Yes. I do.

1981 Cotton Bowl.

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The college football landscape has changed. Top to bottom, there is only a marginal difference between winning and losing in the Big 12. Mediocrity is the norm.

It sucks, but this is what life in the Big 12 is going to be like now that ESPN, the SEC, and the Big 10 rigged the game in their favor.

Aranda will have ups and downs. If we don't like him, that's fine. But we will need to stick with the new coach through the same ups and downs, with 8-9 wins being the realistic target.

I like conference championships as much as the next guy, but fighting your way through a field of 16 with everyone having the same talent and resources will set you up for disappointment if you're expecting trophies every year.

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In a league of mediocrity, you need the coach that has the best game plan, makes the best adjusments, the best preparation, and crucially the best game management.

Do we have that?

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The ceiling at Baylor is Big12 titles. I don't expect to win one every year but I do expect at this time of year to be in the mix for it more years than not. Not fighting to simply make a crappy bowl game.

Kudos indeed to Aranda for the recruiting and retention of last year's core. That being said do we trust this staff to properly develop the talent? If not then it doesn't matter how high the class is ranked. Look at Auburn. Freeze recruited at a very high level and had arguably the top portal haul. He didn't generate the wins and got fired.

I wanted CDA to workout more than anyone. I like the guy and what he stands for but since 2021 this team has been plagued by inconsistent play, poor defense, and rotating coordinators. At some point that has to lead up to the head coach… especially the defensive problems since that's his side of the ball. Again I will bring up Auburn. Their offense is a train wreck and that's Hugh Freeze's calling card supposedly.

As far as not attracting a quality candidate pool that is a defeatist attitude and doesn't line up with recent history. Rhule was a bit out of left field but a quality hire after a double digit win season at Temple. Aranda was a hot commodity when we hired him coming off a national title. We've never been worried about what LSU and Penn State do for hires. We fish in a different pond. The question is where do we think we stack up with Oklahoma State and Virginia Tech. Baylor is viewed as a good job in the coaching community. Sits in fertile recruiting grounds. 90 min drive from DFW and Austin. Houston and San Antonio aren't far either. We pay pretty well, have top of the line facilities for our conference, and are pretty patient. Not many schools would've retained Aranda after that 3-9 season. Kevin Steele, Guy Morris, and Briles were all given time. Good resources, good location, and a patient admin. What's not to like?

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Baylor was in way better position to run the conference than Arizona State when the Big 12 expanded, ASU went on to being within a double OT score against Texas of being in the semifinals.

If Baylor's ceiling got lower, it did so under the current staff.

That's kinda what I'm hinting at here. 2 winning seasons out of 5 and 6th year is looking iffy at best. We went from beating Ole Miss to losing to SEC cellar dweller Auburn who fired their coach.

I just do not buy that we couldn't attract a decent candidate if we made a move. Do we make a move? Probably not until a move is made on Mack. I think he's tied himself to Aranda.

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The "value" of my degree with this institution has falling significantly with the current administration.

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I think Mack and Aranda should be gone. I am fine with firing Mack this year and giving Aranda another year. This will allow us to get in a new AD to hire the new coach.

I don't understand how your degree is worth less now with the current admin though. The endowment has grown. We became an R1 research university, and we are becoming more selective. How has your degree lost value?

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Wait and see. He may win 1, 2, or even 4 more games this year (bowl being 4th)

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Even if the Bears win out including a bowl game to go 9-4, all of the same people will still be saying he's already proven that he's not worthy, and we're just wasting time. The sun rising tomorrow morning is only *slightly* more predictable.

If Baylor beats Utah, they probably will win out - even if they lose, 2-1 to finish the regular season feels very possible right now, after Houston went down to a pretty mediocre WVU squad.

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2-1 is a 7-5 season, representing the abject mediocrity that has marked most of Aranda's Baylor tenure.

Most of us are past the point of celebrating mediocrity.

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I know you how you feel, you've been quite clear. We see things differently, and it's a free country. Enjoy your Sundayz

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Well, you seem to think 7 and 5 in year 6 is a good season. It's not.

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Wait and see. He may win 1, 2, or even 4 more games this year (bowl being 4th)

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Even if the Bears win out including a bowl game to go 9-4, all of the same people will still be saying he's already proven that he's not worthy, and we're just wasting time. The sun rising tomorrow morning is only *slightly* more predictable.

