Something I question is how much we pay our staff. Aranda is well paid and I'd guess his top assistants are on par with Tech and TCU. What do we pay other assistants? S&C? If Aranda went to Mack and said I need major staffing upgrades. Hiring a Billy Napier like staff. Would he get that? Napier built a staff modeled after Saban. Lot of people on it and well paid.
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Traylor would not be the savior many think he would….
No idea what they are paid (and this doesn't seem to be an excuse at Duke, WSU or OrSt), but a lot of staff is former LSU. I am not sure Aranda had a lot of connections (I doubt he is a gregarious guy) and basically hired from there because that's all he knew.
Bear3 said:
Traylor would not be the savior many think he would….
The biggest knock for him would be that UTSA likely has some recruiting advantages relative to most of the rest of the AAC, and he wouldn't have that at Baylor.
That's not Baylor's decision. It's the donors, who get to choose what they do and do not put their money toward.PartyBear said:I am pretty sure at every P4 school the school's finger prints are all over the NIL apparatus. Including Baylor now.bear2be2 said:A lot of you don't seem to understand how NIL works. The schools don't/can't fund or facilitate it.ScottS said:
Instead of paying the buyout of $40M, do these 2 things...
1)remove Grimes and get a new OC
2)put the $40m into NIL (either through recruitment or through the portal)
It looks like Baylor has said lets have BMDs build us nice facilities and expand the facilities every few years and lets let the regular joe fans fund the NIL through small donations. If it is as appears, Baylor might want to hold back on nice expansions to nice already new facilities and worry about BMDs getting money to the NIL apparatus. Expand facilities in the future off the back of future football success just like we did with the stadium etc.
NIL -- in its current pay-for-play form -- is a really stupid investment. I'm sure most of our donors would rather have their name on a facility than to fund 18-year-olds' whims. And I don't blame them at all.
bear2be2 said:That's not Baylor's decision. It's the donors, who get to choose what they do and do not put their money toward.PartyBear said:I am pretty sure at every P4 school the school's finger prints are all over the NIL apparatus. Including Baylor now.bear2be2 said:A lot of you don't seem to understand how NIL works. The schools don't/can't fund or facilitate it.ScottS said:
Instead of paying the buyout of $40M, do these 2 things...
1)remove Grimes and get a new OC
2)put the $40m into NIL (either through recruitment or through the portal)
It looks like Baylor has said lets have BMDs build us nice facilities and expand the facilities every few years and lets let the regular joe fans fund the NIL through small donations. If it is as appears, Baylor might want to hold back on nice expansions to nice already new facilities and worry about BMDs getting money to the NIL apparatus. Expand facilities in the future off the back of future football success just like we did with the stadium etc.
NIL -- in its current pay-for-play form -- is a really stupid investment. I'm sure most of our donors would rather have their name on a facility than to fund 18-year-olds' whims. And I don't blame them at all.
I can see a business doing NIL. Pay an athlete to represent or promote your company. That makes sense.
As a fan though - **** that. I'm not doing tickets / parking / hotel / food / Baylor attire and paying into NIL.
Exactly. I really like the concept of NIL as it was intended. I hate what it's actually become.morethanhecouldbear said:bear2be2 said:That's not Baylor's decision. It's the donors, who get to choose what they do and do not put their money toward.PartyBear said:I am pretty sure at every P4 school the school's finger prints are all over the NIL apparatus. Including Baylor now.bear2be2 said:A lot of you don't seem to understand how NIL works. The schools don't/can't fund or facilitate it.ScottS said:
Instead of paying the buyout of $40M, do these 2 things...
1)remove Grimes and get a new OC
2)put the $40m into NIL (either through recruitment or through the portal)
It looks like Baylor has said lets have BMDs build us nice facilities and expand the facilities every few years and lets let the regular joe fans fund the NIL through small donations. If it is as appears, Baylor might want to hold back on nice expansions to nice already new facilities and worry about BMDs getting money to the NIL apparatus. Expand facilities in the future off the back of future football success just like we did with the stadium etc.
NIL -- in its current pay-for-play form -- is a really stupid investment. I'm sure most of our donors would rather have their name on a facility than to fund 18-year-olds' whims. And I don't blame them at all.
I can see a business doing NIL. Pay an athlete to represent or promote your company. That makes sense.
As a fan though - **** that. I'm not doing tickets / parking / hotel / food / Baylor attire and paying into NIL.
