Shedeur Sanders draft stock

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boognish_bear
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I'll be interested to see where he ends up going and how he does as a pro. I just can't picture him being effective at the next level. He throws a good Hail Mary though.

Looks like he's being projected as a late 1st round or 2nd round pick.

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It only takes one team to pick him, and he gets attention.

I also saw a fairly legit reporter that the likely number 1 overall pick, Cam Ward, would be the 7th ranked qb if he were in last years' draft, according to one NFL scout.

Who knows. QBs are always a crapshoot anyway.
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Yeah...I've seen analysts saying Cam may be the only QB taken in round one.

A few have said they they could see NYG taking SS with the 3rd pick.
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boognish_bear said:

I'll be interested to see where he ends up going and how he does as a pro. I just can't picture him being effective at the next level. He throws a good Hail Mary though.

Looks like he's being projected as a late 1st round or 2nd round pick.


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I honestly wasn't that impressed with him when we played them. There were three or four plays where he broke through weak tackles and was able to find Travis Hunter or another receiver that would likely be sacks in the NFL. As for his last second Hail Mary….. Look, I don't want to sound butthurt, but we're talking about a Dave Aranda defense. Getting a chunk play in on us is not like breaking through the Maginot Line is what I'm saying

I can't speak on his attitude, but I've met Deion Sanders, and the guy oozes ego, so the comments about his interviewing poorly doesn't really surprise me. All in all, I think the guy has some talent, but he just looks like a generic spread quarterback that put up good stats in college that probably won't do anything at the next level. We've seen it a million times.

There's also a certain intuitive guess of looking at raw armed talent and inferring how that will project at the next level, and I don't see it with him. I saw the same issue with Bryce Young a couple years back, but Young has a lot better intangibles
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He's not really that fast either. Maybe Shilo inherited dad's speed.
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Considering the lengths NFL talent scouts will go to to hide their true intent, I wouldn't put stock in an offhand tweet (or any tweet for that matter).

It's a rare prospect that's NFL ready direct from college. That's rough, because NFL clubs at the top of the draft order like to pick QBs because it looks like it'll change the course of the franchise. Usually, these clubs are picking high because they suck. They usually suck that bad because they're historically mismanaged.

They're not one QB away from being competitive. They're a whole OL/DL secondary away from winning, and their salary cap is utterly demolished. A rookie QB can look forward to standing behind a leaky OL with no threat of a running game to slow down a defense. That's just no way to learn and grow.

What really should happen is these clubs should trade these picks for a whole host of lower level selections, focus on growing the lines with players under workable contracts, and make do with a journeyman QB that understands the game - even if he can't execute it at the highest level any more. In this draft, though, there's no final "missing piece" from some contender club that would want to trade multiple draft picks.

Shedur is particularly ill suited to the "running for your life" game plan. He's not particularly shifty or elusive. His throwing motion is ponderously slow. He doesn't historically see the entire field, but made a lot of yards chucking the ball in the direction of Travis Hunter. He frequently lost a ton of yards (or threw picks) not knowing when to give up on a play.

He could develop, but it's tough seeing him being picked by a team with time to develop him. Bad franchises are bad for a reason. Making exciting but flawed draft choices is a big one.
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boognish_bear said:

He's not really that fast either. Maybe Shilo inherited dad's speed.


His analysis from Lance Zeirlin on the NFL site comes across as really backhanded. He's given a first round grade, but his arm talent is referred to as "standard" (as in basic, not as in setting the standard), and the phrase "could become a solid game manager" is used. Not exactly something you want to hear for somebody that you would spend a first round pick on

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/shedeur-sanders/32005341-4e47-8221-56fd-8e3864421298
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Besides the questions about his ability, I would be wary of all the baggage he may carry from Deion. Shadeur may very well be far more well adjusted than his Dad, but I would be afraid some of the same negative personality traits may pop up, along with the perceived entitlement issues he may have. Some of that stuff works for a corner out on an island, but a qb needs to be a lot more level headed. And I wouldn't want Deion always looking over my coach's shoulder all he time.

In this draft and most drafts, I would not want to burn a high first round pick on a qb. I would try to find prospects later in the draft that have the right mentality and enough of the physical skills. It's not usually a great situation to be a rooking quarterback thrust into a starting job with high expectations on a team with too many flaws to support him and allow him to progress naturally.
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It will definitely be interesting seeing how the qb class gets drafted, or rather overdrafted.

It's a double whammy to feel the need to draft a starting qb, and also neglect a far more solid prospect that could have helped your team for a decade with that pick.

Nothing would really surprise me. The current buzz is Cam and number one, Sanders somewhere in the top 5. It would be fun to see all of that go up in smoke and see the qbs drop further and mix up the whole first round,

As a Cowboys fan, the more qbs drafted in the top 11 the better, to push down some great prospects they badly need.
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That dude just does not look like an NFL QB to me. But I also thought Kenny Pickett was a can't miss starter, so what do I know.
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Yeah....QBs are hard to predict.

I was sure Jalen Hurts wouldn't stick around long...and he's proved me wrong.
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They are digging deep checking on bday party attendance

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it would be hilarious if he went 4th round
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

That dude just does not look like an NFL QB to me. But I also thought Kenny Pickett was a can't miss starter, so what do I know.
bronny aint an NBA player, but thanks to his daddy, he is there. Shadeur will get drafted, not because of skill, but because of name. another example is Arch manning. he is good, but not 5* good. If you have the right last name, doors will open
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Can Jerry summon the strength to not draft a player that will bring national attention and a spotlight?
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I said back in August he would flop. Kid is the ultimate ME guy. And when the going gets tough we've seen him blame everyone but himself over and over again. His massive ego far outweighs his limited abilities
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boognish_bear said:

Yeah....QBs are hard to predict.