If Baylor beats Utah, they probably will win out - even if they lose, 2-1 to finish the regular season feels very possible right now, after Houston went down to a pretty mediocre WVU squad.

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2-1 is a 7-5 season, representing the abject mediocrity that has marked most of Aranda's Baylor tenure.

Most of us are past the point of celebrating mediocrity.

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I know you how you feel, you've been quite clear. We see things differently, and it's a free country. Enjoy your Sundayz

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Well, you seem to think 7 and 5 in year 6 is a good season. It's not.

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Two things here:

1. Aranda has been bad outside of one really good year. Outside of that year, he is well under 0.500 and is O - 2 in bowl games. His supporters want people to focus on the yearly heroics that it takes for Aranda to attain six or seven wins rather than the big picture of him being a perpetual 0.500 coach. It's like praising a student for cramming for a test the night before in a moderately difficult class (in this case, the current big 12) and making a D

2. This was not a rebuilding year. It supposed to be a big year for Aranda. His supporters are conveniently wanting everybody to forget that, or trying to explain it away with the lame injury excuse. Unless some sort of mysterious daddy warbucks donor wants to pay for Aranda to get a top 10 transfer portal class next year (transfer portal is a lot more important than high school recruiting these days), next year is likely going to be a bloodbath

Baylor leadership is fine with mediocrity. By winning the UCF game and in a big way, Aranda is coming back. 5 wins or 6 wins what's the difference because BU leaders are happy with putting on a show for the Baylor Family and moving on. Nothing will change until the current president is gone.

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Wait and see. He may win 1, 2, or even 4 more games this year (bowl being 4th)

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Even if the Bears win out including a bowl game to go 9-4, all of the same people will still be saying he's already proven that he's not worthy, and we're just wasting time. The sun rising tomorrow morning is only *slightly* more predictable.

If Baylor beats Utah, they probably will win out - even if they lose, 2-1 to finish the regular season feels very possible right now, after Houston went down to a pretty mediocre WVU squad.

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Not sure how the responses claiming that I've said something to the effect of "7-5 in the regular season should be celebrated" are justified by the statement above. I've done nothing of the sort here: in what world does "feels very possible" = "is worth celebrating". I'm saying that 2-1 should be our baseline expectation here.

To be VERY clear, going back to the preseason I said that 7-5 would be a disappointing finish, and some injury-related context would be needed to explain why Dave's seat didn't need to be flaming hot for ending with that record - and that hasn't changed.

Any Premium member can verify those posts if they're so inclined but I don't need them to: I'm literally on the record about this regardless of what y'all think. If we'd been a completely healthy team all season, 7-5 would have had me shouting for a change. But we've been faaaaar from completely healthy. So I've adjusted accordingly.

On the other hand, 9-4, given the injury context, wouldn't be a bad season by any stretch: a four game win streak to end the season, with at least one win against a ranked opponent. In this era of unprecedented parity, going 9-4 isn't some catastrophic failure, it's just not a championship season.

Projecting from where we stand now:
9-4: honestly, pretty good season all things considered (ATC)
8-5: decent season ATC
7-6: mediocre season ATC - Dave's seat gets very hot
6-7: bad season ATC - Dave's seat is on fire
5-7: Good luck in your endeavors, Dave.

I might cut him more slack than that, but our despairing fanbase needs wins to stack up badly. If we can beat Utah at home, that's a massive momentum shift and people will start to buy-in again.

Sic 'Em.

There are so many different weird variables in mid to low tier bowl games, they shouldn't have any significant factor in evaluation.

In the Aranda era:

TCU 44-26 (29-21), 1 CCG (0-1), 1 CFP run (1-1), 2-1 postseason record (and 1 COVID bowl cancelled)
Kansas St 44-28 (29-22), 1 CCG (1-0), 3-1 postseason record
Iowa St 43-27 (29-22), 1 CCG (0-1), 1-2 postseason record (and 1 COVID bowl cancelled)
Ok St 41-32 (25-26), 2 CCG (0-2), 3-1 postseason record
TTU 42-29 (27-24), 3-1 postseason record
Baylor 36-34 (24-27), 1 CCG (1-0), 1-2 postseason record
WVU 35-34 (23-27), 2-2 postseason record

Remember that OkSt fired Gundy and is in a death spiral, and WVU fired Brown and is in a rebuild year.

