Gameday Thread: No. 25 Baylor Concludes Grand Canyon State Swing Trip against Arizona

bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Chipping away slowly.

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Are we though?

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To be fair we've missed 3 or 4 layups and they chucked in a 40 footer

They the better team gut this could easily be a 2 possession game even with all the trash we putting out there

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You and I are watching different games. We're getting abused.

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Ummm dude. It was a 12 point game when I said that. Just math bro

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We've been dominated from start to finish. The score is just a product of that.

This score is exactly what it should be with the way those two teams played in the first half.

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Lmao. You funny man. Appreciate the laugh. That's good stuff

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Are you being serious right now? We're shooting 25.9 percent from the field, 11.1 percent from 3 and have a 2-to-7 assist-to-turnover ratio while allowing Arizona to shoot 53.6 percent from the field.

We are getting absolutely murdered. There is no silver lining here. There are no what ifs. This is domination.

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Bro are you dense? Just move in lmao

No **** sherlock

I've been saying this for many games

Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

Offensively, the spacing is limited by play 2 non-shooting bigs. Haven't watched a lot of games this year but feels like they should consider going with only one of these guys at a time. I assume the loss of Bridges and no equivalent option on the roster is really limiting.

Defensively, probably need to go zone most of the time. These guys are clueless against most action and fundamentally unsound to reliably play man to man all game.

IowaBear said:

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Will never know the full truth. But I would be curious what Langston actual injury supposedly is right now. Dudes been out for 2 weeks with ankle soreness… I'm arguably his biggest fan. But he and BU need to mutually part at seasons end

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time to cut bait with him. Taking up a roster spot.

lakersfan34 said:

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Offensively, the spacing is limited by play 2 non-shooting bigs. Haven't watched a lot of games this year but feels like they should consider going with only one of these guys at a time. I assume the loss of Bridges and no equivalent option on the roster is really limiting.

Defensively, probably need to go zone most of the time. These guys are clueless against most action and fundamentally unsound to reliably play man to man all game.

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Our defense would be even worse if we played four-guard lineups extensively. And our guards suck, so there's also that.

I think it's two part. Drew has way too much of an obsession with five star recruiting and now the portal has five star freshman and five star transfers. So he gets a double hit of dopamine landing guys like that. Getting those guys just forces you to get more to be competitive without a rebuild year.

Two we had a couple early departures like sochan that forced drew to go to even more transfers in his roster and he's failed to rectify that with developing someone to starter status to make up for that.

IowaBear said:

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There's a reason Houston, KU, ISU are the cream of the crop in the B12.. roster continuation. Recruiting/developing multiple year contributors. Zero idea why we got away from that.

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because 5* are sexy

bear2be2 said:

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lakersfan34 said:

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Offensively, the spacing is limited by play 2 non-shooting bigs. Haven't watched a lot of games this year but feels like they should consider going with only one of these guys at a time. I assume the loss of Bridges and no equivalent option on the roster is really limiting.

Defensively, probably need to go zone most of the time. These guys are clueless against most action and fundamentally unsound to reliably play man to man all game.

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Our defense would be even worse if we played four-guard lineups extensively. And our guards suck, so there's also that.

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i would like to see if they could just play straight to man with no switching

Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Chipping away slowly.

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Are we though?

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To be fair we've missed 3 or 4 layups and they chucked in a 40 footer

They the better team gut this could easily be a 2 possession game even with all the trash we putting out there

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You and I are watching different games. We're getting abused.

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Ummm dude. It was a 12 point game when I said that. Just math bro

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We've been dominated from start to finish. The score is just a product of that.

This score is exactly what it should be with the way those two teams played in the first half.

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Lmao. You funny man. Appreciate the laugh. That's good stuff

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Are you being serious right now? We're shooting 25.9 percent from the field, 11.1 percent from 3 and have a 2-to-7 assist-to-turnover ratio while allowing Arizona to shoot 53.6 percent from the field.

