Keyser Soze said:

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Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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The way that the BOR is spending $$ to settle lawsuits and withholding information from the BMD, one might suppose that they have little interest in the long-term financial health of the university - especially contributions from the BMD.

I do not believe that Baylor released that letter - wasn't it released by the Canadians? If Baylor didn't release the letter, how would that placate JEW?

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Keyser Soze said:

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Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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The way that the BOR is spending $$ to settle lawsuits and withholding information from the BMD, one might suppose that they have little interest in the long-term financial health of the university - especially contributions from the BMD.

I do not believe that Baylor released that letter - wasn't it released by the Canadians? If Baylor didn't release the letter, how would that placate JEW?

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I think his contention is that Baylor wrote the letter at the insistence of John Eddie Williams. Not that there's any evidence for it, but that hasn't stopped anyone yet.

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Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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The way that the BOR is spending $$ to settle lawsuits and withholding information from the BMD, one might suppose that they have little interest in the long-term financial health of the university - especially contributions from the BMD.

I do not believe that Baylor released that letter - wasn't it released by the Canadians? If Baylor didn't release the letter, how would that placate JEW?

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I think his contention is that Baylor wrote the letter at the insistence of John Eddie Williams. Not that there's any evidence for it, but that hasn't stopped anyone yet.

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Not contention - that is unabashed wild a$$ speculation , have not a clue in the world as to the "why" behind this letter .... very curious

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

57Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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The way that the BOR is spending $$ to settle lawsuits and withholding information from the BMD, one might suppose that they have little interest in the long-term financial health of the university - especially contributions from the BMD.

I do not believe that Baylor released that letter - wasn't it released by the Canadians? If Baylor didn't release the letter, how would that placate JEW?

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Yes I think the Ti-Cats made it public

Baylor certainly created it and gave it to Briles or his representative. I think the purpose was to help Briles with employment. I don't know a press release issuing of it was ever intended.

JEW is our BMD who has was part of the Bring Briles Back movement that morphed into BLR. He is by far Briles most powerful corner man. Nothing but pure speculation if he had any influence on the issuing of that letter. The why of the letter is very unknown.

LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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Nick works for Baylor, so that's the answer for him. As to others--I think REX answered your question in a post on page 15:

Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.

Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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"Tevin made the decision on his own and he went to prison for it. Case closed." The follow-up was answered to the no rumblings around the lockerroom.

Coffey also said that several times that two players basically don't define the program. I agree with that. Another five on top of that do not define the program over what nine years. Why all the posters here though that refuse to admit that there might have been a couple of rapes and then some more questionable territories with extremely intoxicated women? I don't think that Briles is a bad man or that 98% of the players did anything wrong. A little front-end Title IX TLC by Baylor and the Title IX liability is greatly lessened. Starr doesn't need an outside review. The blood isn't in the water for the sharks because the pay-outs aren't there.

Keyser can respond for himself, but I read his question and thought silence out of Tulsa and Syracuse. Coffey's is the first former play response that I have seen and that was the day or day after the firing.

Beaneater said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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Nick works for Baylor, so that's the answer for him. As to others--I think REX answered your question in a post on page 15:

Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.

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He reference last year's staf then ASKED a question. How does that answer that question?

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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"Tevin made the decision on his own and he went to prison for it. Case closed." The follow-up was answered to the no rumblings around the lockerroom.

Coffey also said that several times that two players basically don't define the program. I agree with that. Another five on top of that do not define the program over what nine years. Why all the posters here though that refuse to admit that there might have been a couple of rapes and then some more questionable territories with extremely intoxicated women? I don't think that Briles is a bad man or that 98% of the players did anything wrong. A little front-end Title IX TLC by Baylor and the Title IX liability is greatly lessened. Starr doesn't need an outside review. The blood isn't in the water for the sharks because the pay-outs aren't there.

Keyser can respond for himself, but I read his question and thought silence out of Tulsa and Syracuse. Coffey's is the first former play response that I have seen and that was the day or day after the firing.

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Not my question about prior players. Any wise coach is not going to say much publicly because of backlash potential.

Coffey has a radio TV future.