Since the new Big 12:
BYU 19-2 (12-2)
ASU 17-6 (11-4), 1 CCG (1-0), 1 CFP run (0-1)
Baylor 13-9 (9-6)
CU 12-10 (8-7)
Cincy 12-9 (8-8)
Utah 12-9 (6-9)

Are we satisfied with that considering the number of coordinator firings, the resources and facilities built, the abysmally ranked defenses, and a trending downward this/after this season? Our stock is going down in the new landscape when we were in prime position to go up.

Bottom Line:

If we beat Utah at home in 2 weeks, then Aranda returns - no questions asked.

If we lose (and especially if things get out of hand in that game), then his future and the staff's becomes less clear.

We'd still likely win at least one of our final 2 games to reach bowl eligibility, but I think there would probably be staff changes at that point (most noticeably on the defensive side of the ball).

If we end up closing the season out on a 3-game losing streak, then that could likely mark the end of the Dave Aranda era.

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Bottom Line:

If we beat Utah at home in 2 weeks, then Aranda returns - no questions asked.

If we lose (and especially if things get out of hand in that game), then his future and the staff's becomes less clear.

We'd still likely win at least one of our final 2 games to reach bowl eligibility, but I think there would probably be staff changes at that point (most noticeably on the defensive side of the ball).

If we end up closing the season out on a 3-game losing streak, then that could likely mark the end of the Dave Aranda era.

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Powledge needs to be fired no matter what. He should have been fired seasons ago.

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Bottom Line:

If we beat Utah at home in 2 weeks, then Aranda returns - no questions asked.

If we lose (and especially if things get out of hand in that game), then his future and the staff's becomes less clear.

We'd still likely win at least one of our final 2 games to reach bowl eligibility, but I think there would probably be staff changes at that point (most noticeably on the defensive side of the ball).

If we end up closing the season out on a 3-game losing streak, then that could likely mark the end of the Dave Aranda era.

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Powledge needs to be fired no matter what. He should have been fired seasons ago.

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Dave mentioned last off-season that he thought Matt was the most ready to be an HC of all the coaches on staff. Reading between the lines, I think that may have been Dave's way of expressing that he too has been thinking about what a different coach in that role might look like.

That said, to beat my favorite dead horse, with a healthy Devin Turner at STAR and Carl Williams at FS, where he presumably had a better chance to stay healthy, I think our whole season looks different in that scenario.

But even if it didn't, either way the questions about Powledge would have been answered: we'd have stellar Safety play and be fine with Pow, or he'd have no excuses for any issues and we'd move on.

Sucks for everyone involved that injuries have left that situation with as much uncertainty as we started the preseason with...

End of 22' and all of 2023 were historically bad. 23' would have gone winless without absolute scrub G5 newcomers and a free ooc win. It was a terrible football team.

Ok you are being a bit more reasonable here.

Boys y'all are still living in a fantasy world of the good ole days.

College football has been essentially destroyed and what is left is not friendly to private schools that have never had big boy football traditions and an alumni base that would rather go watch SING or the HOMECOMING PARADE than go sit in 100 degree Brazos River humidity and cheer on the gridiron Bears. Only Notre Dame has weathered the storms relatively unscathed and even the Golden domers have had to take it in the short hairs with Gerry Faust, Charlie Weiss and Bob Davie. They have had 3-9, 5-7 and 4-8 seasons recently.

Let's face it.........the alumni are primarily upper income pencil necks with limp wrists who have been coddled and spoon fed most of their lives. Very, very few fighters who had to earn their way onto campus. And that's OK. It's just not an alumni base that gets wood over playing a brutal game that 95% never played even in high school. It's difficult to get $$$$ out of a good portion of these types of supporters. However there are some who feel like they become football royalty by throwing big paper at the program and becoming a "friend" of the head coach and who then feels or acts like he has a hotline into the head coach's office.

Don't get me wrong. Every program has jock sniffers. It is a necessary evil. There are good sniffers and bad sniffers.

Baylor, Rice, TCU and SMU could compete in some years since the beginning of football on campus but all endure ups and downs even before NIL and the Transfer Portal.

