RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

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The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

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The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

I think it's interesting that the FoF reads like Baylor's failure to set up a fully functioning and compliant Title IX office was extremely out of the norm and abhorrent compared to other colleges. There are currently 360 schools under investigation for Title IX failings, including 3 other Big 12 schools the last time I counted. To my knowledge, Baylor is the only to fire its president.

Before anyone says that Baylor's must have been the worst, go take a look at some of the accusations being leveled at other schools by the Feds. Kansas State has 4 federal investigations, a few lawsuits and has been fighting tooth and nail to say that they don't owe victims who were raped off campus any kind of investigation in to what happened. Their president is safe.

For anyone curious:

https://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/

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I think it's interesting that the FoF reads like Baylor's failure to set up a fully functioning and compliant Title IX office was extremely out of the norm and abhorrent compared to other colleges. There are currently 360 schools under investigation for Title IX failings, including 3 other Big 12 schools the last time I counted. To my knowledge, Baylor is the only to fire its president.

Before anyone says that Baylor's must have been the worst, go take a look at some of the accusations being leveled at other schools by the Feds. Kansas State has 4 federal investigations, a few lawsuits and has been fighting tooth and nail to say that they don't owe victims who were raped off campus any kind of investigation in to what happened. Their president is safe.

For anyone curious:

https://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/

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Agree

I think Baylor's 90% looks and feels like what is going around every university in the Nation. That does not make it right, but it is just not something that grabs the media.

RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

---

The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

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Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

---

The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

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Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

ramsower: had authority over PD & JA. I'm glad he is now 'moving back to the classroom' but that is an incredibly soft landing for this clown

regents: especially those on the athletics committee & whatever committee was in charge of JA/T9 compliance

who was in charge of training for T9?

who made the decisions to let the 90% of cases that should have been investigated just slide on by? surely it was more than just one guy.

I agree with the decisions the bor made to terminate briles, starr, mccaw, etc. They just didn't do nearly enough. Why didn't heads roll on the admin side? If Briles was the last to know, that means the assistants knew--but all were retained. Why? Just to win football games? That's sure what it looks like to me.

Agreed all around. Definitely not saying it's okay. It just blows my mind that so many people have their pitchforks out for Baylor and think they really care about Title IX, but completely 100% ignore anything Title IX related when it doesn't benefit their football team.

D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

---

The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

---

Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

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So when Doak discouraged victims to report because they were drunk, they blamed that on Briles?

Kinda of a reach there

LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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ramsower: had authority over PD & JA. I'm glad he is now 'moving back to the classroom' but that is an incredibly soft landing for this clown

regents: especially those on the athletics committee & whatever committee was in charge of JA/T9 compliance

who was in charge of training for T9?

who made the decisions to let the 90% of cases that should have been investigated just slide on by? surely it was more than just one guy.

I agree with the decisions the bor made to terminate briles, starr, mccaw, etc. They just didn't do nearly enough. Why didn't heads roll on the admin side? If Briles was the last to know, that means the assistants knew--but all were retained. Why? Just to win football games? That's sure what it looks like to me.

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I have a problem with the conspiracy theories, these are the right questions.

Will this be the first 1,000 post thread on Baylorfans 2.0?

Keyser Soze said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

---

The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

---

Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

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So when Doak discouraged victims to report because they were drunk, they blamed that on Briles?

Kinda of a reach there

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I don't believe you are quite understanding the point. Go evaluate the media narrative. Go and look at how the communication on the part of the university actually functioned to drive the media narrative and the public perception starting in August 2015. I am not saying the BOR and administration had some master plan (I don't think they had a plan at all) to focus the attention on Briles and football, but, if one was to design a master plan to use Briles and football as a scapegoat, it would pretty much mirror what the university did.

Jacques Strap said:

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Will this be the first 1,000 post thread on Baylorfans 2.0?

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The horse is only slightly dead

Keyser Soze said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Will this be the first 1,000 post thread on Baylorfans 2.0?

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The horse is only slightly dead

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It won't be dead unless and until CMR wins an undisputed a Big 12 title and has a Heisman winner, so I expect it to go on for a while.

