Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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Once again, trying to end democracy and install a dictator is insurrection. It's an attempt to overthrow a government.

Our government is wholly dependent upon the people of these United States, so when someone or 1,000 someone's try to overthrow that, it's an insurrection.

If you will simply read what is posted, you will see I've defined insurrection, given numerous examples of its ocvurence, but maybe not in every single post.

Maybe an oversight of mine, but reading sure solves problems.

You also seem to ge going with your own definition of insurrection, is it made up by you?

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Again, there was no overthrow of the government, or an actual attempt of it, not even close. Playing with definitions to fit a narrative does not an insurrection make, and just because you want to paint the orange red doesn't make it an apple.

News flash for you. Throwing eggs at your local mayor's house or office is NOT AN INSURRECTION! Interrupting a vote counting ceremony is NOT AN INSURRECTION! Especially when it's a bunch of random disorganized yahoos who were shoed away before you even required any real effort to remove the trouble. That does not constitute an uprising.

What dictator was being installed and how was it happening from a disruption of the electoral count? Counting votes is irrelevant to dictators. That's what makes them dictators. The mob was mad their guy lost and believed that the election was fraudulently taken from him. Which means, ironically, they were fighting for democracy whether you believe their case or not. A protest doesn't become an insurrection just because it gets unruly, and Donald J Trump didn't need anyone of the citizens that entered the Capitol building to subvert the election, or to conduct an insurrection or try to install himself as dictator.

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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Rawhide said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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Once again, trying to end democracy and install a dictator is insurrection. It's an attempt to overthrow a government.

Our government is wholly dependent upon the people of these United States, so when someone or 1,000 someone's try to overthrow that, it's an insurrection.

If you will simply read what is posted, you will see I've defined insurrection, given numerous examples of its ocvurence, but maybe not in every single post.

Maybe an oversight of mine, but reading sure solves problems.

You also seem to ge going with your own definition of insurrection, is it made up by you?

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Again, there was no overthrow of the government, or an actual attempt of it, not even close. Playing with definitions to fit a narrative does not an insurrection make, and just because you want to paint the orange red doesn't make it an apple.

News flash for you. Throwing eggs at your local mayor's house or office is NOT AN INSURRECTION! Interrupting a vote counting ceremony is NOT AN INSURRECTION! Especially when it's a bunch of random disorganized yahoos who were shoed away before you even required any real effort to remove the trouble. That does not constitute an uprising.

What dictator was being installed and how was it happening from a disruption of the electoral count? Counting votes is irrelevant to dictators. That's what makes them dictators. The mob was mad their guy lost and believed that the election was fraudulently taken from him. Which means, ironically, they were fighting for democracy whether you believe their case or not. A protest doesn't become an insurrection just because it gets unruly, and Donald J Trump didn't need anyone of the citizens that entered the Capitol building to subvert the election, or to conduct an insurrection or try to install himself as dictator.

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I'll add that the Bernie bro who actually tried to kill Republicans practicing for a softball game came closer to insurrection than the trespassers taking selfies with cops at the Capitol

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Porteroso said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Porteroso said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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But when the Democrats did this, did you have a problem with it?

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I was angry at the so-called antifascist riots. Except my first instinct wasn't to prove their point by running out and acting like a fascist.

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Well I hope so. I was just making a joke. Apparently you can't tell a sicem365 Republican he did something wrong unless a Democrat first did it and you testified on CSPAN that you thought it was wrong.

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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If it was an insurrection, they'd be charged appropriately.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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If it was an insurrection, they'd be charged appropriately.

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Don't be too surprised if they are. Prosecutors are still developing the more complicated aspects of the cases.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

---

Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

---

You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

---

Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

---

Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

---

You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

---

Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

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Yeah, levying war against the United States, and Egypt by the way, with foreign organizations in support will do that. But thanks for the chime in!

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

---

It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

---

Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

---

You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

---

Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

---

If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

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Yeah, levying war against the United States, and Egypt by the way, with foreign organizations in support will do that. But thanks for the chime in!

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So now foreign support is the key, and never mind that you can't overthrow a government from a few square feet in NYC. Thanks for the ever evolving definition.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

---

It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

---

Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

---

You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

---

Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

---

If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

---

Yeah, levying war against the United States, and Egypt by the way, with foreign organizations in support will do that. But thanks for the chime in!

