Oh and quit acting like we don't know that prosecutors lie and hide evidence. I have a friend from high school that was on America's Most Wanted after fleeing a 70 year sentence. He is free today with a fat settlement. Personally, I find you about as convincing as Sam U's jury found Peni Tagive. So I argue with your statements.

Brenda thinks every last one of us is a rapist. Seriously who gives a *****

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You guys seem to not understand that there isn't a cure for stupid.

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Brenda thinks every last one of us is a rapist. Seriously who gives a *****

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Did I bump my head or are you just making great posts tonight?

I always make great posts. When you bumped your head and precisely what effect it had are outside of my admittedly broad expertise.

*** are you talking about slappie? Would you go to trial if you know you were gonna lose? Or if you know you could cheat to win?

Our BOI is unbelievable....ruining a top 10 program and flushed 9 figures down the toilet.

Think it's past your bedtime.. have you taken your vitamins?

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*** are you talking about slappie? Would you go to trial if you know you were gonna lose? Or if you know you could cheat to win?

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If I had a huge county budget behind me, then I may do both. Of course, your definition of cheating is a little strange. I would challenge witnesses and remind them of the penalties of perjury. I would hire evidence experts that supported my theories. That isn't necessarily cheating.

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Think it's past your bedtime.. have you taken your vitamins?

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Is steak a vitamin?

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*** are you talking about slappie? Would you go to trial if you know you were gonna lose? Or if you know you could cheat to win?

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If I had a huge county budget behind me, then I may do both. Of course, your definition of cheating is a little strange. I would challenge witnesses and remind them of the penalties of perjury. I would hire evidence experts that supported my theories. That isn't necessarily cheating.

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But what if you had direct evidence that supported the witness? Would you threaten him with perjury like they did to Peni Tagive? If so you're just as rotten and corrupt as those prosecutors

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i wish

who cares? He is not our coach and will never be our coach again. He poorly managed a really good job and he got fired for it. The rest is legalese. And Brenda Tracy is one of the stupidest, most duplicitous, attention hounds on the planet. Pay her no mind, she is irrelevant without Baylor. Don't keep making her relevant by giving her any attention.

Matt Rhule is our coach. All aboard the Rhule train! Choo, Choo! I'm ready for some football.

I care

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As baylorfans continue to cling to the hope that one of their most successful coaches is a scoundrel .

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Like I said, there are some of us that quit giving a damn about the guy when he *****d himself out to the UT crowd. Pure genius response when he was confronted by the reporter in Phoenix.

Even his players called him out for it.

BU: we have to settle. We don't remember what we said, what we said we said, what we said we remembered saying or what we said about what he said about us remembering what we may or may not have said. I SAID GET ME THAT DAMN CHECKBOOK! NOW!!!

If they dropped this the Friday before the Liberty game just imagine what is going to drop before a big conference game.

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That fall, Elliott had attendance problems, was in danger of flunking his human performance class and was caught cheating on quizzes. This violated President Starr's probation orders and Elliott's academic plan. But two top Athletics officials shrugged it off. "Wow, what is this kid thinking?" an Athletics Department official wrote on October 21, 2011 to his boss, Ian McCaw. "Unbelievable!" McCaw replied. The Athletics Department's unwillingness to crack down enabled Elliott to stay at Baylor and play football.

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At most schools, it isn't the job of the athletics department to handle academic probation. I'm assuming that was also the case at Baylor. Now that evidence is coming out exonerating Briles, it's going to be interesting to see what the future holds. The Ticats have to be kicking themselves.

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He poorly managed a really good job and he got fired for it.

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If Baylor is a "good job", Art Briles is the reason. Prior to his arrival, Baylor was undisputedly the worst job in the Big 12, and the running for one of the worst jobs in FBS.

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That fall, Elliott had attendance problems, was in danger of flunking his human performance class and was caught cheating on quizzes. This violated President Starr's probation orders and Elliott's academic plan. But two top Athletics officials shrugged it off. "Wow, what is this kid thinking?" an Athletics Department official wrote on October 21, 2011 to his boss, Ian McCaw. "Unbelievable!" McCaw replied. The Athletics Department's unwillingness to crack down enabled Elliott to stay at Baylor and play football.

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At most schools, it isn't the job of the athletics department to handle academic probation. I'm assuming that was also the case at Baylor. Now that evidence is coming out exonerating Briles, it's going to be interesting to see what the future holds. The Ticats have to be kicking themselves.

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The TiCats are the organizatiin thst rekeased the letter to the media.

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He poorly managed a really good job and he got fired for it.

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If Baylor is a "good job", Art Briles is the reason. Prior to his arrival, Baylor was undisputedly the worst job in the Big 12, and the running for one of the worst jobs in FBS.

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Let me ask you some questions.

Did Baylor pay Art Briles as a top 5 coach in college football? At $6 million per year?

Did Baylor donors and the school invest close to $500 million in facilities for football under Art Briles watch at Baylor?

Did Baylor allow Art Briles to hire his family to full salaried coaching positions?