D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

---

The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

---

Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

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So when Doak discouraged victims to report because they were drunk, they blamed that on Briles?

Kinda of a reach there

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I don't believe you are quite understanding the point. Go evaluate the media narrative. Go and look at how the communication on the part of the university actually functioned to drive the media narrative and the public perception starting in August 2015. I am not saying the BOR and administration had some master plan (I don't think they had a plan at all) to focus the attention on Briles and football, but, if one was to design a master plan to use Briles and football as a scapegoat, it would pretty much mirror what the university did.

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I think we may just have some differences in definition of scapegoat.

I consider a scapegoat part of a plan. Deliberate action to deflect other places.

Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that.

Keyser Soze said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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RightRevBear said:

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OldSchoolBU said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

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The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

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Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

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So when Doak discouraged victims to report because they were drunk, they blamed that on Briles?

Kinda of a reach there

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I don't believe you are quite understanding the point. Go evaluate the media narrative. Go and look at how the communication on the part of the university actually functioned to drive the media narrative and the public perception starting in August 2015. I am not saying the BOR and administration had some master plan (I don't think they had a plan at all) to focus the attention on Briles and football, but, if one was to design a master plan to use Briles and football as a scapegoat, it would pretty much mirror what the university did.

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I think we may just have some differences in definition of scapegoat.

I consider a scapegoat part of a plan. Deliberate action to deflect other places.

Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that.

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Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between deliberate deflection and simple incompetence. Neverthess, both paths lead to Briles specifically and football generally serving to take the blame for wider institutional failures.

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

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The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

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Who was shielded and what did they do?

One of the worst offenders looks like the Baylor PD Chief - he slipped out the back via retirement before everything hit the fan. Not sure he did anything wrong, but the head of Judicial Affairs has changed as well.

One of the biggest problems was Baylor did not have people for Title IX to do the job in the first place - they fired Starr for that.

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You're not sure if the head of JA did anything wrong, and it "looks like" the former police chief was "retired" (but that is not entirely clear), but it was made abundantly clear that the head football coach is a bad, bad man.

Scapegoating: a person or group that is made to bear blame for others.

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So when Doak discouraged victims to report because they were drunk, they blamed that on Briles?

Kinda of a reach there

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I don't believe you are quite understanding the point. Go evaluate the media narrative. Go and look at how the communication on the part of the university actually functioned to drive the media narrative and the public perception starting in August 2015. I am not saying the BOR and administration had some master plan (I don't think they had a plan at all) to focus the attention on Briles and football, but, if one was to design a master plan to use Briles and football as a scapegoat, it would pretty much mirror what the university did.

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I think we may just have some differences in definition of scapegoat.

I consider a scapegoat part of a plan. Deliberate action to deflect other places.

Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that.

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Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between deliberate deflection and simple incompetence. Neverthess, both paths lead to Briles specifically and football generally serving to take the blame for wider institutional failures.

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Kinda binary for me, but we are reasonably close.

Which will never get this thread to 1K

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Will this be the first 1,000 post thread on Baylorfans 2.0?

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The horse is only slightly dead

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It won't be dead unless and until CMR wins an undisputed a Big 12 title and has a Heisman winner, so I expect it to go on for a while.

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his second

"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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RightRevBear said:

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you cannot put the genie back in the bottle again. Bringing back Briles was not possible from December 2015 and on. The die was cast. He would have been forced out one way or another. I'm in the camp that he deserves another chance to coach and that CFL situation was nonsense. But not surprising given this weak minded generation.

Do we have to revisit this nonsense after every loss? Repeat after me. THE PAST IS LAST. Matt Rhule is our coach for the foreseeable future. He will win and he will win big. Quit sucking off the teat of some romantic notion that he was irreplaceable. He allowed Baylor fans to envision what was possible and he was the catalyst for lots of action. Some of it good.

Matt Rhule will build on his legacy.

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The die might have been cast, but it doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off at my university for purposefully misleading (same as lying in my book) about Briles. It doesn't mean that I can't be pissed that Baylor wants to blame it sexual assault mishandling on the athletics department when it only composed of 10% of the cases. Baylor doesn't care about the other 90% because they left those people in place.