Since 1972 Baylor Head Coaches have been .637 - Briles, .548 - Teaff, .538 - Grobe, .514 - Rhule, .511 - Reedy, .508, .310 - Morriss, .200 - Steele & .182 - Roberts. Those years have produced a win percentage of .479. Baylor lifetime is a .495 program.

Other Private School programs lifetime win %:

.732 - Notre dame
.694 - USC
.631 - Mismi
.567 - Stanford
.564 - Boston College
.561 - Syracuse
.545 - TCU
.510 - BAYLOR
.495 - Duke
.493 - SMU
.462 - Tulane
.448 - Northwestern
.431 - Rice

Certainly the goal is to win out every single year. Even Art had to endure 4-8 and 4-8 his first two seasons and did not win the conference until his 6th year. Grant Teaff took over a program that was considering cancelling football and won his first conference championship in his 3rd year. Grant did it by playing a non-conference schedule of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Florida State. Art had Wofford, Buffalo and Louisiana Monroe.

A .510 lifetime program in todays wild NCAA is going to have a tough time getting that .510 up to .600.

I submit that under the new NCAA that Baylor will be even more hard pressed to compete year in and year out. It is a dark and sleazy college football landscape today and I'm not certain I want to be a part of it as it stands. Each year I lose more and more enjoyment out of any program that pays 18-22 year olds millions of $$$.

I'd just as soon be a leader in pulling together a private school conference and competing with private schools only for the Private School National Championship every year.

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There are so many different weird variables in mid to low tier bowl games, they shouldn't have any significant factor in evaluation.

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I understand where you're coming from completely, and so the outcome of the bowls doesn't play a decision for me regarding the question "is Dave the Guy?" as it relates to his coaching abilities per se, but rather how I believe the fanbase will feel about the season at its conclusion.

It's part of evaluating a 'successful' season at the 30,000ft view, IMO: bowl success is about program momentum and brand building - within our own program, fans and recruits (HS & Portal), not so much the nation.

For example, it seems to me that the LSU loss let a good amount of air out of our balloon (at least for fans): finishing on a down note took some shine off what had been a very impressive second half of the season.

If we win all the way out, momentum will have started building back up with students and fans: such a streak would include two home wins, and at least one ranked win, possibly 2 depending on whether or not our bowl opponent is ranked.

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The college football landscape has changed. Top to bottom, there is only a marginal difference between winning and losing in the Big 12. Mediocrity is the norm.

It sucks, but this is what life in the Big 12 is going to be like now that ESPN, the SEC, and the Big 10 rigged the game in their favor.

Aranda will have ups and downs. If we don't like him, that's fine. But we will need to stick with the new coach through the same ups and downs, with 8-9 wins being the realistic target.

I like conference championships as much as the next guy, but fighting your way through a field of 16 with everyone having the same talent and resources will set you up for disappointment if you're expecting trophies every year.

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In a league of mediocrity, you need the coach that has the best game plan, makes the best adjusments, the best preparation, and crucially the best game management.

Do we have that?

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Dave is one of the worst in the conference at it.

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There are so many different weird variables in mid to low tier bowl games, they shouldn't have any significant factor in evaluation.

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I understand where you're coming from completely, and so the outcome of the bowls doesn't play a decision for me regarding the question "is Dave the Guy?" as it relates to his coaching abilities per se, but rather how I believe the fanbase will feel about the season at its conclusion.

It's part of evaluating a 'successful' season at the 30,000ft view, IMO: bowl success is about program momentum and brand building - within our own program, fans and recruits (HS & Portal), not so much the nation.

For example, it seems to me that the LSU loss let a good amount of air out of our balloon (at least for fans): finishing on a down note took some shine off what had been a very impressive second half of the season.

If we win all the way out, momentum will have started building back up with students and fans: such a streak would include two home wins, and at least one ranked win, possibly 2 depending on whether or not our bowl opponent is ranked.

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Agreed on the Texas Bowl. LSU was depleted with numerous opt-outs, really had nothing to play for. I was really disappointed with that Baylor performance.

Yup. I've already stopped watching the games.

OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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You've been here long enough to know to add him to the ignore list.

well his seat got less hot but it's still lukewarm. I reckon he has three chances to get one more win and keep his seat from boiling.

