meh…..i'd say just tech

Realitybites said:

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True Grit said:

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It's embarrassing how far Tech has moved ahead of us.

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Tech...TCU...SMU...

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And unless you have a donor that will put out $20M or more (it will inflate as time goes on) for player salaries, they will stay ahead. It doesn't take a staff headed by the Saban's of the world to be able to win with that. It will be interesting to see if Campbell continues this on an ongoing basis. I would assume that he could, barring some major setback in his business or some type of legal difficulties. I guess it depends if he gets what he wants. The million dollar softball pitcher almost got them a national championship. Nothing really changed from the previous season except the infusion of a ridiculous amount of money. The coach didn't somehow become a genius over the off-season.

I just don't think you can make comparisons of this new "business" model for college football to the past. You have to decide how much you are willing to pay to play in this new world (at least as long as it lasts unregulated), and I think for universities there is a line that many just will not or can't cross....and I don't think they should. If you like professional sports, there is already a league for that. (I would just suggest you don't tie your emotions to one owned by Jerry Jones however. That brings more pain and frustration than Baylor athletics.)

I hope I am able to see where college football stands in 10 years. It is hard to believe that this thing will not eventually topple as it gets top-heavy. The question is.....what it becomes.

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True Grit said:

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It's embarrassing how far Tech has moved ahead of us.

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Texas A $ M and TT are solidly in the Top 10 and our Athletic Director is playing fashion police enforcer on the Baylor sideline. Yes, I am truly convinced that God hates us. We are Baylor.

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Top 10 of what? Who truly respects A&M and Tech?

Money can't buy class. Sure you can purchase fancy things, travel around, dress up, eat out, etc.

What about integrity, true social standing, respect?

Class is about your character, your values, and how you treat others. It's about respect, empathy, humility, and integrity.

I was fortunate to play on a Peach Bowl Champion TEAM and a Southwest Conference Champion TEAM. On January 1, 1981 in Dallas somebody forgot to tell Alabama we were 10-1, SWC Champs and an institution of football. They were not impressed.

Thee University said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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True Grit said:

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It's embarrassing how far Tech has moved ahead of us.

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Texas A $ M and TT are solidly in the Top 10 and our Athletic Director is playing fashion police enforcer on the Baylor sideline. Yes, I am truly convinced that God hates us. We are Baylor.

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Top 10 of what? Who truly respects A&M and Tech?

Money can't buy class. Sure you can purchase fancy things, travel around, dress up, eat out, etc.

What about integrity, true social standing, respect?

Class is about your character, your values, and how you treat others. It's about respect, empathy, humility, and integrity.

I was fortunate to play on a Peach Bowl Champion TEAM and a Southwest Conference Champion TEAM. On January 1, 1981 in Dallas somebody forgot to tell Alabama we were 10-1, SWC Champs and an institution of football. They were not impressed.

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. . . an aggy is still an aggy, Tech is still in Lubbock.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Thee University said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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True Grit said:

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It's embarrassing how far Tech has moved ahead of us.

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Texas A $ M and TT are solidly in the Top 10 and our Athletic Director is playing fashion police enforcer on the Baylor sideline. Yes, I am truly convinced that God hates us. We are Baylor.

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Top 10 of what? Who truly respects A&M and Tech?

Money can't buy class. Sure you can purchase fancy things, travel around, dress up, eat out, etc.

What about integrity, true social standing, respect?

Class is about your character, your values, and how you treat others. It's about respect, empathy, humility, and integrity.

I was fortunate to play on a Peach Bowl Champion TEAM and a Southwest Conference Champion TEAM. On January 1, 1981 in Dallas somebody forgot to tell Alabama we were 10-1, SWC Champs and an institution of football. They were not impressed.

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I kinda miss the "bad dudes". And winning.

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good lord is this Message Board Geniuses bait?!

blackie said:

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Realitybites said:

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True Grit said:

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It's embarrassing how far Tech has moved ahead of us.

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Tech...TCU...SMU...

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And unless you have a donor that will put out $20M or more (it will inflate as time goes on) for player salaries, they will stay ahead. It doesn't take a staff headed by the Saban's of the world to be able to win with that. It will be interesting to see if Campbell continues this on an ongoing basis. I would assume that he could, barring some major setback in his business or some type of legal difficulties. I guess it depends if he gets what he wants. The million dollar softball pitcher almost got them a national championship. Nothing really changed from the previous season except the infusion of a ridiculous amount of money. The coach didn't somehow become a genius over the off-season.

I just don't think you can make comparisons of this new "business" model for college football to the past. You have to decide how much you are willing to pay to play in this new world (at least as long as it lasts unregulated), and I think for universities there is a line that many just will not or can't cross....and I don't think they should. If you like professional sports, there is already a league for that. (I would just suggest you don't tie your emotions to one owned by Jerry Jones however. That brings more pain and frustration than Baylor athletics.)

I hope I am able to see where college football stands in 10 years. It is hard to believe that this thing will not eventually topple as it gets top-heavy. The question is.....what it becomes.