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Phil Bennett says what's up!!!!
Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.
Liberty

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Underrated post. There simply is no sector of our national/world context today any more guilty than almost all mass media when it comes to developing a narrative and then digging up only stuff designed to feed said narrative. Hence, no interviews with the many people (including players, past coaching colleagues at all levels of football) who know Art Briles has been libeled since Day One of this debacle.

Keyser Soze said:

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JEW is our BMD who has was part of the Bring Briles Back movement that morphed into BLR. He is by far Briles most powerful corner man. Nothing but pure speculation if he had any influence on the issuing of that letter. The why of the letter is very unknown.

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Characterizing the Bears for Leadership Reform group as a splinter group of Bring Briles Back is incorrect.

They may have similar members, but their sentiments, beliefs, purposes and members are different.

Baylor is separated in factions.
This letter has different meanings to factions.
Bubba Gravehauler types look at the letter as more important than "Dead Sea Scrolls" and the greatest thing since the Veer Spread.
Looks like they have more to hide on both sides to some.

Beaneater said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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Nick works for Baylor, so that's the answer for him. As to others--I think REX answered your question in a post on page 15:

Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.

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I know a Baylor female athlete from the time period. I asked her had she heard any of what was going on (back when it happened) , and she said no. And yet she thought she would have. (I asked before some of the ones that have led to arrests actually had led to arrests other than Elliott and Sam U.)

This tells me that unless you were one of the woman's friends or in the group of players involved, these things were not necessarily common knowledge. , Even if they were, we have had over a hundred years of college football teams with players doing these types of things. When have you ever heard one player step up and say..... I refuse to play because my teammates are criminals, or I need to make sure the public knows about this. It doesn't happen. Teams protect their teammates. I suspect part of it is indicated by the ex players on this board. There are quite a few (not all) that say... this goes on at every program, so should not be considered. I suspect that is how a lot of them feel.

Lastly, these guys know that if they are the ones who stand up for Briles, they may well be the next subject of a media blog espousing them as yet another example of Baylor's rape enabling culture. This is especially true if they are associated with an NFL team, because it might not be just themselves personally who get attacked..

BU84BEAR said:

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Beaneater said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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Nick works for Baylor, so that's the answer for him. As to others--I think REX answered your question in a post on page 15:

Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.

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I know a Baylor female athlete from the time period. I asked her had she heard any of what was going on (back when it happened) , and she said no. And yet she thought she would have. (I asked before some of the ones that have led to arrests actually had led to arrests other than Elliott and Sam U.)

This tells me that unless you were one of the woman's friends or in the group of players involved, these things were not necessarily common knowledge. , Even if they were, we have had over a hundred years of college football teams with players doing these types of things. When have you ever heard one player step up and say..... I refuse to play because my teammates are criminals, or I need to make sure the public knows about this. It doesn't happen. Teams protect their teammates. I suspect part of it is indicated by the ex players on this board. There are quite a few (not all) that say... this goes on at every program, so should not be considered. I suspect that is how a lot of them feel.

Lastly, these guys know that if they are the ones who stand up for Briles, they may well be the next subject of a media blog espousing them as yet another example of Baylor's rape enabling culture. This is especially true if they are associated with an NFL team, because it might not be just themselves personally who get attacked..

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I have basically the same story as the first two paragraphs with a co-worker for the last couple of years... former Baylor athlete who used to hang out with lots of the Football guys and said she can't believe what is being said about them... that Oakman was one of the nicest guys she knew... never felt in danger or threatened and never felt that the football guys were creepy or rapey.... she thinks the whole Rape Culture narrative is BS.

and I agree with the last paragraph as well... it's the first thing I thought of when I read the initial question.... who wants to willingly be in Brenda Tracey, UT or ESPiN's gun-sight?

The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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LateSteak69 said:

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Beaneater said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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i guess I missed the Coffey interview. it's been said before, but why hasn't Seth, Bryce, Nick, billings, coleman et al said anything?

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That was retweeted by Seth

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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If you wanted to do it right, you wouldn't just interview the HC & AD. A better approach would be to bring in an outside independent third part with experience in the matter. You would interview many many more people. Read police reports, text, emails. You would have an expert scrape over 100 laptops and cell phones . You would gather and catalog over one million pieces of evidence that will fill over 26 terabytes. After nine months or so, the you could be briefed on the results of the investigation. Then you could make a very informed decision.

