Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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I'm assuming you read the paper you cited?
1. It is the worse kind of papers because they looked at one data set (mobile phone tracking, web searches) and then made an extrapolation based on their assumptions.
2. The data used was from mid-April 2020.

I will give you credit for not reading the summary vs. actually thinking this would be compelling to anyone with a brain.

I noted in my first post that there is a continuum of how people think about the vaccines from an efficacy perspective. However, that does not impact the irrationality of someone who is vaccinated thinking they need to be protected from the unvaccinated.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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At some point you'll read the articles and studies you post. Good grief man…

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I did. Shall we hear how you misread this one?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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I'm assuming you read the paper you cited?
1. It is the worse kind of papers because they looked at one data set (mobile phone tracking, web searches) and then made an extrapolation based on their assumptions.
2. The data used was from mid-April 2020.

I will give you credit for not reading the summary vs. actually thinking this would be compelling to anyone with a brain.

I noted in my first post that there is a continuum of how people think about the vaccines from an efficacy perspective. However, that does not impact the irrationality of someone who is vaccinated thinking they need to be protected from the unvaccinated.

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They used cell phone data to track contacts, which is common practice. Employment numbers were based on a variety of data, including business payrolls. Congratulations on reading three whole paragraphs, BTW.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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At some point you'll read the articles and studies you post. Good grief man…

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I did. Shall we hear how you misread this one?

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Don't want to embarrass you again. Reread what the poster said and what you posted as a retort article. You're lost Sam. You really are.

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This from the guy who doesn't know raw numbers from risk percentages.

Doc Holliday said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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He's willing to overlook and ignore his failed logic because the worldview that 'unvaxxed people are crazy right wingers hurting everyone' is political capitol he intends to use.

If the vax are protected but they need the unvaxxed to get protected in order to be protected, then the vax weren't protected to begin with.

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All those minority right wing nuts. Crazy how Trump converted them all

As a vaccinated person, why should I give a **** if someone else is vaxed or not? So much stupid on this board

4th and Inches said:

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Union for AA pilots are warning a strike may come..

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Yeah. This is only just begun

Amtrak next up as well

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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Do the millions who beat covid and have antibodies need the vaccine?

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no. Studies have shown it can boost immune system a bit more..

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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I'm assuming you read the paper you cited?
1. It is the worse kind of papers because they looked at one data set (mobile phone tracking, web searches) and then made an extrapolation based on their assumptions.
2. The data used was from mid-April 2020.

I will give you credit for not reading the summary vs. actually thinking this would be compelling to anyone with a brain.

I noted in my first post that there is a continuum of how people think about the vaccines from an efficacy perspective. However, that does not impact the irrationality of someone who is vaccinated thinking they need to be protected from the unvaccinated.

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They used cell phone data to track contacts, which is common practice. Employment numbers were based on a variety of data, including business payrolls. Congratulations on reading three whole paragraphs, BTW.

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I read the part where the study was based on data through mid-April 2020. I could try to explain the concept of lagging indicators to you, but I think at this point you've become too invested in the answer to consider any questions.

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Obviously it was based on early 2020 because that's when most of the reaction that triggered the economic downturn happened. If you have evidence that it was caused by government orders, feel free to post. If you don't have evidence and just want to post whatever you think sounds good, feel free to do that too. It's an open forum.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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At some point you'll read the articles and studies you post. Good grief man…

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I did. Shall we hear how you misread this one?

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Don't want to embarrass you again. Reread what the poster said and what you posted as a retort article. You're lost Sam. You really are.

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This from the guy who doesn't know raw numbers from risk percentages.

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From the guy who doesn't even understand what he just typed.

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SMH

4th and Inches said:

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Union for AA pilots are warning a strike may come..

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Yep, it is in the works. I would suspect other airlines and truckers will join in on "sick leave" too.

With the supply chain already strained, this will create a FUBAR for Christmas purchases. Joe and Dems will own ALL of the Christmas debacle if he keeps the vaccine mandates in place.

Let's go, Brandon!

midgett said:

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br53 said:

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Rawhide said:

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br53 said:

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Why are we blaming Southwest for the mandate? Pretty sure Biden made the mandate and since Southwest has over 100 employees and contracts with the government the mandate was not Southwests choice it was from the government. Or am I missing something?

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I think you're missing that people are angry that Southwest isn't fighting back against these BS mandates.