One thing that irritates me are those BS co-ops. That's just booster money going into a slush fund to pay players.bear2be2 said:Exactly. I really like the concept of NIL as it was intended. I hate what it's actually become.morethanhecouldbear said:bear2be2 said:That's not Baylor's decision. It's the donors, who get to choose what they do and do not put their money toward.PartyBear said:I am pretty sure at every P4 school the school's finger prints are all over the NIL apparatus. Including Baylor now.bear2be2 said:A lot of you don't seem to understand how NIL works. The schools don't/can't fund or facilitate it.ScottS said:
Instead of paying the buyout of $40M, do these 2 things...
1)remove Grimes and get a new OC
2)put the $40m into NIL (either through recruitment or through the portal)
It looks like Baylor has said lets have BMDs build us nice facilities and expand the facilities every few years and lets let the regular joe fans fund the NIL through small donations. If it is as appears, Baylor might want to hold back on nice expansions to nice already new facilities and worry about BMDs getting money to the NIL apparatus. Expand facilities in the future off the back of future football success just like we did with the stadium etc.
NIL -- in its current pay-for-play form -- is a really stupid investment. I'm sure most of our donors would rather have their name on a facility than to fund 18-year-olds' whims. And I don't blame them at all.
I can see a business doing NIL. Pay an athlete to represent or promote your company. That makes sense.
As a fan though - **** that. I'm not doing tickets / parking / hotel / food / Baylor attire and paying into NIL.
The sad thing is that even if it were required that NIL had to be from businesses, someone would create a dummy business and just throw cash at players. Basically, boosters will figure out a workaround.
There's no real oversight. I would normally not be on board with the feds coming in and making rules, but they are the only ones that can put something in place that everyone has to abide by.
montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
boognish_bear said:montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.
FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.
Tom Herman?
Kinne
Like how Matt Rhule struggled?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.
I do agree with this. Mack needs to go first. It just feels unlikely that he gets fired.ABC BEAR said:
Our concern now should be looking for a new AD to replace the one who OK'd the $40M buyout for Aranda.
Whatever happens, I hope we make it a point to hire someone that is a proven commodity at the college head coaching level. Every HC we've brought in that didn't come in with some successful college HC experience has been either a total disaster or at best a failure by the time they ran out of their predecessor's recruits going at least as far back as Bill Beall (I.e late 1960's). Please, no more experiments with elevating coordinators.
Wasn't he a one time Guy Morris commit, who ended up flipping to UT?
Sure would be ironic if we hired Gary Patterson after TCU hired Kendall Briles.
Damn! I thought it was $14 million. THAT SUCKS!!!
Aranda's buyout is not $40 million. It's $25 million give or take.
The fans are getting more and more impatient and the AD is going to be forced to make a change. They will find the money somewhere. Either Aranda goes or Linda will be forced to let Rhodes go.
For the record, last night was the last time you see a relatively decent crowd at the stadium for a game. The end of the game crowd is what is to be expected for the remainder of the season… possibly including homecoming.
The fans are getting more and more impatient and the AD is going to be forced to make a change. They will find the money somewhere. Either Aranda goes or Linda will be forced to let Rhodes go.
For the record, last night was the last time you see a relatively decent crowd at the stadium for a game. The end of the game crowd is what is to be expected for the remainder of the season… possibly including homecoming.
Why not both?baylorguy09 said:
... Either Aranda goes or Linda will be forced to let Rhodes go. ...
I do think choades needs to go, but I have no clue who to recommend for an AD. I do not have a list compiled and would not know where to start.
soren said:
Sure would be ironic if we hired Gary Patterson after TCU hired Kendall Briles.
I just fyucking threw up in my mouth.
Very good point. Rhule did a very good job. As time goes on, it is becoming more and more evident that he and Briles did outstanding jobs. When the data changes, you have to recognize it and acnknowledge it.jikespingleton said:Like how Matt Rhule struggled?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.
So, what did he have? My bet is the Pro connection and the Super Bowl win helps with recruiting. He is a bit mercenary for me, but he delivered. You are dead on. I would be ecstatic with a Rhule type after the last 2 years!
Correct! As a season ticket holder, the games have been absolutely embarrassing. We have brought friends to 4 games this season their first Baylor games and it has been utterly humiliating. This is supposed to be entertaining, and as a huge sports fan I realize we won't always win, but I EXPECT competitive and competent play and coaching. The costs to attend are far too high to expect anything less.
Last night would have been our last of the season if we hadn't already invited dear friends to the Houston game can only imagine the complete lackluster crowd at that game. And why would anyone want to watch this sorry excuse for football anyway? I mean, who actually thinks a defensive minded team is entertaining to watch? When they are good, wins are more a relief than enjoyable. When they lose it is boring as heck and you know the game is over once the opponent score 17 points. When offensive minded teams win it is thrilling and exciting. When they lose it is frustrating but hope abounds because you know you can score and you have a chance to come back until the clock runs out.