Does Baylor reside in Central Texas one of the top 5 recruiting grounds in these United States of America where nearly 200 division 1 football players are in a 3 hour radius?

Was Baylor able to hire a well qualified coach and athletic director in the midst of a scandal that happened under Art Briles watch? Were they able to hire a coach that Oregon offered the job to, a consistent top 10 football program in the last decade who has the full faith and financial support of Nike?

People can remain committed followers to the cult of Briles if they want to. I will defend to my death the right of people to be simpletons. People can curl up in a fetal position and suck their thumb and long for the past. I enjoyed the hell out of Briles on the field teams. But let's not pretend he is some uncompensated martyr here who Baylor will not survive without. He was a hired gun who tried to leave for Texas Tech twice and Texas once. He cared about Baylor as long as the checks kept rolling in. But his actions of bringing in 10-15 players that most programs would not touch showed a disregard for Baylor. He was a grown man, he knew the risks.

Time to turn the page boys and girls. Live in the past if you want. I'm going to enjoy what Matt Rhule is building and looking forward to putting my full support behind him. Be a champion!

I am not expressing any opinion here. Like many I still wonder where the truth lies. That said, here is what appeared in today's Waco Trib:

Baylor letter supporting Briles contrasts prior legal filings
Shelly Conlon|11 hours ago
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Baylor University is standing behind a letter written in May to former head football coach Art Briles that states the school is unaware of Briles having direct contact with anyone reporting a sexual assault to him or of Briles directly discouraging a victim from reporting to police or university officials, a Baylor spokesman said Friday.

The letter was released to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram by the Canadian Football League this week, Briles' attorney Mark Lanier told the Tribune-Herald on Friday. It is dated May 23 and signed by Baylor University's general counsel, Chris Holmes. The letter to Briles, referring to the sexual assault scandal and ensuing investigations and lawsuits, states: "As you speak with others regarding these issues, you can be assured you may make certain statements without fear of contradiction from Baylor based on the information currently known to us.

"In particular, at this time we are unaware of any situation where you personally had contact with anyone who directly reported to you being the victim of sexual assault or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or University officials. Nor are we aware of any situation where you played a student athlete who had been found responsible for sexual assault.

"We wish you the very best in your future endeavors."

The support for Briles stands in stark contrast to a legal filing by three Baylor regents in February that painted the coach in a negative light regarding his potential involvement in the sexual assault scandal, potentially tarnishing his reputation. The filing focused primarily on Briles' reaction to football players' disciplinary issues not directly related to sexual assault.

"Baylor University stands behind the letter, and we also stand behind the decisions that were made regarding the changes within the football program," Baylor spokesman Jason Cook said.

Briles was hired as an assistant coach by the CFL's Hamilton Tiger-Cats earlier this week, only to see the team and league backtrack on the decision the same day following public outcry.

Briles was fired by Baylor in May 2016 after an investigation by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton found the school mishandled numerous sexual assault allegations, several of which involved football players. It found the football program was "operating above the rules."

The letter doesn't acknowledge potentially damning text messages sent between Briles, former athletics staffer Colin Shilllinglaw and other high-level officials appearing to try to cover up or keep quiet reported crimes committed by football players, according to the legal filing by three Baylor regents in February.

The text messages included Briles' responses to incidents like disciplining a player who allegedly asked for sexual favors from a masseuse by asking if the masseuse was a stripper, and keeping a situation involving the arrest of a player threatening to kill a non-athlete quiet. Filings in the lawsuit also alleged gang rapes that were reported to Briles and other athletics department staffers.

Referring to a letter Briles sent to Baylor constituents March 1, the newly released letter states, "We appreciate the spirit and tone of your message to the Baylor community in support of the university's efforts to address sexual violence and the ongoing healing process within our community.

"As Baylor University continues to respond to various investigations and lawsuits, your continued cooperation in sharing honestly and completely the facts of which you are aware will be of great importance."

Lanier said Friday that most of the information and allegations known by the public came from lawyers, victims and what he said were false media reports, not from Baylor or his client. The letter is "dead-on accurate" and a reflection of the truth regarding his client and the unfair portrayal of the university, he said.

Lanier acknowledged how damaging the legal filings have been for Briles and others.

"The problem is, in America you can say anything in a lawsuit and not be sued for slander or libel," Lanier said. "It's destroyed Art Briles' reputation, it's destroyed Baylor's reputation and it's hurt Ken Starr."

Starr, the former president of the university, was removed from the presidency the same day Briles was fired.

The school is has been named in 10 Title IX lawsuits related to the scandal, with three settled and seven active. The most recent such suit was filed Friday, and the lawyer for a former acrobatics and tumbling coach said they will file a Title IX suit next week. Briles was recently dismissed as a defendant in one of the suits that settled and tried to sue Baylor University officials for libel, but the suit was later dropped. He has consistently denied allegations made against him.

Briles will continue to try to find a coaching job and hopes a school will hire him after looking deeply at the truth of allegations that have been made against him since his firing at Baylor, Lanier said.

