Game Thread: No. 13 Seed Bears Open Big 12 Tournament Play against No. 12 Seed Sun Devils

Johnny Bear said:

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Just out of curiosity, did Rataj set a season record for 3 point attempts that missed the rim entirely?

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It's possible. It's crazy how bad he turned out to be.

I didn't watch. Already checked out on this team. A meaningless game really and sounds like the team had checked out also.

Assuming Williams stays, do we cast our lot with him as starting PG next season, or do we use big time NIL $$ to try to land a proven PG in the portal?

16-16 should get no post season invites… Drew needs the extra time to find his next Michael Rataj

boognish_bear said:

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What freaking horrible seasons for us to endure one on top of the other with football and basketball.

So many games in both where we didn't even look competitive.

Doug has got his work cut out for him.

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And to likely cap it off, from early appearances, baseball is going to be the same basic crap show it's been for the last several seasons as B12 conference play is about to get under way.

IowaBear said:

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16-16 should get no post season invites… Drew needs the extra time to find his next Michael Rataj

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*15-16 ( We should be embarrassed to count the D2 bible college win in December.)

Anyone know who Mosley is referring to on his show today as a great hire for the basketball program? This is someone who Baylor is trying to hire, supposedly.

If by "proven point guard " you mean the next sucky senior transfer like roach and Obi then please no. Enough senior grad transfers especially the ones who suck at basketball.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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If by "proven point guard " you mean the next sucky senior transfer like roach and Obi then please no. Enough senior grad transfers especially the ones who suck at basketball.

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I don't mind a senior grad transfer point guard if he's actually a point guard. I'm so done with these undersized "combo" guards who are trying to cosplay as a point guard to boost their nonexistent draft stock.

I'll take true playmakers like RayJ Dennis all day. And even James Akinjo, whose game I didn't care much for, handled that role well. But the Manu Lecompt, Jeremy Roach and Obi Agbim experiments were all failures.

We're not here to showcase players' skills -- or the skills they think they have but don't. We're here to win games. And doing so requires a true, playmaking point guard in Drew's offense. That's been proven time and time again -- both in the affirmative and the negative.

Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.

We need multiple guys this offseason with 2 or 3 years of eligiblity remaining, so we can begin to build a semblance of team and program cohesion.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.

We need multiple guys this offseason with 2 or 3 years of eligiblity remaining, so we can begin to build a semblance of team and program cohesion.

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All teams are going to have some senior transfers. Our issue is that at least four of our five starters are one-year players most years -- be they senior transfers, five-star freshmen or transfers that don't stay (by their choice or ours).

I don't mind a starter or two who are short-timers. And we've traditionally done well with one- our two-year guys at the point. The problem comes when everyone on the floor is a short-timer, and I agree we need to get off that treadmill. The last two years have not been fun. And if following/watching your team isn't fun in the most transactional era in sports history, you've got a big problem.

bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.

We need multiple guys this offseason with 2 or 3 years of eligiblity remaining, so we can begin to build a semblance of team and program cohesion.

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All teams are going to have some senior transfers. Our issue is that at least four of our five starters are one-year players most years -- be they senior transfers, five-star freshmen or transfers that don't stay (by their choice or ours).

I don't mind a starter or two who are short-timers. And we've traditionally done well with one- our two-year guys at the point. The problem comes when everyone on the floor is a short-timer, and I agree we need to get off that treadmill. The last two years have not been fun. And if following/watching your team isn't fun in the most transactional era in sports history, you've got a big problem.

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Yes. In the transfer portal era, it is inevitable you will always have *some* roster turnover and attrition. But we are staring down the barrel at yet another year of near 100% roster turnover. The only way to break that cycle is to intentionally bring in players with 2 to 3 years of eligibility and create a cohort of players to build around.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.

We need multiple guys this offseason with 2 or 3 years of eligiblity remaining, so we can begin to build a semblance of team and program cohesion.

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All teams are going to have some senior transfers. Our issue is that at least four of our five starters are one-year players most years -- be they senior transfers, five-star freshmen or transfers that don't stay (by their choice or ours).

I don't mind a starter or two who are short-timers. And we've traditionally done well with one- our two-year guys at the point. The problem comes when everyone on the floor is a short-timer, and I agree we need to get off that treadmill. The last two years have not been fun. And if following/watching your team isn't fun in the most transactional era in sports history, you've got a big problem.