THIS TRANSCENDS FOOTBALL, AND IT IS HARD TO BE A FAN OF SUCH AN INSTITUTION. I WOULD TRADE EVERY FUTURE WIN WE HAVE FOR THIS TO BE MADE RIGHT AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS AT BAYLOR WHICH INCLUDES THE RAPE VICTIMS AND THE FALL GUYS.

Old School it is hard for me to move past it and support Rhule as great of a guy as he seems when I am so disgusted at how the BOR handled this situation.

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They really said that?

Baylor failed to effectively implement Title IX in the wake of the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) April 4, 2011 "Dear Colleague Letter," the passage of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA), and related authority and guidance. While individual administrators identified emerging and evolving Title IX and VAWA requirements, the University as a whole failed to prioritize Title IX implementation.

Baylor's institutional response failed to integrate Title IX and VAWA requirements.

Baylor's senior leadership lacked consistent or meaningful engagement in the University's Title IX functions. The composition and functioning of the Executive Council did not provide effective leadership for integration of Title IX compliance responsibilities across all University functions.

The University did not provide sufficient institutional support for Title IX functions. Prior to November 2014, the Title IX Coordinator position was assigned to senior administrators, each of whom already had a full profile of professional responsibilities.

Prior to the 2014-2015 academic year, Baylor failed to conduct adequate training and education for its students and employees, and Baylor had not created an atmosphere that fostered reporting and participation in the Title IX process

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I read the FoF also, but they only fired people from the Athletic Dept., except for Starr. They didn't resign or fire other admins. that screwed up. The actions that they took to shield themselves and their friends from the media was to throw the football team and staff under the bus

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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SHO DID

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I think it's interesting that the FoF reads like Baylor's failure to set up a fully functioning and compliant Title IX office was extremely out of the norm and abhorrent compared to other colleges. There are currently 360 schools under investigation for Title IX failings, including 3 other Big 12 schools the last time I counted. To my knowledge, Baylor is the only to fire its president.

Before anyone says that Baylor's must have been the worst, go take a look at some of the accusations being leveled at other schools by the Feds. Kansas State has 4 federal investigations, a few lawsuits and has been fighting tooth and nail to say that they don't owe victims who were raped off campus any kind of investigation in to what happened. Their president is safe.

For anyone curious:

https://projects.chronicle.com/titleix/

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Yet another example of how the BOR has horribly mismanaged this entire ordeal. Of course, the BOR wrote the FoF first and foremost to try to justify their decision to fire Briles and Starr. That's why they made everything sound way worse than it was. But they are so shockingly unaware of how things are perceived outside of their little bubble that they actually believed this would result in the media and the rest of the world giving them a giant pat on the back for "doing the right thing". The exact opposite happened, of course. Hard to believe they could've been that clueless. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. And if most of them weren't still on the board.

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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Robemcdo said:

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Almost equally difficult when libel did occur. The statements in the letter at the top of this thread tend to indicate that some libel very likely did occur on the part of Baylor officials and it would not be an easy case for the defendants. Certainly, if those statements are true, we have seen plenty of libel in the public discussion and coverage of the case.

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Phil Bennett says what's up!!!!
Serious question would the media or has the media asked any former players their opinions about Coach and if they did would they report on it? Doesn't grab headlines. So we don't know who has and who hasn't taken up for him. I know the assistant coaches on his staff are 100% behind him. Now that I think about it lets reverse your statements and tell me of ONE former player or coach that has come out and said that yea there was some bad stuff that went on and was overlooked. I will wait for anyone's answer to that.
Liberty

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Almost equally difficult when libel did occur. The statements in the letter at the top of this thread tend to indicate that some libel very likely did occur on the part of Baylor officials and it would not be an easy case for the defendants. Certainly, if those statements are true, we have seen plenty of libel in the public discussion and coverage of the case.

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That theory would be much better if the scope was not so narrow and it existed in closer proximity timewise to Briles dropping his lawsuit.

Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Almost equally difficult when libel did occur. The statements in the letter at the top of this thread tend to indicate that some libel very likely did occur on the part of Baylor officials and it would not be an easy case for the defendants. Certainly, if those statements are true, we have seen plenty of libel in the public discussion and coverage of the case.

