Gameday Thread: Baylor Faces Oklahoma State on Homecoming

morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the next 13 months will change my mind.

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What do you consider a bunch of wins?

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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When Sawyer throws for +2,000 yards in back to back seasons, we can discuss putting him above Seth.

When he throws for +4000 yards and +30 TDs, we can discuss putting him above Nick.

Until then, post less.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum and that's saying something. Seth Russel is with RG3 on talent level. Petty below them. Robertson is right there with Nick probably. Not near as accurate down field but he is still youngish.

jikespingleton said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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What do you consider a bunch of wins?

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If he wins 12 of the next 16 in-season games, he'll get my full support. 11 is borderline and 10 or less is a no.

morethanhecouldbear said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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When Sawyer throws for +2,000 yards in back to back seasons, we can discuss putting him above Seth.

When he throws for +4000 yards and +30 TDs, we can discuss putting him above Nick.

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Don't forget: Seth had short seasons both years he was a starter because of season ending injuries.

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— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 26, 2024

You can’t stop me 😤

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— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

Elite Company. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/nVuKdnGauM

— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

Love it

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— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 26, 2024

historian said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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When Sawyer throws for +2,000 yards in back to back seasons, we can discuss putting him above Seth.

When he throws for +4000 yards and +30 TDs, we can discuss putting him above Nick.

Until then, post less.

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Don't forget: Seth had short seasons both years he was a starter because of season ending injuries.

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That's a good point. I remember that ankle injury in the OU game and Mayfield and some other OU players went out of their way to come over to show him support. It was a devastating injury..

morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

Cool angle

Climbin’ the ladder 🚀#SicEm | @ashtynhawkins pic.twitter.com/vFuI4eoLOc

— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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I used to think of things like that. However today with the transfer portals and draw of more NIL, that has changed to 'what have you done for me lately'. Not sure how its going to all pan out.

No one knows. That's one reason Nick Saban retired.

historian said:

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No one knows. That's one reason Nick Saban retired.

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We are in a flux for all the schools playing NCAA football. Not sure how the lower D2 schools do it, but for sure the D1 level programs.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

Assassin said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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I used to think of things like that. However today with the transfer portals and draw of more NIL, that has changed to 'what have you done for me lately'. Not sure how its going to all pan out.

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We do have some precedent this past season when we returned almost all of the players we wanted to retain following a 3-9 season. Talent retention has been one of Aranda's biggest strengths to date, especially since we started opening the checkbook on NIL.

Say hello to @BUFootball RB Dawson Pendergrass who closed the door on a Homecoming win for the Baylor Bears.

6 carries 142 Rushing yards 1 TD

That’s 23.7 yards per carry. 🤯

You can feel the fire on this run 🤯 pic.twitter.com/lCw2cZpwO9

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) October 27, 2024

At the end, SOS will be in our favor. That said, we have showm improvement especially on the OL. I would give Dave another year.

I think losing the Colorado game was an unforgivable coaching failure, but If he can win 7 in a row, I think that's good enough to keep him around for at least another year.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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He needs to beat tcu first. Get over that hurdle and we'll talk.

One game at a time

Livin’ it up in the stands #SicEm pic.twitter.com/dRzqZY709O

— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 26, 2024

bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

BUATX2000 said:

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I think losing the Colorado game was an unforgivable coaching failure, but If he can win 7 in a row, I think that's good enough to keep him around for at least another year.

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I'm probably never really going to be excited about Aranda, but I'm with you-7 wins in a row would be the only way I'd want him back, and even then I wouldn't be screaming for the rafters for him to return.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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It really sounds like a lot of people here were rooting for us to lose.

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A lot of us just want to win, and we believe (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid of Aranda is the best way to accopmplish that. We have been wrong the past 2 weeks. But the problem you're overlooking is that we are in year 5.

I don't really like Aranda and there's a chance I never will. I was probably on the verge of wanting Baylor to lose.. For me, I either want wins or for us to get obliterated. And you know what? I don't give a rat's you know what what you think about that. I don't think Aranda is a great head coach, but it sounds like you're pretty sold on him. So sold that you tend to just trash others who disagree. It's not good enough for you to express your opinion-you must then proceed to trash others for their opinions. Getting old.

Everyone has a right to an opinion without being called out by high and mighty know it all's.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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It really sounds like a lot of people here were rooting for us to lose.

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A lot of us just want to win, and we believe (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid of Aranda is the best way to accopmplish that. We have been wrong the past 2 weeks. But the problem you're overlooking is that we are in year 5.

I don't really like Aranda and there's a chance I never will. I was probably on the verge of wanting Baylor to lose.. For me, I either want wins or for us to get obliterated. And you know what? I don't give a rat's you know what what you think about that. I don't think Aranda is a great head coach, but it sounds like you're pretty sold on him. So sold that you tend to just trash others who disagree. It's not good enough for you to express your opinion-you must then proceed to trash others for their opinions. Getting old.

Everyone has a right to an opinion without being called out by high and mighty know it all's.

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I don't like him. I think he is weird and I am not sure he has a good eye for talent, but if he can win 7 games in a row, he has earned another year.

Great win for the Bears. Wish I could have seen it.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

boognish_bear said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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Not sure about putting him above Seth yet. Seth was a freak athlete. Such a shame he had the bad injuries.

But I think Sawyer is easily our best QB we've had in almost 10 years.

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I agree that Robertson is probably our most all around athletic QB since Russell, but there is no way I would rank him ahead of Russell. IMO Russell pre neck injury was the second best all around athlete to ever play the QB position at BU - only exceeded by RGIII. I'm convinced Russell would've led us to our 3rd straight B12 title and 1st CFP appearance in '15 had he not gone down. Robertson is however the most talented we've seen at the position in a long time - hopefully we can keep him healthy.

historian said:

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Elite Company. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/nVuKdnGauM

— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

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Early on we needed RG3s legs to extend plays. Then those that followed could sit in the pocket longer and through the bomb. Why? Better o/line play. Given current o/line I expect to see Robertson pad those rushing yards.