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This. To that end, McGuire is still the same coach he was over the previous 3 full seasons, and the only difference now is that his roster is much more expensive. That's literally it.

He was a pretty good coach last 3 years... And a very good one in Waco ... And a great one in high school.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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It’s hilarious how much A&M and Tech fans dislike each other. Like, they are the exact same people.

— Cougar Larry (@CougarLarry1984) November 10, 2025

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Tech has hotter girls and a better looking campus

Redbrickbear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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It’s hilarious how much A&M and Tech fans dislike each other. Like, they are the exact same people.

— Cougar Larry (@CougarLarry1984) November 10, 2025

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Tech has hotter girls and a better looking campus

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And zero aggys

Stefano DiMera said:

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He was a pretty good coach last 3 years... And a very good one in Waco ... And a great one in high school.

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Despite this being his fourth full season as a P4 HC, he's never put together a season worth any attention outside of Lubbock prior to this season as evidenced by him losing at least 5 games per season for each of those seasons and that is despite all of the super seniors that he inherited (11 super seniors on the 2022 team and 11 on the 2023 team; these numbers do not include normal seniors or normal redshirt seniors).

In Waco, was he the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator or was he the head coach? If the answer is "none of the above", it brings into question how he was a "very good" coach. By what metric?

He coached about every position there is, well versed on both sides of the ball, and was assistant head coach. He also was an extremely successful high school head coach, which matters. And he had plentiful Texas recruiting and coaching connections on top of all that, plus he had experience n in the Baylor culture and seemed to really like being there.

Dia del DougO said:

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He coached about every position there is, well versed on both sides of the ball, and was assistant head coach. He also was an extremely successful high school head coach, which matters. And he had plentiful Texas recruiting and coaching connections on top of all that, plus he had experience n in the Baylor culture and seemed to really like being there.

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Sure. The point here is that $28M+ inserted into virtually any roster in the Big 12 in a single offseason likely makes the program associated with that roster a favorite for the Big 12 title, and so the success of that roster would likely be more reflective of the impact of quality players vs. the ability of the coach to, well, coach. It's true in abstract, and, in the case of McGuire himself, shows the contrast between him turning 5+ loss seasons vs. what looks like it -should- be a 2-3 loss season.

boognish_bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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It’s hilarious how much A&M and Tech fans dislike each other. Like, they are the exact same people.

— Cougar Larry (@CougarLarry1984) November 10, 2025

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Tech has hotter girls and a better looking campus

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And zero aggys

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but oh that sand and wind

And that $28 million roster has to perform and money spent on people that will perform.. there's no guarantees.

The outside linebackers and tight ends were bright spots under him here.

I'm not going back and forth defending McGuire.. have you seen their records before he got there? It was like 8 straight years of 4-8 and 5-7 under Matt Wells and Klingsbury.

His first year he beat OU and Texas.. something that's never been done in Lubbock in the same year.

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Dia del DougO said:

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He coached about every position there is, well versed on both sides of the ball, and was assistant head coach. He also was an extremely successful high school head coach, which matters. And he had plentiful Texas recruiting and coaching connections on top of all that, plus he had experience n in the Baylor culture and seemed to really like being there.

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Sure. The point here is that $28M+ inserted into virtually any roster in the Big 12 in a single offseason likely makes the program associated with that roster a favorite for the Big 12 title, and so the success of that roster would likely be more reflective of the impact of quality players vs. the ability of the coach to, well, coach. It's true in abstract, and, in the case of McGuire himself, shows the contrast between him turning 5+ loss seasons vs. what looks like it -should- be a 2-3 loss season.

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I think the media hype was way ahead of their actual level, because that's what the media does. I never thought they were all that yet, but were certainly on a good trajectory. They look pretty dang good now.

But those programs are in conferences that have 4-5 other programs spending that on rosters hence more parity. 28 million goes a lot further in the XII when everyone else is spending 8-10 million on rosters.

Dia del DougO said:

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Other programs with similar resources are firing their head coaches now.

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Tech's schedule has been much easier than PSU, UF, or LSU's...

Redbrickbear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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It’s hilarious how much A&M and Tech fans dislike each other. Like, they are the exact same people.

— Cougar Larry (@CougarLarry1984) November 10, 2025

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Tech has hotter girls and a better looking campus

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And cooler people to party with that are not a buncha of reetard buzzcut nerds.

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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about the only talent little Matty was interested in developing was his ownself

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Redbrickbear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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about the only talent little Matty was interested in developing was his ownself

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He was 100% a self promoting mercenary who didn't want to be here very long, but so what. He's good at what he does, and he left us in pretty good shape.

The thing that hurt so bad about running off Briles is that Briles was, for all practical purposes, stuck here for a good while. He'd already done his dance with Tech and UT without moving, he'd talked too much **** on A&M to ever go there, and he wasn't going to leave Texas.