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So as a business owner I should fight back and lose my government contracts and money when I just spent the 9 of last 18 months with no business and also tell those that I have contracts with to screw off? Did I also mention that government that made the mandates floated me and all the other airlines a nice chunk of change to keep us in business during the pandemic? They can't tell the government to piss off because the government keeps saving the airlines butt every time there is an issue. Y'all need to understand that you may have Southwest stock but the government controls them and every other airline.

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Government drives you out of business (with economic shutdown).

Government then props you up during the economic shutdown.

Now you owe the government (for that they caused).

And now you lose your deeply personal medical freedom to the government.

Sounds like another good scam by the govvies.

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Great story, except in real life it was Covid that shut down the economy. And may well do so again if the virus stans have their way.

Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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Paper says "suggests". You state it as fact.

Then this: "They then looked at COVID-19 deaths and estimated changes in employment at the county level, relying a range of nontraditional data, including from mobile devices, web searches, and business payrolls."

I don't know but I guess rather than taking all that time and money to produce a study that suggests and estimates results, I'd glanced at the GDP data. The biggest decline for the US in 70+ years. I would have seen most countries had a negative growth rate and many had a double digit drop. "Well, hmmm, what could have caused this? Surely not businesses being told to close and to have restrictions to return." Often, you need a dang academic study to know what is obvious. Some things are pretty simple.

midgett said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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Paper says "suggests". You state it as fact.

Then this: "They then looked at COVID-19 deaths and estimated changes in employment at the county level, relying a range of nontraditional data, including from mobile devices, web searches, and business payrolls."

I don't know but I guess rather than taking all that time and money to produce a study that suggests and estimates results, I'd glanced at the GDP data. The biggest decline for the US in 70+ years. I would have seen most countries had a negative growth rate and many had a double digit drop. "Well, hmmm, what could have caused this? Surely not businesses being told to close and to have restrictions to return." Often, you need a dang academic study to know what is obvious. Some things are pretty simple.

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Their point with regard to nontraditional data is that it helps them link specific causes and effects with more precision. They're not claiming any radical discoveries that contradict other data.

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4th and Inches said:

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Union for AA pilots are warning a strike may come..

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Yep, it is in the works. I would suspect other airlines and truckers will join in on "sick leave" too.

With the supply chain already strained, this will create a FUBAR for Christmas purchases. Joe and Dems will own ALL of the Christmas debacle if he keeps the vaccine mandates in place.

Let's go, Brandon!

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Yep. He's going to end screwing up Christmas for everyone, but people like humck will try to blame trump

Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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midgett said:

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br53 said:

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Rawhide said:

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br53 said:

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Why are we blaming Southwest for the mandate? Pretty sure Biden made the mandate and since Southwest has over 100 employees and contracts with the government the mandate was not Southwests choice it was from the government. Or am I missing something?

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I think you're missing that people are angry that Southwest isn't fighting back against these BS mandates.

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So as a business owner I should fight back and lose my government contracts and money when I just spent the 9 of last 18 months with no business and also tell those that I have contracts with to screw off? Did I also mention that government that made the mandates floated me and all the other airlines a nice chunk of change to keep us in business during the pandemic? They can't tell the government to piss off because the government keeps saving the airlines butt every time there is an issue. Y'all need to understand that you may have Southwest stock but the government controls them and every other airline.

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Government drives you out of business (with economic shutdown).

Government then props you up during the economic shutdown.

Now you owe the government (for that they caused).

And now you lose your deeply personal medical freedom to the government.

Sounds like another good scam by the govvies.

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Great story, except in real life it was Covid that shut down the economy. And may well do so again if the virus stans have their way.

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Cool story, but it was actuallly the gov't response to covid that shut down the economy

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Based on what evidence?

Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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midgett said:

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br53 said:

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Rawhide said:

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br53 said:

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Why are we blaming Southwest for the mandate? Pretty sure Biden made the mandate and since Southwest has over 100 employees and contracts with the government the mandate was not Southwests choice it was from the government. Or am I missing something?

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I think you're missing that people are angry that Southwest isn't fighting back against these BS mandates.

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So as a business owner I should fight back and lose my government contracts and money when I just spent the 9 of last 18 months with no business and also tell those that I have contracts with to screw off? Did I also mention that government that made the mandates floated me and all the other airlines a nice chunk of change to keep us in business during the pandemic? They can't tell the government to piss off because the government keeps saving the airlines butt every time there is an issue. Y'all need to understand that you may have Southwest stock but the government controls them and every other airline.