I won't be renewing our 4 season tickets to see this trash until I see HOPE, which comes from a team who knows their identity, or their goal for an identity.
Basketball season can't get here soon enough.
Last night would have been our last of the season if we hadn't already invited dear friends to the Houston game can only imagine the complete lackluster crowd at that game. And why would anyone want to watch this sorry excuse for football anyway? I mean, who actually thinks a defensive minded team is entertaining to watch? When they are good, wins are more a relief than enjoyable. When they lose it is boring as heck and you know the game is over once the opponent score 17 points. When offensive minded teams win it is thrilling and exciting. When they lose it is frustrating but hope abounds because you know you can score and you have a chance to come back until the clock runs out.
I won't be renewing our 4 season tickets to see this trash until I see HOPE, which comes from a team who knows their identity, or their goal for an identity.
Basketball season can't get here soon enough.
Chadwell Chadwell Chadwell
What about Blake Anderson?
AgentGrant
TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.
soren said:
Wasn't he a one time Guy Morris commit, who ended up flipping to UT?
Yes it was the beginning of the end for GM IMO. GJ then carried a clipboard for UT before having a decent career at Tulsa. His dad coached for us and was a great linebacker for BU in the day.
I wouldn't turn him down on name alone or because of his tcu affiliation.BUGWBBear said:soren said:
Sure would be ironic if we hired Gary Patterson after TCU hired Kendall Briles.
I just fyucking threw up in my mouth.
However, I would turn him down based on the last few seasons at tcu. Everything sort of fell apart there and it points to his poor staff choices. Sounds familiar, huh?
Another reason I wouldn't go with the the guy is he never won a big 12 title. tcu can claim that 'co' title, but that is some aggy logic. They lost to us and are not co champs as far as I'm concerned. They only get that 'title' due to flawed Big 12 rules - which were immediately changed following that season. So, again, to me their big 12 'title' is some real aggy type *****
FLBear5630 said:TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.
Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.
I like it! I'll add him.TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.jikespingleton said:FLBear5630 said:TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.
Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.
Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.
I didn't say anything about him.
I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.FLBear5630 said:I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.jikespingleton said:FLBear5630 said:TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.
Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.
Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.
I didn't say anything about him.
No big deal, just a generalization. I need to put more time into my responses here.jikespingleton said:I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.FLBear5630 said:I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.jikespingleton said:FLBear5630 said:TheAgentGrant said:
What about Blake Anderson?
First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.
Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.
Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.
I didn't say anything about him.
Matt also had Joey. Give him credit for knowing he needed that connection, but not giving kudos to Joey for the recruits from Texas is silly. Rhule's first class proved to have some really good talent, but what about the next two classes ? Then Joey leaves for Tech and look at Arandas recruiting sine then ? Not saying Joey was the guy to be head coach here, but we MUST have talent from Texas and we compete with some really big boys on the block. All who post here are Baylor fans or alumni, and most love our experience at Baylor , but when recruiting kids with NO ties to Baylor, there needs to be a personal connection to convince those kids to come here. If you have never played in front of a crowd of 80,000 or more in a stadium of crazed fans , you cannot really understand what goes through a recruits mind when he walks into that atmosphere. Love our stadium and fans, but walk on Memorial stadium, Kyle Field, LSU stadium as an 18 year old high school player and experience what that is like compared to our house. Without connections ,that is a tall mountain to climb. Like it or not, we must face reality, a successful P5 coach is already being paid the kind of money Baylor can afford to pay. If they are not, they can expect a raise where they are. Any coach that has made it to the level of a head coach at a P5 program is not stupid, not judging their coaching success, but they can see how Baylor handled the Briles situation and realize that could easily have been them. Who wants to walk into that ? Really short list ! We will likely have to go to lower level coaches that have been successful and take a chance they can replicate that success at Baylor. We will also have to realize that if that happens, bigger programs will go after that coach, or like Rhule this Baylor job is only a stepping stone to other things.FLBear5630 said:Very good point. Rhule did a very good job. As time goes on, it is becoming more and more evident that he and Briles did outstanding jobs. When the data changes, you have to recognize it and acnknowledge it.jikespingleton said:Like how Matt Rhule struggled?FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:montypython said:
We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.
I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.
Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.
Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.
Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.
Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.
Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:
Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.
Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.
Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.
Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)
Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.
Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.
Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.
I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini
Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.
So, what did he have? My bet is the Pro connection and the Super Bowl win helps with recruiting. He is a bit mercenary for me, but he delivered. You are dead on. I would be ecstatic with a Rhule type after the last 2 years!
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