"Coach Briles has a couple of passions in his life. His passions include the school, not just the football program," Lanier said. "His passion is also coaching, and it's just a crying shame he's been tarred and feathered for one of his passions - the students. And he's been removed from his other passion, which is coaching."

Officials with the Canadian Football League did not return calls and emails seeking comment by Friday evening.

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*** are you talking about slappie? Would you go to trial if you know you were gonna lose? Or if you know you could cheat to win?

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If I had a huge county budget behind me, then I may do both. Of course, your definition of cheating is a little strange. I would challenge witnesses and remind them of the penalties of perjury. I would hire evidence experts that supported my theories. That isn't necessarily cheating.

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You need an honest judge to do the things you mentioned

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Think it's past your bedtime.. have you taken your vitamins?

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No, but bacon is. I promise.

Here is a real simple summary


Baylor: Coach Briles did "A" "B" & "C"

Lazy media, haters, social media: Briles did "D"

Baylor letter: Briles did not do "D"

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Time to turn the page boys and girls. Live in the past if you want. I'm going to enjoy what Matt Rhule is building and looking forward to putting my full support behind him. Be a champion!

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Quite the utilitarian approach. That's fine for some I suppose, I'll continue to defend the reputation of a good man, unfairly smeared and used as a scapegoat by his former employer.

As far as champions go, I'm going to go out on a limb: a Rhule coached team at Baylor will lever win the Big 12, let alone be invited to the CFP.

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He poorly managed a really good job and he got fired for it.

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If Baylor is a "good job", Art Briles is the reason. Prior to his arrival, Baylor was undisputedly the worst job in the Big 12, and the running for one of the worst jobs in FBS.

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Time to turn the page boys and girls. Live in the past if you want. I'm going to enjoy what Matt Rhule is building and looking forward to putting my full support behind him. Be a champion!

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Just keep that head of yours buried deep down in the sand until the next scandal

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Time to turn the page boys and girls. Live in the past if you want. I'm going to enjoy what Matt Rhule is building and looking forward to putting my full support behind him. Be a champion!

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Quite the utilitarian approach. That's fine for some I suppose, I'll continue to defend the reputation of a good man, unfairly smeared and used as a scapegoat by his former employer.

As far as champions go, I'm going to go out on a limb: a Rhule coached team at Baylor will lever win the Big 12, let alone be invited to the CFP.

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sounds like what you are hoping for. Winning championships is hard and I will give Briles credit for getting two. Monumental accomplishment despite losing the bowl games those years.

when Briles lands a job at whatever high school, juco or division II program he lands at, you can follow him around like a groupie and reminisce about the good old days. Have fun, I will be at Baylor games rooting on my Bears. And that starts in about 5 minutes as I make my way to Waco.

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If Baylor is a "good job", Art Briles is the reason. Prior to his arrival, Baylor was undisputedly the worst job in the Big 12, and the running for one of the worst jobs in FBS.

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Time to turn the page boys and girls. Live in the past if you want. I'm going to enjoy what Matt Rhule is building and looking forward to putting my full support behind him. Be a champion!

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Just keep that head of yours buried deep down in the sand until the next scandal

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Here is a real simple summary


Baylor: Coach Briles did "A" "B" & "C"

Lazy media, haters, social media: Briles did "D"

Baylor letter: Briles did not do "D"

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I just hope he didn't do any of the really bad letters, like "Y." "Y" is a two-faced letter. Now the liberals will tell you that it's just versatile, or they will say that a letter's speech sounds are not predetermined, and that they can transition from consonant to vowel or vice versa anytime they want. I think "Y" is trying to hide something.

BTW, KS, exactly what are the "A," "B," and "C" that Baylor said Briles did? And don't say he created a "culture." That doesn't have anything to do with Bayor's FOF dealing with "the university's response" and its "obligations" under Title IX. What did BAYLOR say he did that in any way warrants the way he has been treated? Also, I would like to know if you think that the way he has been treated by the SJWs and the media would have been different if the contents of that letter had been a part of the official release when Baylor bought out his contract.

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Confirmation Bias: where you listen to evidence that supports your belief, and disregard any evidence that contradicts it.

I wouldn't expect BT to be aware of any cognitive biases she may suffer from.

Apparently, it is those sponsors and tv networks that don't want to do business with Briles.
They understand the reasons why Gotti would love Briles. Those two had similar organizational set ups.

Great day yesterday in the Brenda v. Briles or anyone associated with him. How in the world did her crazy opinion become noteworthy? Most people ignore her types only for about 30 minutes.

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Brenda has issues that cannot be resolved even with the retribution tour she is on.

She is mentally ill at some level, and simply is hunting revenge at this stage.

There are legit people who are in her "industry" that deal in reform, forgiveness and reconciliation. Brenda is only about payback, paycheck, unforgiveness, retribution, then blackballing the subjects of her ire.

The saddest part of her shtick is that she seems to dole out forgiveness liberally to the corrupt big boys of football who have taken the time to grease $$$$$$$$ her wheels.



At some point even the SJW crowd will realize she is crazy.