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Government drives you out of business (with economic shutdown).

Government then props you up during the economic shutdown.

Now you owe the government (for that they caused).

And now you lose your deeply personal medical freedom to the government.

Sounds like another good scam by the govvies.

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Great story, except in real life it was Covid that shut down the economy. And may well do so again if the virus stans have their way.

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Too many contradictions Sam .

Working Americans have to be vaccinated or lose their jobs....for most that means losing their only means of support. In reality a cynical piece of manipulation .

Because hundreds of thousands of illegals can enter the country and DON' T have to be vaccinated.

Students have to be vaccinated....but NOT teachers ?
Army troops have to be vaccinated but NOT postal workers ?

Can you say UNIONS ?

Doesn't pass the smell test.....none of it does .

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They won't even have to be vaccinated to keep their jobs. Weekly testing is enough. It's a lot of outrage over nothing.

If not vaccines, masks, or testing, what policy is acceptable? Can employers even send workers home if they're sick?

Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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midgett said:

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br53 said:

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Rawhide said:

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br53 said:

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Why are we blaming Southwest for the mandate? Pretty sure Biden made the mandate and since Southwest has over 100 employees and contracts with the government the mandate was not Southwests choice it was from the government. Or am I missing something?

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I think you're missing that people are angry that Southwest isn't fighting back against these BS mandates.

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So as a business owner I should fight back and lose my government contracts and money when I just spent the 9 of last 18 months with no business and also tell those that I have contracts with to screw off? Did I also mention that government that made the mandates floated me and all the other airlines a nice chunk of change to keep us in business during the pandemic? They can't tell the government to piss off because the government keeps saving the airlines butt every time there is an issue. Y'all need to understand that you may have Southwest stock but the government controls them and every other airline.

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Government drives you out of business (with economic shutdown).

Government then props you up during the economic shutdown.

Now you owe the government (for that they caused).

And now you lose your deeply personal medical freedom to the government.

Sounds like another good scam by the govvies.

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Great story, except in real life it was Covid that shut down the economy. And may well do so again if the virus stans have their way.

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Too many contradictions Sam .

Working Americans have to be vaccinated or lose their jobs....for most that means losing their only means of support. In reality a cynical piece of manipulation .

Because hundreds of thousands of illegals can enter the country and DON' T have to be vaccinated.

Students have to be vaccinated....but NOT teachers ?
Army troops have to be vaccinated but NOT postal workers ?

Can you say UNIONS ?

Doesn't pass the smell test.....none of it does .

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They won't even have to be vaccinated to keep their jobs. Weekly testing is enough. It's a lot of outrage over nothing.

If not vaccines, masks, or testing, what policy is acceptable? Can employers even send workers home if they're sick?

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Completely side stepping the obvious mandate contradictions ......why ?

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It's stupid union s***. What about it?

HuMcK said:

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"Southwest customers don't give two ****s about whether Southwest employees are vaccinated or not, but they do care if their flight gets cancelled."

Yup, that's right. And implicit in that attitude is that the general public has no pity for you whiny tity babies who contort yourself in theatrical hysterics over a simple vaccine, during an epidemic that has killed more Americans than any of our wars. I don't care how many tweets or social media posts you can dig up of people supporting the Southwest employees, the proof is in the customers, who are pissed at the cancelled flights and not the vaccine mandate.

This may come as a shock to learn, but nigh on a million dead and a similar number with lingering symptoms has negative economic consequences. I'm sure airlines are sad to see longtime employees and experience go out the door, but they know they the better long term play is to mitigate the effects of the pandemic and eventually move past it.

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We will see how that plays out among federal employees, such as air traffic control and the armed forces. I suspect that our country may not be "better off" as a result, but we will see.

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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Sounds good, except vaccine saturation hasn't returned any country in the world to "normalcy."

The impediment to the economy right now has nothing to do with the spread of COVID, but instead supply chain issues, runaway inflation, and former employees who'd rather take govt. money than go back to their jobs.

You have the policies of the current admin to thank for that.

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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Not just "the rest of us."

The majority of us.

This antivax idiocy is hurting the economy. But it's a good way for right-wing politicians to rile up the gullibles like these boys here. So that's what they're doing.