---

So now foreign support is the key, and never mind that you can't overthrow a government from a few square feet in NYC. Thanks for the ever evolving definition.

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No, you're just too obtuse to understand there is literally zero parallel to the events of January 6th and the WTC bombing of 1993. ZERO!

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Florda_mike said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Porteroso said:

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fadskier said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

Quote:

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

---

It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

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Yeah, levying war against the United States, and Egypt by the way, with foreign organizations in support will do that. But thanks for the chime in!

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So now foreign support is the key, and never mind that you can't overthrow a government from a few square feet in NYC. Thanks for the ever evolving definition.

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No, you're just too obtuse to understand there is literally zero parallel to the events of January 6th and the WTC bombing of 1993. ZERO!

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Zero ...... except they were BOTH false flags!

Until I allowed myself to be open to this I thought people who believed false flags regularly occurred were crazies. WTC 7 coming down as obvious CONTROLLED DEMOLITION sold me that the Twin Towers falling mostly all in their footprints was suspicious at least. After seeing more evidence there was waaaaaay too many anomalies 9-11

But ...... Sic em, it's Game Day!

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Denying is defending. I'm just stating what happened. You're either unaware or choosing to ignore it.

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Although a number of courts had already dismissed fraud allegations, many in the pro-Trump online world became fascinated with two lawyers with close ties to the president - Sidney Powell and L Lin Wood.

Ms Powell, 65, a conservative activist and former federal prosecutor, told Fox News that the effort would "release the Kraken" - a reference to a gigantic sea monster from Scandinavian folklore that rises up from the ocean to devour its enemies.

The "Kraken" quickly became an internet meme, representing sprawling, unsubstantiated claims of widespread election fraud.

Ms Powell and Mr Wood became heroes to followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory - who believe President Trump and a secret military intelligence team are battling a deep state made up of Satan-worshipping paedophiles in the Democratic Party, media, business and Hollywood.

The lawyers became a conduit between the president and his most conspiracy-minded supporters - a number of whom ended up inside the Capitol on 6 January.

On online platforms, supporters were becoming resigned to the view that all legal avenues were dead ends, and only direct action could save the Trump presidency.

Since election day, alongside Mr Flynn, Ms Powell and Mr Wood, a new figure had rapidly gained prominence among pro-Trump circles online.

Ron Watkins is the son of Jim Watkins, the man behind 8chan and 8kun - message boards filled with extreme language and views, violence and extreme sexual content. They gave rise to the QAnon movement.

In a series of viral tweets on 17 December, Ron Watkins suggested President Trump should follow the example of Roman leader Julius Caesar, and capitalise on "fierce loyalty of the military" in order to "restore the Republic".

Ron Watkins encouraged his more than 500,000 followers to make #CrossTheRubicon a Twitter trend, referring to the moment when Caesar launched a civil war by crossing the Rubicon river in 49BC. The hashtag was also used by more mainstream figures - including the chairwoman of Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward.

In a separate tweet, Ron Watkins said Mr Trump must invoke the Insurrection Act, which empowers the president to deploy the military and federal forces.

Mr Trump met Ms Powell, Mr Flynn and others at a strategy meeting at the White House the following day, 18 December.

During the meeting, according to the New York Times, Mr Flynn called on Mr Trump to impose martial law and deploy the military to "rerun" the election.

The meeting further stoked online chatter about "war" and "revolution" in far-right circles. Many came to see the joint session of Congress on 6 January, normally a formality, as a last roll of the dice.

A wishful story began to take hold among QAnon and some MAGA supporters. They hoped that Vice-President Mike Pence, who was set to preside over the 6 January ceremony, would ignore the electoral college votes.

The president, they said, would then deploy the military to quell any unrest, order the mass arrest of the "deep state cabal" who had rigged the election and send them to Guantanamo Bay military prison.

Back in the land of reality, none of this was remotely feasible. But it launched a movement for "patriot caravans" to organise ride shares to help transport thousands from around the country to Washington DC on 6 January.

Long processions of vehicles flying Trump flags and sometimes towing elaborately decorated trailers gathered in car parks in cities including Louisville, Kentucky, Atlanta, Georgia, and Scranton, Pennsylvania.

"We are on our way," one caravaner posted on Twitter with a picture of about two dozen supporters.