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That theory would be much better if the scope was not so narrow and it existed in closer proximity timewise to Briles dropping his lawsuit.

Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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It is your belief that Baylor's attorney provide a false letter because Baylor was afraid that John Eddie Williams would withhold money?

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ramsower: had authority over PD & JA. I'm glad he is now 'moving back to the classroom' but that is an incredibly soft landing for this clown

regents: especially those on the athletics committee & whatever committee was in charge of JA/T9 compliance

who was in charge of training for T9?

who made the decisions to let the 90% of cases that should have been investigated just slide on by? surely it was more than just one guy.

I agree with the decisions the bor made to terminate briles, starr, mccaw, etc. They just didn't do nearly enough. Why didn't heads roll on the admin side? If Briles was the last to know, that means the assistants knew--but all were retained. Why? Just to win football games? That's sure what it looks like to me.

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Isn't it strange that those who were responsible for implementing the DC guidance letter remain unscathed, with the single exception of Starr. It is egregious that the BOR took no actions against either RR or themselves.

Expect no answers to your who questions - the BOR meets under the Cone of Silence.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Almost equally difficult when libel did occur. The statements in the letter at the top of this thread tend to indicate that some libel very likely did occur on the part of Baylor officials and it would not be an easy case for the defendants. Certainly, if those statements are true, we have seen plenty of libel in the public discussion and coverage of the case.

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That theory would be much better if the scope was not so narrow and it existed in closer proximity timewise to Briles dropping his lawsuit.

Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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It is your belief that Baylor's attorney provide a false letter because Baylor was afraid that John Eddie Williams would withhold money?

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I don't think the letter is false at all.

It is just very narrow in scope.

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LateSteak69 said:

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There is 2 things that are most damning to me of CAB-

Not ONE of his former players, NFL employed or not, has taken up for CAB. Not one.
Not ONE of his former coaches has publicly taken up for him. The dip**** #CAB wristbands do not count.

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Thats not true, all of the coaches sent out a mass tweet defending him.

And former player Elliot Coffey had a lot more to say:

http://video.houstonchronicle.com/Elliot-Coffey-Interview-on-Art-Briles-30875288

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very strong statements by Coffey. I had not heard that before. He addressed something I have wondered about: surely there was locker room talk about sexual assaults/cover up, especially considering #s thrown around in lawsuit pleadings (which we all know are the gospel truth).

It seems to me that if all these rapes/gang rapes/parties where girls are drugged are going on and being covered up left and right, surely there was talk about this in the locker room? videos being shared etc--no way a bunch of college kids keep this a secret, they have to talk about it right?

Apparently not. Very interesting.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Robemcdo said:

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"Now if you tell me "the media has made Briles the scapegoat for all of Baylor's problems" that is fair. Plenty to hang around his neck, but he does not deserve that."

Media didn't make Briles the scapegoat. A few members of the BOR have done that. Media was after two things...Starr (for Clinton), Christians (obvious motive), and Art and football were collateral damage. The fact that it ruined Baylor football at a time they were outdistancing UT was just a bonus.

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Briles and Shillinglaw should have no problems winning in court

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It is incredibly difficult to win a libel suit in the United States (as it should be).

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True, super difficult when no libel occurred

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Almost equally difficult when libel did occur. The statements in the letter at the top of this thread tend to indicate that some libel very likely did occur on the part of Baylor officials and it would not be an easy case for the defendants. Certainly, if those statements are true, we have seen plenty of libel in the public discussion and coverage of the case.

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That theory would be much better if the scope was not so narrow and it existed in closer proximity timewise to Briles dropping his lawsuit.

Just spitballing, but I wonder if the letter is tied to Briles' supporter JEW and his withheld financial pledge.

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It is your belief that Baylor's attorney provide a false letter because Baylor was afraid that John Eddie Williams would withhold money?

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I don't think the letter is false at all.

It is just very narrow in scope.

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There a a lot of other statements that Baylor made that were very narrow in scope, and there were a lot of statements that were made that seemed designed to create the impression that the statements in letter were, in fact, false. Libel by omission or libel by implication are also forms of libel.