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The thing hurting our economy is runaway inflation, supply chain issues and employees who would rather take a govt. check than return to employment. It ain't antivaxxers.

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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Dated article that fails to examine long term repercussions. Data is from Spring of 2020.

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HuMcK said:

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See paragraph 2 of the comment you replied to. The rest of us want a return to normalcy and are tired of the wild conspiracies and resistance theater from a vocal minority. High case counts and death rates, now being driven largely by unvaccinated populations, are an impediment to the economy as a whole. Each new surge costs more resources and human capital. Seven hundred fourteen thousand deaths and counting now, over 99% of them in the last wave were unvaccinated.

Early on the right wing narrative was that some sacrifice of lives was acceptable, even necessary, to sustain the economy. The majority of America ended up deciding that a small sacrifice of personal liberty, i.e. mandating a proven safe and effective vaccination, is an acceptable cost to move past the pandemic.

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The case counts and death rates should have little impact on the economy. If anything, it drives profits and OT for health care workers, and it makes more jobs available to the unemployed. The only thing economically impacted is by the lockdowns. Similarly, the disruptions in some industries and firing essential workers is causing the harm not covid.

I don't know why you always reflexively go to binary tribal silliness, but by the same token the left wing narrative was "don't trust Trump's vaccine."

For the record, I think everyone > 30 should get vaccinated. The question that remains unanswered is why are people that are pro-vaccine so hysterical about the unvaccinated. If one believes it works, then one should resume life as normal. If I am vaccinated, I should not be afraid to fly because the stewardess or pilot is not vaccinated. That's irrational.

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Only a small percentage of the economic impact was caused by lockdowns.

"The vaccine works or it doesn't" is a false dichotomy. It works well overall, better for some than others, and reduces stress on hospitals so they can care for more patients with other needs as well as those with Covid.

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I'm assuming you read the paper you cited?
1. It is the worse kind of papers because they looked at one data set (mobile phone tracking, web searches) and then made an extrapolation based on their assumptions.
2. The data used was from mid-April 2020.

I will give you credit for not reading the summary vs. actually thinking this would be compelling to anyone with a brain.

I noted in my first post that there is a continuum of how people think about the vaccines from an efficacy perspective. However, that does not impact the irrationality of someone who is vaccinated thinking they need to be protected from the unvaccinated.

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They used cell phone data to track contacts, which is common practice. Employment numbers were based on a variety of data, including business payrolls. Congratulations on reading three whole paragraphs, BTW.

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I read the part where the study was based on data through mid-April 2020. I could try to explain the concept of lagging indicators to you, but I think at this point you've become too invested in the answer to consider any questions.

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Yup.

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Why are we blaming Southwest for the mandate? Pretty sure Biden made the mandate and since Southwest has over 100 employees and contracts with the government the mandate was not Southwests choice it was from the government. Or am I missing something?

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I think you're missing that people are angry that Southwest isn't fighting back against these BS mandates.

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So as a business owner I should fight back and lose my government contracts and money when I just spent the 9 of last 18 months with no business and also tell those that I have contracts with to screw off? Did I also mention that government that made the mandates floated me and all the other airlines a nice chunk of change to keep us in business during the pandemic? They can't tell the government to piss off because the government keeps saving the airlines butt every time there is an issue. Y'all need to understand that you may have Southwest stock but the government controls them and every other airline.

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Government drives you out of business (with economic shutdown).

Government then props you up during the economic shutdown.

Now you owe the government (for that they caused).

And now you lose your deeply personal medical freedom to the government.

Sounds like another good scam by the govvies.

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Great story, except in real life it was Covid that shut down the economy. And may well do so again if the virus stans have their way.

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Too many contradictions Sam .

Working Americans have to be vaccinated or lose their jobs....for most that means losing their only means of support. In reality a cynical piece of manipulation .

Because hundreds of thousands of illegals can enter the country and DON' T have to be vaccinated.

Students have to be vaccinated....but NOT teachers ?
Army troops have to be vaccinated but NOT postal workers ?

Can you say UNIONS ?

Doesn't pass the smell test.....none of it does .

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They won't even have to be vaccinated to keep their jobs. Weekly testing is enough. It's a lot of outrage over nothing.

If not vaccines, masks, or testing, what policy is acceptable? Can employers even send workers home if they're sick?

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How about let the private employer decide instead of the govt. mandating it. Or is that now anti-conservative in your mind?