized from Covid. And while the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get Covid or be hospitalized, it does reduce the likelihood of that happening. The unvaccinated also risk spreading the virus to people that are in high-risk groups. And even people in these high-risk groups that have been vaccinated are still at risk if they do contract the virus. Yes, the likelihood of major complications is lower with the vaccine, but there is still a chance.

So again, I'm all for exercising freedom, but don't interfere with my life when I'm trying to do everything the right way. I hate to be callous, but your life isn't worth much to me if you are taking a reckless stance, mostly for political reasons, which could impact me or my loved ones. I'm ok with you taking this stance if you are ok with using a separate health insurance plan that won't impact my premiums and going to a separate hospital that won't take a hospital bed away from me or my loved ones if you need to be hospitalized because of your careless choices.

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BylrFan said:

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

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No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.

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No it wasn't

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Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.

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I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.

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That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.

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The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?

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I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?

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My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?

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If you are a conservative who favors individual liberty and limited govt., there shouldn't be much to think about.

I am not sure what abortion has to do with this.

There are people who cannot handle vaccines and whose body doesn't react well to them. My son is one of them. Vaccines can and do injure people. Most vaccines are not approved until 7 years after they are tested on human subjects. That's because we typically like to take a long look at side effects. We don't have that data here. For that reason, the less vulnerable may want to take a wait and see approach.

The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.

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Abortion is the government making requirements on your body for the safety of others...which is why I DO think that sometimes the government has that power.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Canon said:

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BylrFan said:

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The free will of the deceased is certainly gone.

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Freedom, true freedom, allows one to make his own personal choices for his own life, regardless of the outcome to himself. A free man owns both his success and his failures. A free man gets to make his own risk calculations.

The vaccine should be a choice. The risk calculation should be up to the individual. I have family members with Covid now who should have taken the vaccine, given the statistical risks from their age and health status. I respect their choice not to do so, even if I disagreed. That is what freedom requires.

The left is obsessed with removing personal choice (and responsibility) at all costs.

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I predict great success in your crusade to make vaccines optional. Especially since they're, you know, optional.

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Yes, optional if you want to eat, shop, ride public transit and hold a job in places around the country. Totally optional!

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I'm a bad libertarian.

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Well look at that - finally something we agree on! Only a bad libertarian would call state restrictions on shopping, working and traveling "choice." In fact, I am not sure one would call that libertarian at all.

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What state restrictions?

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https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccine-eligibility.page

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccines-keytonyc.page

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-08-13/more-us-cities-requiring-proof-of-vaccination-to-go-places

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/more-states-and-cities-require-workers-to-get-covid-19-vaccines.aspx

https://ballotpedia.org/State_government_policies_about_vaccine_requirements_(vaccine_passports)

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So you've got four of the most liberal states with vaccine passports, and the rest have either banned them or done nothing. And even in passport states the restrictions are narrowly tailored -- you can go basically wherever you want unless it's a gym, restaurant, or some form of entertainment. This explains why none of my anti-vax friends are starving like y'all keep saying.

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LOL. When you lose the argument, try to change the subject. Classic Sam Lowry.

Before you try to move us on to the next topic, just to be clear, I take it you no longer dispute that there are state restrictions then, correct? Or does Canon still need to provide you with a list of politicians?

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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Like the state of Texas has done to women who want a first trimester abortion and anyone who could help them decide if that's the right option medically and in any other way.

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False. They have six weeks and already made the choice to get pregnant.

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https://wacotrib.com/news/local/labor-day-weekend-sees-15-new-covid-19-deaths-854-cases-in-mclennan-county/article_b367f1f8-102e-11ec-9dbf-57f70babe713.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

15 McLennan County residents died of COVID-19 since last Friday

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QUICK! Let's take away their free will!

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The problem is that their ignorance and stupidity are endangering other people.

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No, if you're vaxxed you have nothing to fear, remember? That's the whole point of the vax.

The irony.

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No it wasn't

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Actually, it was. We were told get vaxxed so you don't die. That being the case, no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread. The vaxxed are not being endangered.

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I was never told that. I was informed that if I got vaxxed and contracted the disease, it would not be fatal and would be a lighter case.

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That's a different way of saying the same thing I just said - we were told get vaxxed so you don't have a fatal case. It's the reason I encouraged my older in laws and dad to get the vaccine. They are more vulnerable.

We agree on the rest. It should not be a mandate.

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The mandate is a difficult and slippery slope. The fundamental question is "Is there a time when the government can and should mandate behavior for the greater good."

The answer is yes and we already do...for arguments sake...why is this vaccine different that mandating legal alcohol content, abortion, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle...etc?

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I don't believe any of that should be mandated. But requiring a medical procedure is decidedly different than any of the examples you used. Arguing that because the govt. mandates some things it can or should mandate others does not a good argument make.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say you AREN'T for mandates?

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My first response to a mandate is no...but then I have to back up and think about it. I'm against abortion. I have been vaccinated by every vaccination that is offered and, quite honestly, I don't understand why people react so differently to this one.

I mean, there are very few unvaccinated people for other diseases. Why is this one so different?

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If you are a conservative who favors individual liberty and limited govt., there shouldn't be much to think about.

I am not sure what abortion has to do with this.

There are people who cannot handle vaccines and whose body doesn't react well to them. My son is one of them. Vaccines can and do injure people. Most vaccines are not approved until 7 years after they are tested on human subjects. That's because we typically like to take a long look at side effects. We don't have that data here. For that reason, the less vulnerable may want to take a wait and see approach.

The military mandates the anthrax vaccine on all servicemembers back during the Gulf War. About ten years later, many of these servicemembers started showing severe neurological and other issues that were caused by the vaccine. It's called Gulf War Syndrome. Point is, we don't yet know if this vaccine will have long term side effects.

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Abortion is the government making requirements on your body for the safety of others...which is why I DO think that sometimes the government has that power.

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I think that is an enormous leap in logic and an apples to bowling balls comparison. Among the many differences, abortion will always end the life of someone else. The child is not a part of the woman's body. It simply resides there.