I was sure Jalen Hurts wouldn't stick around long...and he's proved me wrong.


Example of right fit for the right team and right coach and one unstoppable play. Not to mention Hurts works his butt off. He is also lucky to have been a second round pick and given a year to carry the clipboard and learn too.
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I will be surprised if SS doesn't wind up in the land of misfit toys...Cleveland.
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Hurts is also basically a running back in terms of build and skill set. One of those guys that isn't a great passer but makes up for it in every other way ala Tebow
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boognish_bear said:

Can Jerry summon the strength to not draft a player that will bring national attention and a spotlight?


Didn't his family have to practically sedate him to keep him from pulling the trigger on Johnny Manziel? Johnny was honestly a better prospect
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CMR a fan?

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Shedeur has some game, make no mistake. He could make a good NFL qb if he has the coachability and work ethic to refine his skills and work within a system. He's a bit of a gamer, he has some niftiness. But it would be best if he were a 5th round pick, not the most visible qb prospect in the draft with the star lineage and massive hype. It works against him.

If he's humble and level headed and has a great worth ethic, and has a couple of years to really progress in a system as a backup, he could end up having a nice career and end up a good NFL starter.

If he's buying into his media hype as Deion's kid, it's gonna be tough.
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One thing that hasn't been brought up yet...that teams are DEFINITELY factoring in...is that drafting SS means, good or bad, you are going to have to deal with Deion.

Deion has intimated multiple times that he has very specific demands concerning what situation his son winds up in. Then comes the constant speculation that Deion will be brought in to replace whoever the HC is.
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Hotsauce said:

One thing that hasn't been brought up yet...that teams are DEFINITELY factoring in...is that drafting SS means, good or bad, you are going to have to deal with Deion.

Deion has said intimated multiple times that he has very specific demands concerning what situation his son winds up in. Then comes the constant speculation that Deion will be brought in to replace whoever the HC is.


You are right. And that effect will be times 10,000 if he ends up in Dallas.
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boognish_bear said:

Hotsauce said:

One thing that hasn't been brought up yet...that teams are DEFINITELY factoring in...is that drafting SS means, good or bad, you are going to have to deal with Deion.

Deion has said intimated multiple times that he has very specific demands concerning what situation his son winds up in. Then comes the constant speculation that Deion will be brought in to replace whoever the HC is.


You are right. And that effect will be times 10,000 if he ends up in Dallas.
Which is why it ain't gonna happen. Jerry doesn't want somebody else with that kind of media gravitas constantly in his face, pushing an agenda and criticizing every move about his qb and how to make him succeed.

Plus, Dallas already traded a pick for a developmental guy, who, despite media hype, is very unlikely to be the number 2 qb. They are very unlikely to draft a qb. They still need to sign a veteran backup.
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Youre a clown said:

Hurts is also basically a running back in terms of build and skill set. One of those guys that isn't a great passer but makes up for it in every other way ala Tebow


At the end of the day, Hurts is a winner.

Make no mistake - He's no Brock Purdy, who is basically just along for the ride.

You don't make 2 Super Bowls in 3 years and win SB MVP by just being average.

Plus, he sure did have a pretty good arm when he helped thrash the 2-time defending Super Bowl Champs.

If we're talking about winning (which is ultimately the name of the game), then he is currently a Top-5 QB, and most definitely someone you want leading your Team.
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I was a big fan after the bowl game ... sort of did a 180 after the jersey retirement. Not convinced his talent would warrant to associated circus. I think it will be an adjustment not only going to the NFL but also going from being coached by dad and the entire program revolving around him.
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It appears that Pittsburgh may be his landing spot at 21.
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First Matt Rhule bombed terribly in the NFL, so his insights are worthless.

As for Little Deion Sanders, he's an entitlement case waiting to blow up a team. Wasting any 1st- 4th round pick on him would be a joke. Besides his daddy already honored his CU Jersey ahead of many great CU alumni. But if I had to place a bet, old Jerry Jones will pick him because his daddy begged Jerry to. He's too big a risk and will disrupt whatever team selected him.
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Space Cutter said:

First Matt Rhule bombed terribly in the NFL, so his insights are worthless.

As for Little Deion Sanders, he's an entitlement case waiting to blow up a team. Wasting any 1st- 4th round pick on him would be a joke. Besides his daddy already honored his CU Jersey ahead of many great CU alumni. But if I had to place a bet, old Jerry Jones will pick him because his daddy begged Jerry to. He's too big a risk and will disrupt whatever team selected him.
I was soooo disappointed when he through that beautiful pass as time expired to tie us before beating us in OT.

But overall, Travis Hunter made that team go. Without him, it would have been an easy BU win
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Assassin said:

Space Cutter said:

First Matt Rhule bombed terribly in the NFL, so his insights are worthless.

As for Little Deion Sanders, he's an entitlement case waiting to blow up a team. Wasting any 1st- 4th round pick on him would be a joke. Besides his daddy already honored his CU Jersey ahead of many great CU alumni. But if I had to place a bet, old Jerry Jones will pick him because his daddy begged Jerry to. He's too big a risk and will disrupt whatever team selected him.
I was soooo disappointed when he through that beautiful pass as time expired to tie us before beating us in OT.

But overall, Travis Hunter made that team go. Without him, it would have been an easy BU win
agreed- i wish we were playing colorado this year, because they are not going to be good.. easy win for BU
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Not gonna happen...but it would be hilarious if he just continued dropping into the 4th round while he's sitting in his custom made tree house

 
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