At an Ikea parking lot in North Carolina, another man showed off his truck. "The flags are a little tattered - we'll call them battle flags now," he said.

As it became clear that Mr Pence and other key Republicans would follow the law and allow Congress to certify Mr Biden's win, the language towards them became vicious.

"Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason," Mr Wood tweeted. "He will face execution by firing squad."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55592332

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This proves that there were a few people who spouted off...so what? Dems called for violence all summer...

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It proves some went to the Capitol intending to break in and intimidate Congress into installing a dictator. Some wanted to murder several people there. Setting the building afire was discussed. Having the military keep Trump in power. Can't really get any more insurrectiony than that.

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Actually you can get more insurrectionary than that. You know, by arming yourself, taking the Capitol by force and actually capturing or killing members of congress. I would say that's more insurrectionary.

Some boobs talking about something, not so much insurrectionary.

Like I said, the idiot who actually tried to murder Republican members of Congress while practicing baseball, comes closer to insurrection than some idiots that took selfies with cops at the Capitol building.

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You realize 56% of Americans think it was an insurrection, and 72% a riot, but it's trespassing to you? And killing members of Congress was discussed. They never got ahold of any, and didn't accomplish squat, so it was a failed insurrection.

Surely you don't think insurrections have to be successful to be insurrection? And once again, insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. It doesn't have to be successful, or violent.

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Well, they have to actually be insurrections in the first place regardless of outcome. This projection of "could have beens" on this riot has taken on such a life of its own it would be humorous if not for the effort to use this as a political weapon.

The government isn't a singular election nor the Presidency. Furthermore, Trump didn't need people interfering with the electoral process on his behalf. He had the means and access to the leaders necessary to pull off each fantastical scenario projected upon the mayhem at the Capitol. Don't confuse disruptions with insurrections.

Treason, sedition, and insurrection happen with the folks holding the power and or means to overthrow a government, not Capitol Shaman and the dozens of Trump supporters angry their guy lost. And just so we're clear, BLM, ANTIFA and the other madness isn't insurrection. While the "CHAZ/CHOP" incident had some of the trappings, the reality is that no one's government is getting overthrown from a few square blocks in Portland, Oregon. And neither was it happening with the interruption of the electoral vote count.

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If that were true, none of the WTC bombers would have been convicted of sedition for trying to take down a couple of buildings in New York, New York.

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Yeah, levying war against the United States, and Egypt by the way, with foreign organizations in support will do that. But thanks for the chime in!

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So now foreign support is the key, and never mind that you can't overthrow a government from a few square feet in NYC. Thanks for the ever evolving definition.

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No, you're just too obtuse to understand there is literally zero parallel to the events of January 6th and the WTC bombing of 1993. ZERO!

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People who become radicalized are often triggered by negative life events or exposure to propaganda, according to a RAND report. The research aims to identify why and how individuals joined extremist groups, as well as how some of them left these groups. https://t.co/HL9BlaGko3

— RAND Congressional (@RAND_OCR) October 13, 2021

More selectively edited video released today.

Less than a minute.

That’s it?

This is what the fuss is over?

pic.twitter.com/4PF5TWvmGy

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) October 18, 2021

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Stacey Abrams questioning the outcome of her Georgia Governor race.

Literally shaking right now.....this is a threat to our very democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stacey Abrams: "I come from a state where I was not entitled to become the governor, but as an American citizen and a citizen of Georgia, I'm going to fight for every person who has the right to vote to be able to cast that vote." pic.twitter.com/jHDnasBBkR

— The Hill (@thehill) October 18, 2021

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I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. No one should expect to get the whole truth of the event from 1-2 minutes of video.

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99% of what transpired on J6 looks like that video.

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Doc Holliday said:

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I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. No one should expect to get the whole truth of the event from 1-2 minutes of video.

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99% of what transpired on J6 looks like that video.

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. No one should expect to get the whole truth of the event from 1-2 minutes of video.

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99% of what transpired on J6 looks like that video.

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That's the exact same spin the media put on the "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests.

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Words vs. actions...alot of people spout stuff but very few act on it. These people ended up breaking in and taking pictures.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. No one should expect to get the whole truth of the event from 1-2 minutes of video.

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99% of what transpired on J6 looks like that video.

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That's the exact same spin the media put on the "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests.

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What do you believe?

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