We are getting absolutely murdered. There is no silver lining here. There are no what ifs. This is domination.

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Bro are you dense? Just move in lmao

No **** sherlock

I've been saying this for many games

Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

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I've been saying all year this is a high-floor, low-ceiling team. Not sure where you've been.

My take on this team has been pretty damn spot on. We beat all the teams we should and none of the teams that we shouldn't. If we can overwhelm you athletically, we're going to beat you. If we can't, we're going to look bad because our backcourt is damn near devoid of playmakers and reliable 3-point shooters.

is 1 for 10 on 3 pointers bad?

Bearwhiz said:

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IowaBear said:

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There's a reason Houston, KU, ISU are the cream of the crop in the B12.. roster continuation. Recruiting/developing multiple year contributors. Zero idea why we got away from that.

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because 5* are sexy

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We seem to like bragging about NBA draft picks more than we do winning.

Also I'll get flamed again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

When this team plays at their best they are mediocre. When they aren't playing at their best they are not very good at all.

wgeralds said:

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is 1 for 10 on 3 pointers bad?

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I said this all season we are not a good 3 point shooting team. The weak teams we have played padded our stats. Any good or above average tran we played has showed we are not very good.


And poof. Today's team shows it.

We have to be better on other areas to offset the 3 pointers. Good d, less turnovers, team ball passing.

bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Chipping away slowly.

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Are we though?

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To be fair we've missed 3 or 4 layups and they chucked in a 40 footer

They the better team gut this could easily be a 2 possession game even with all the trash we putting out there

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You and I are watching different games. We're getting abused.

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Ummm dude. It was a 12 point game when I said that. Just math bro

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We've been dominated from start to finish. The score is just a product of that.

This score is exactly what it should be with the way those two teams played in the first half.

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Lmao. You funny man. Appreciate the laugh. That's good stuff

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Are you being serious right now? We're shooting 25.9 percent from the field, 11.1 percent from 3 and have a 2-to-7 assist-to-turnover ratio while allowing Arizona to shoot 53.6 percent from the field.

We are getting absolutely murdered. There is no silver lining here. There are no what ifs. This is domination.

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Bro are you dense? Just move in lmao

No **** sherlock

I've been saying this for many games

Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

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I've been saying all year this is a high-floor, low-ceiling team. Not sure where you've been.

My take on this team has been pretty damn spot on. We beat all the teams we should and none of the teams that we shouldn't. If we can overwhelm you athletically, we're going to beat you. If we can't, we're going to look bad because our backcourt is damn near devoid of playmakers and reliable 3-pointer shooters.

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I'm not the one arguing the point. I've said for some time this team just isn't very good.

I think you're arguing with yourself. Move long. You're list with whatever you're trying to convey to me.

This is not a good team. With 9 min to go they were down 12 with 3 missed layups and a Hail Mary 3 from being a 2 possession game

Somehow you took that to mean I thought this team was good. I do not. I've stated that at length You should be talking with your group that told me I was an idiot saying this team isn't good. Not talking with me lol

Thanks for the lulz tonight though. Almost as fun as laughing at this team flounder before I turned it off

IvanBear said:

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Also I'll get flames again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

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I love Scott Drew, but I hate the way he's constructing his rosters right now. These teams are neither exceptionally good or fun to watch.

These last three teams have looked like late-era Calipari Kentucky teams ... and that's not at all a compliment.

There's no discipline, no defined roles, no defense. Just a bunch of guys trying to showcase their abilities (and some they don't have but wish they did) for NBA scouts. We're getting by on talent alone ... on the occasions we manage to get by.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Also I'll get flames again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

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I love Scott Drew, but I hate the way he's constructing his rosters right now. These teams are neither exceptionally good or fun to watch.

These last three teams have looked like late-era Calipari Kentucky teams ... and that's not at all a compliment.

There's no discipline, no defined roles, no defense. Just a bunch of guys trying to showcase their abilities for NBA scouts. We're getting by on talent alone ... on the occasions we manage to get by.