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Yes. In the transfer portal era, it is inevitable you will always have *some* roster turnover and attrition. But we are staring down the barrel at yet another year of near 100% roster turnover. The only way to break that cycle is to intentionally bring in players with 2 to 3 years of eligibility and create a cohort of players to build around.

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And to start investing in high school freshmen who are talented enough to compete in the Big 12 but don't arrive on campus with one or both eyes on the NBA.

I thought we had accomplished that with Wright last year. But he left anyway. Just really, really bad luck and timing with that one.

bearss said:

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Anyone know who Mosley is referring to on his show today as a great hire for the basketball program? This is someone who Baylor is trying to hire, supposedly.

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I guess things could be worse, much worse actually*, but, it's mostly upside from here......

- UF

2021 seems like a looooooooong time ago.

D!

{ sipping coffee }

* we are Baylor.

ASU 42
ISU 91

Hot damn

boognish_bear said:

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ASU 42
ISU 91

Hot damn

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Our 1st round game with ASU was basically about who gets fed to ISU and ASU of course ended up getting the "honor". I will say had it been us, I doubt we would've gotten embarrassed as badly in the second round loss.

boognish_bear said:

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ASU 12
ISU 42

1st Half 1:28

Maybe the Sun Devils are beatable.

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Depends on how important one thinks it is to do that.

IowaBear said:

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This is a perfect example of just how far Baylor has fallen off. The good teams in this league have fully lapped Baylor. I know some don't want to believe that. But it's right there to see. Baylor struggled/often loses to bad B12 teams while the good squads typically beat the bad teams like a Cherokee drum

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We're 3-19 over the last two seasons against AP top-25 opponents. Anyone who doesn't believe this program has stagnated/declined is in complete denial.

We used to be one of the Big 12's big boys, and our records against quality competition bore that out. Now we're a complete afterthought, largely incapable of even competing with our conference's best teams.

Iowa State’s 49-point win over Arizona State just broke the all-time Big 12 tournament record for margin of victory, and is the 3rd-largest margin in ANY conference tournament game since 2000 🤯 pic.twitter.com/vU7xyfvsfV

— The Field of 68 (@TheFieldOf68) March 11, 2026

Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.

We need multiple guys this offseason with 2 or 3 years of eligiblity remaining, so we can begin to build a semblance of team and program cohesion.

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All teams are going to have some senior transfers. Our issue is that at least four of our five starters are one-year players most years -- be they senior transfers, five-star freshmen or transfers that don't stay (by their choice or ours).

I don't mind a starter or two who are short-timers. And we've traditionally done well with one- our two-year guys at the point. The problem comes when everyone on the floor is a short-timer, and I agree we need to get off that treadmill. The last two years have not been fun. And if following/watching your team isn't fun in the most transactional era in sports history, you've got a big problem.

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Yes. In the transfer portal era, it is inevitable you will always have *some* roster turnover and attrition. But we are staring down the barrel at yet another year of near 100% roster turnover. The only way to break that cycle is to intentionally bring in players with 2 to 3 years of eligibility and create a cohort of players to build around.

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I've always wondered if Baylor's ride-or-die mentality of getting a 5-star, one-and-done prospect over the last few years, instead of going after HS and portal guys they know will stay a few years, is mainly coming from Scott Drew, the big-time donors, or a mix of both. My guess is that Coach Drew can raise more money from donors by pitching Baylor's program in a way similar to other blue-blood programs, focusing on star talent they think will represent the program post-Baylor in the NBA. I don't agree with it. I think they should focus on developing guys for multiple years, just like everyone on this site has been saying for a few years, but it could absolutely be a factor in how Baylor's teams have been assembled the last five years. The problem is, we'll never have the money to run our program the same way programs like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. do.

Moody said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Agreed. But my other point is we need to get off the senior and grad transfer treadmill. Even the ones who were great for us, like RayJ and Omier, create constant roster turnover and instability. I know CSD is smart enough to realize this.
...n players with 2 to 3 years of eligibility and create a cohort of players to build around.

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I've always wondered if Baylor's ride-or-die mentality of getting a 5-star, one-and-done prospect over the last few years, instead of goin... I don't agree with it. I think they should focus on developing guys for multiple years, just like ev... n how Baylor's teams have been assembled the last five years. The problem is, we'll never have the money to run our program the same way programs like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. do.

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we do need some NIL reform - maybe a large cap per each team and then a limit on the number of times you can transfer - the lack of continuity makes for a horrible product and is killing men's hoops especially.

- UF

D!

the limit on the number of times you can transfer being the most important issue to address.