Redbrickbear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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Then the challenge is keeping them at Baylor, which to Aranda's credit he has been doing. Can argue a lot how good a coach he is, but up to this point, losing players they want to keep to the portal has not occurred.

You don't only have to develop players, but also have to have something in your culture or lots of money to keep them. CAB, Teaff and Rhule never really had to worry about that as they were here well before this ridiculous free agency we have today where roster stability is chasing a wild rabbit.

it's a different game for sure, so it's hard to really accurately compare coaches now from even a decade ago. Totally different game outside the actual game.

blackie said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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Then the challenge is keeping them at Baylor, which to Aranda's credit he has been doing. Can argue a lot how good a coach he is, but up to this point, losing players they want to keep to the portal has not occurred.

You don't only have to develop players, but also have to have something in your culture or lots of money to keep them. CAB, Teaff and Rhule never really had to worry about that as they were here well before this ridiculous free agency we have today where roster stability is chasing a wild rabbit.

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Is Aranda actually good at talent spotting?

And if he is....is he good a coaching them up and getting the most out of them?

Teaff, CAB, and Rhule were.....and they had the wins to prove it

Redbrickbear said:

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blackie said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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Then the challenge is keeping them at Baylor, which to Aranda's credit he has been doing. Can argue a lot how good a coach he is, but up to this point, losing players they want to keep to the portal has not occurred.

You don't only have to develop players, but also have to have something in your culture or lots of money to keep them. CAB, Teaff and Rhule never really had to worry about that as they were here well before this ridiculous free agency we have today where roster stability is chasing a wild rabbit.

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Is Aranda actually good at talent spotting?

And if he is....is he good a coaching them up and getting the most out of them?

Teaff, CAB, and Rhule were.....and they had the wins to prove it

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Rhule had one season that "proved it", which included:

• 2 OT wins vs teams with losing records (TTU 4-8, TCU 5-7)
• 2 3pt wins against teams with poor records (ISU 7-6, WVU 5-7)
• lost to the ranked-at-the-time teams he faced (UT did end up being ranked a sus #25 at end of season)

Dave's '21 involved bringing in crucial pieces Ika, Gall, Doyle and Estrada, as well as moving crucial pieces A. Smith from LB to RB and moving Pitre into his natural spot and slimming him down to his natural playing weight. Dave's '21 (he beat 5 teams ranked at kickoff) proved just as much as anything Rhule ever did.

And no, Rhule did not leave Dave the keys to a Ferrari...he left the keys to a late model Mustang GT that needed work to challenge for a title. No doubt, it was a much better situation than what Rhule came into (which was idk, a base model '01 Camaro), but it was a far cry from a turn-key elite program left idling.

Bearknuckle said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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blackie said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Coaches at UT and A&M have done less with more many times.

Joey is doing more with more, so hat's off to him.

CAB did more with less, which made him a Unicorn.

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And Baylor is always going to need to find those kinds of guys who can do more with less.

Grant Teaff, CAB, Rhule

Guys who can spot talent others overlooked and get them to come to Baylor

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Then the challenge is keeping them at Baylor, which to Aranda's credit he has been doing. Can argue a lot how good a coach he is, but up to this point, losing players they want to keep to the portal has not occurred.

You don't only have to develop players, but also have to have something in your culture or lots of money to keep them. CAB, Teaff and Rhule never really had to worry about that as they were here well before this ridiculous free agency we have today where roster stability is chasing a wild rabbit.

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Is Aranda actually good at talent spotting?

And if he is....is he good a coaching them up and getting the most out of them?

Teaff, CAB, and Rhule were.....and they had the wins to prove it

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Rhule had one season that "proved it", which included:

• 2 OT wins vs teams with losing records (TTU 4-8, TCU 5-7)
• 2 3pt wins against teams with poor records (ISU 7-6, WVU 5-7)
• lost to the ranked-at-the-time teams he faced (UT did end up being ranked a sus #25 at end of season)

Dave's '21 involved bringing in crucial pieces Ika, Gall, Doyle and Estrada, as well as moving crucial pieces A. Smith from LB to RB and moving Pitre into his natural spot and slimming him down to his natural playing weight. Dave's '21 (he beat 5 teams ranked at kickoff) proved just as much as anything Rhule ever did.

And no, Rhule did not leave Dave the keys to a Ferrari...he left the keys to a late model Mustang GT that needed work to challenge for a title. No doubt, it was a much better situation than what Rhule came into (which was idk, a base model '01 Camaro), but it was a far cry from a turn-key elite program left idling.

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Rhule left the cupboard empty.

Ok….but it was pretty dang empty when Rhule got here and he was able to rebuilt from that.

Baylor had been horrible for a long time when CAB got here and built it up from there.

Teaff took over another dead fish program at Baylor and did wonders with peanuts in terms of money or resources.

Do you have faith Aranda has the skills to do what the other 3 did and recruit under evaluated talent & develop it…and straight up out coach competitors?

His all time record at Baylor right now is 36-34

And that is with his single 12 win season doing a load of work in that all time record.