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We're in total agreement, I want drew to get back to what got us the natty. Which was a dry spell of 5* recruiting for him. He's always been a guy who took a lot of shots at the McDonald's all Americans etc.

I hate to say it but I think the roster constriction that made the 2020/2021 teams elite was a fluke and a failure of Drew's original recruiting goals. It's disappointing he didn't realize that that path was clearly leading to more success than the Perry Jones and Isaiah Austin, and Quincy Millers of the world.

I love drew and don't want to see him go but I'm not optimistic he's going to suddenly change his stripes. If the owner of this site is to be believed we'll get a few more years of this then drew rides off. I hope we compete in that timeframe but somethings gotta change to make me think we will.

IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Also I'll get flames again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

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I love Scott Drew, but I hate the way he's constructing his rosters right now. These teams are neither exceptionally good or fun to watch.

These last three teams have looked like late-era Calipari Kentucky teams ... and that's not at all a compliment.

There's no discipline, no defined roles, no defense. Just a bunch of guys trying to showcase their abilities for NBA scouts. We're getting by on talent alone ... on the occasions we manage to get by.

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We're in total agreement, I want drew to get back to what got us the natty. Which was a dry spell of 5* recruiting for him. He's always been a guy who took a lot of shots at the McDonald's all Americans etc.

I hate to say it but I think the roster constriction that made the 2020/2021 teams elite was a fluke and a failure of Drew's original recruiting goals. It's disappointing he didn't realize that that path was clearly leading to more success than the Perry Jones and Isaiah Austin, and Quincy Millers of the world.

I love drew and don't want to see him go but I'm not optimistic he's going to suddenly change his stripes. If the owner of this site is to be believed we'll get a few more years of this then drew rides off. I hope we compete in that timeframe but somethings gotta change to make me think we will.

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Well, we've already got our next two or three one-and-dones lined up, so I don't see anything changing.

We're just a vehicle now for talented, but immature freshmen to play heavy minutes with no leash and one-year transfers to try to prove they're something they're not.

We'll brag about sending a million guys to the NBA while bowing out in the second round of the tournament every year.

I hope for the sake of the team the 5 star coming in next year doesn't start. He's no where near ready to contribute anything meaningful. That's not changing in 10 months

We used to be a basketball school ….

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Also I'll get flames again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

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I love Scott Drew, but I hate the way he's constructing his rosters right now. These teams are neither exceptionally good or fun to watch.

These last three teams have looked like late-era Calipari Kentucky teams ... and that's not at all a compliment.

There's no discipline, no defined roles, no defense. Just a bunch of guys trying to showcase their abilities for NBA scouts. We're getting by on talent alone ... on the occasions we manage to get by.

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We're in total agreement, I want drew to get back to what got us the natty. Which was a dry spell of 5* recruiting for him. He's always been a guy who took a lot of shots at the McDonald's all Americans etc.

I hate to say it but I think the roster constriction that made the 2020/2021 teams elite was a fluke and a failure of Drew's original recruiting goals. It's disappointing he didn't realize that that path was clearly leading to more success than the Perry Jones and Isaiah Austin, and Quincy Millers of the world.

I love drew and don't want to see him go but I'm not optimistic he's going to suddenly change his stripes. If the owner of this site is to be believed we'll get a few more years of this then drew rides off. I hope we compete in that timeframe but somethings gotta change to make me think we will.

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Well, we've already got our next two or three one-and-dones lined up, so I don't see anything changing.

We're just a vehicle now for talented, but immature freshmen to play heavy minutes with no leash and one-year transfers to try to prove they're something they're not.

We'll brag about sending a million guys to the NBA while bowing out in the second round of the tournament every year.