Keyser Soze said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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If you wanted to do it right, you wouldn't just interview the HC & AD. A better approach would be to bring in an outside independent third part with experience in the matter. You would interview many many more people. Read police reports, text, emails. You would have an expert scrape over 100 laptops and cell phones . You would gather and catalog over one million pieces of evidence that will fill over 26 terabytes. After nine months or so, the you could be briefed on the results of the investigation. Then you could make a very informed decision.

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But at first or at least early in the game, you'd have a conversation with the Athletic Director and Coach would you not?

To add some context, the board is talking to it's higest paid employee, who quickly turned around and wrote a book where he detailed that while he was paid millions, held discussions with other employers and nearly left his current employer.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Briles-Looking-Journey-Tragedy/dp/1600789064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504832722&sr=8-1&keywords=art+briles

But point being, you've a)got an event b) it's public c) it potentially involves university legal liabilty.

What next?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

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I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

I never dreamed that Baylor would become so much more about attorneys and saving face and so much less about Jesus. The year of our Lord, 2017. Who woulda thunkit?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

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I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

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I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

Boards are dysfunctional all the time. Probably more often than not. The social dynamic of a group of 11 year olds children is no different than that of a group of grown professionals. Sometimes the 11 year olds ask better questions. But we know quite a bit thanks to news leaks.

The board probably felt blindsided by news of problems in the football program and a coach whose answer was, "I delegate this to an assistant and don't handle it."

Rule #1 of dealing with Boards of Directors: Don't ever let it get to the board level. If it does, you're already screwed.

Clearly, there is a disconnect between some who felt their responsibilities were to a specific employee, rather than to the organization that signed their check.

Keyser Soze said:

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Beaneater said:

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ramsower: had authority over PD & JA. I'm glad he is now 'moving back to the classroom' but that is an incredibly soft landing for this clown

regents: especially those on the athletics committee & whatever committee was in charge of JA/T9 compliance

who was in charge of training for T9?

who made the decisions to let the 90% of cases that should have been investigated just slide on by? surely it was more than just one guy.

I agree with the decisions the bor made to terminate briles, starr, mccaw, etc. They just didn't do nearly enough. Why didn't heads roll on the admin side? If Briles was the last to know, that means the assistants knew--but all were retained. Why? Just to win football games? That's sure what it looks like to me.

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I have a problem with the conspiracy theories, these are the right questions.

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Early on during this debacle I passionately advocated for transparency. I wanted to know if Baylor had fired the right people and all the people that needed to be fired. Due to the slow trickle of information and how it has all played out I have moved more to the position of "conspiracy theory" because they didn't fire the people responsible outside of the athletic department, many of their claims seemed thin against Briles, and they threw him and the team under the bus at every opportunity.

Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

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I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

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I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

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17 rape or domestic casualty* victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

Group think is the clinging to these ridiculous conspiracy theories such as revenge of flirting with UT

*edit originally said rape not rape and assault

Keyser Soze said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

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I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

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I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

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17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

Group think is the clinging to these ridiculous conspiracy theories such as revenge of flirting with UT

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And it's not what went on in ours. It's not even what the BOR claimed. They were, however, hoping people like you wouldn't read it very carefully.

Keyser Soze said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

---

I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

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I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

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17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

Group think is the clinging to these ridiculous conspiracy theories such as revenge of flirting with UT

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Briles firing had nothing to do with the footsies being played with him and the University of Texas. It had everything to do with getting rid of Ken Starr and "protecting the brand." Briles was collateral damage. Your buddies on the BOR fed all kinds of numbers to the media, including 52 rapes, yet we have seen no proof. Your work is done here, Keyser. The football program has been destroyed.

80sBEAR said:

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I never dreamed that Baylor would become so much more about attorneys and saving face and so much less about Jesus. The year of our Lord, 2017. Who woulda thunkit?

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Gotta keep our eyes on that Christian mission, don'tcha know?

Keyser Soze said:

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17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

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Please cite a source for your information.

80sBEAR said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

---

I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

---

I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

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17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

Group think is the clinging to these ridiculous conspiracy theories such as revenge of flirting with UT

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Briles firing had nothing to do with the footsies being played with him and the University of Texas. It had everything to do with getting rid of Ken Starr and "protecting the brand." Briles was collateral damage. Your buddies on the BOR fed all kinds of numbers to the media, including 52 rapes, yet we have seen no proof. Your work is done here, Keyser. The football program has been destroyed.

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This is so laughable. No it is no the ridiculous UT conspiracy theory, it is the smart well thought out get Ken Starr theory.

Murff, Gray, and Harper gave you 19/17/4 to the WSJ. That is the only number that has been given. You can't even keep straight the differences between what they said and what some plaintiff attorney threw up against the wall.

Keyser Soze said:

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80sBEAR said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Dungeon Athletics said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The lawyers giving opinions here certainly have interesting thoughts, but few have discussed the board structure, insurance costs, or the criminal aspects to these cases.

Baylor is ruled by a Board of Directors, not unlike a corporation. That board of directors is required to pay for something called Directors and Officers Liability Insurance. That gets expensive and if you have a serious, multi million dollar claim, those premiums go up fast. The president at Stanford liked to say his title was "Chief Defendent," as they were sued as much as any university in the US in one year.

So let's say you're the humble board member from First Baptist of Cuero and you're on the board and you see Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Texas Monthly, and some random ***** blogger from Belo Corp ranting about a rape at Baylor University and how university officials have been stonewalling media attempts to obtain information.

With the interest in keeping the university out of expensive litigation and keeping the D&O liability premiums at a minimum, you ask for an interview with the Athletic Director and Head FB coach to discuss details of the allegations.

What do some of the fine opinions here think the first response was?

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You do know board members don't have to pay their own D&O premiums themselves, right? And a large claim may not effect their premiums at all. Baylor may very well be keeping the first several million per claim or have a large annual deductible. Now, essentially announcing that you're handing out checks and the line forms to the left is going to effect just about everything.

---

I know it quite well I'm keeping this generic for that reason.

I want to hear opinions as to how this played in the board room that earned a greater than 50% vote to terminate.

---

I'm sure we'd all love to know, but I suspect we won't until one of the ones who voted against it talks. I suspect that a small group controlled the narrative and a number of others were duped into thinking things were worse than they were. I also suspect we have several members who are extremely naive about what goes on in any football program and what goes on among Baylor students in general. Also, panic. Lots and lots of panic. If we ever learn the details, it will likely replace the Challenger launch as the textbook example of groupthink with disastrous consequences.

---

17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

Group think is the clinging to these ridiculous conspiracy theories such as revenge of flirting with UT

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Briles firing had nothing to do with the footsies being played with him and the University of Texas. It had everything to do with getting rid of Ken Starr and "protecting the brand." Briles was collateral damage. Your buddies on the BOR fed all kinds of numbers to the media, including 52 rapes, yet we have seen no proof. Your work is done here, Keyser. The football program has been destroyed.

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This is so laughable. No it is no the ridiculous UT conspiracy theory, it is the smart well thought out get Ken Starr theory.

Murff, Gray, and Harper gave you 19/17/4 to the WSJ. That is the only number that has been given. You can't even keep straight the differences between what they said and what some plaintiff attorney threw up against the wall.

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You should reread the 19/17/4 allegation. It doesn't say what you think it says.

Well, here we are after pages and pages, and there's still that letter to CAB. I'm remembering the thread that said he had received such a letter and how the same BOR shills who are disparaging it here were denying on the other thread that it even existed.

The walls just keep closing in, don't they, shills?

57Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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17 rape victims (yes alleged!) that involved 19 football players is not what goes on in any football program.

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Please cite a source for your information.

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You know where it came from, just stop it -


If it is not accurate there is little good reason (of course we can always add an extra layer of conspiracy) Briles and Shillinglaw should drop their lawsuits.

About 50 people would know it is a lie and not one of them will break their silence. We have been told it was not a unanimous vote, but we are to believe those who voted not to terminate are going to let this slide.

PH would know their professional name is being used to support a lie ..... and just do nothing about it

You have to believe that two upper level attorneys would knowingly expose themselves to a massive libel suit with a lie.


Look, I try and play fair, so yes I can not prove it to you. I would like you to make your own list as to why we should not believe it and compare it to what I wrote above. Do that and then we can talk about it. Maybe your list will change my mind.



edit: rape & assault --- you buy that?