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Yeah it's incredibly disappointing, you gotta think some of those five stars eventually get cold feet after we keep ruining so many guys draft prospects…. (I don't think we ruin them I think we just let them get exposed with poor coaching)

Vital not happy

@BaylorMBB ! Step it up

— The Villain 🃏 (@MarkVitalJr) January 15, 2025

Arizona letting up a bit, it's too late but they're getting lazy

IvanBear said:

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Arizona letting up a bit, it's too late but they're getting lazy

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And Jeremy Roach gets his garbage time numbers. It's going to look like he played a good game when he was an absolute no-show (again) while this game was actually being decided.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Arizona letting up a bit, it's too late but they're getting lazy

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And Jeremy Roach gets his garbage time numbers. It's going to look like he played a good game when he was an absolute no-show (again) while this game was actually being decided.

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I'd love to know how toxic it is in the locker room. There's no chemistry on the court it's gotta be bad in practice and the locker room.

This teams plays hard, and I applaud their fight, but I'm finding very little consolation in this comeback.

I'll give you a game or two in a given season where you play your way out of it in the first half. But when it happens four times before Jan. 15, it's hard to get real excited about moral victories.

If we win this game, I'll eat crow. Otherwise, this is just lipstick on a pig.

If we win this game still don't feel like anyone's eating crow, we get run by good teams, and struggle with mediocre ones.

Arizona is really blowing it here, crazy we've got a chance

TV broadcasters bringing more heat at our players than the coaching staff ever will…

I think it's the Tang effect. The guards seemed to have been better in the paint when he was here.

Arizona had 22 points off turnovers. In addition to not being able to hit the broad side of a barn, if we don't stop being careless with the ball (all of our guards are guilty but especially the freshmen) we won't beat anybody that's any good.

Agreed. This was totally predictable. The late run was because Arizona was so far ahead. I don't think it had a lot to do with Baylor. Nunn has to freaking show up. He can't beat anyone off the dribble, he has to stop going to the hole and getting blocked every time. Play him off set perimeter screens and let him shoot 3s.

We can't play through Norchad because he can't stay in the game. I don't understand his fouling so early in the game. He got 2 fouls with 1:08 into the game. It was decided at that point. This is the 4th-5th time this has happened. No way we can win without him.

IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Also I'll get flames again for this but whatever.

We would have been better this year if drew had left for Kentucky.

Whoever came in would have prioritized building a team not a guard heavy abomination of recruiting rankings.

Drew needs to get his head in the game recruiting wise, it's not right now and that's a way bigger problem than the coaching decisions with this specific roster.

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I love Scott Drew, but I hate the way he's constructing his rosters right now. These teams are neither exceptionally good or fun to watch.

These last three teams have looked like late-era Calipari Kentucky teams ... and that's not at all a compliment.

There's no discipline, no defined roles, no defense. Just a bunch of guys trying to showcase their abilities for NBA scouts. We're getting by on talent alone ... on the occasions we manage to get by.

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We're in total agreement, I want drew to get back to what got us the natty. Which was a dry spell of 5* recruiting for him. He's always been a guy who took a lot of shots at the McDonald's all Americans etc.

I hate to say it but I think the roster constriction that made the 2020/2021 teams elite was a fluke and a failure of Drew's original recruiting goals. It's disappointing he didn't realize that that path was clearly leading to more success than the Perry Jones and Isaiah Austin, and Quincy Millers of the world.

I love drew and don't want to see him go but I'm not optimistic he's going to suddenly change his stripes. If the owner of this site is to be believed we'll get a few more years of this then drew rides off. I hope we compete in that timeframe but somethings gotta change to make me think we will.

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Well, we've already got our next two or three one-and-dones lined up, so I don't see anything changing.

We're just a vehicle now for talented, but immature freshmen to play heavy minutes with no leash and one-year transfers to try to prove they're something they're not.

We'll brag about sending a million guys to the NBA while bowing out in the second round of the tournament every year.

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Yeah it's incredibly disappointing, you gotta think some of those five stars eventually get cold feet after we keep ruining so many guys draft prospects…. (I don't think we ruin them I think we just let them get exposed with poor coaching)

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Nah. Talent is talent and the NBA scouts have already made their decisions based on high school play. Baylor is just basically a gap year.