I was happy to see the team rally for Dave

It's a sellers market for coaches right now. So that may factor in too.

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The "value" of my degree with this institution has falling significantly with the current administration.

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I think Mack and Aranda should be gone. I am fine with firing Mack this year and giving Aranda another year. This will allow us to get in a new AD to hire the new coach.

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Respectfully, that's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Next season will be a bit of a rebuild. Best to fire both of them. Rhoades foolishly offered Aranda a long term extension after just two years on the job. That's a display of poor judgement.

No one wants to waste another year on Aranda.

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"the golden era of FBS head coaching salaries is ending"

I think this is 100% the case. Much like in the NFL today, soon in college, the coach will be one of the lowest paid people in the room.

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To paraphrase a 1992 Presidential candidate: "It's the players, stupid"

Look at the NFL today. Lots of very young coaches who learned most of what they know thru Madden 2xxx. Get the best Jimmies and Joes, select the right plays and voila.

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well his seat got less hot but it's still lukewarm. I reckon he has three chances to get one more win and keep his seat from boiling.

I was happy to see the team rally for Dave

It's a sellers market for coaches right now. So that may factor in too.

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I still think he needs to get to 7-5.

There's no possible way to sell 6-6 as success to a fan base that wanted Aranda gone two years ago, and is showing that with their absence every home game.

At least at 7-5, you can say we had a winning record overall and in Big 12 play. It's still mediocrity, but it's on the positive side of the mediocre ledger and can be packaged as moderate success when combined with our recruiting momentum.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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As much as the current defense has hidden the chorizo this year, the Bennett defenses were worse. Much worse. 600, 700, even 800 yards given up. We made Heisman contenders out of every QB we faced. Pitiful. Horrendous. Embarrassing.

3rd and long? We should have just moved the ball up for a first down, added +1 yard and lined back up. Art's offensive output kept the broke dicc Aggie employed.

We are not in decline. We are sputtering like a skank on Elm Street. We show signs of being good. Not great but maybe even very good.

Let's see how we end up. We could very well lose all remaining games but we could win out too.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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Bull$h!t. I yelled as loud as anyone during those years. I was a happy former player until I started hearing things and seeing smoke coming out of the program. I just hated to see us throw it all away. Then we lost the Fiesta to a commuter school and the Cotton by giving up 21 points in the 4th Q. That is not championship football!

You don't win Championships without a defense.

Briles blew it out both pants legs. Everything he accomplished turned to calf scours in the end and nationwide sports fans do not respect those 11 win seasons. Hell, TCU was lauded over more than Baylor . For every big win we had a bigger collapse or black eye.

Envy? Ha. It's called disappointment.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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Bull$h!t. I yelled as loud as anyone during those years. I was a happy former player until I started hearing things and seeing smoke coming out of the program. I just hated to see us throw it all away. Then we lost the Fiesta to a commuter school and the Cotton by giving up 21 points in the 4th Q. That is not championship football!

You don't win Championships without a defense.

Briles blew it out both pants legs. Everything he accomplished turned to calf scours in the end and nationwide sports fans do not respect those 11 win seasons. Hell, TCU was lauded over more than Baylor . For every big win we had a bigger collapse or black eye.

Envy? Ha. It's called disappointment.

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Everything before Briles is irrelevant. Briles brought Baylor national pride and a new stadium. The BOR couldn't handle his success. It's documented.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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Bull$h!t. I yelled as loud as anyone during those years. I was a happy former player until I started hearing things and seeing smoke coming out of the program. I just hated to see us throw it all away. Then we lost the Fiesta to a commuter school and the Cotton by giving up 21 points in the 4th Q. That is not championship football!

You don't win Championships without a defense.

Briles blew it out both pants legs. Everything he accomplished turned to calf scours in the end and nationwide sports fans do not respect those 11 win seasons. Hell, TCU was lauded over more than Baylor . For every big win we had a bigger collapse or black eye.

Envy? Ha. It's called disappointment.

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Everything before Briles is irrelevant. Briles brought Baylor national pride and a new stadium. The BOR couldn't handle his success. It's documented.

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This is a bad take.

Without Grant Teaff, Baylor football is likely in Rice's position right now. His era is absolutely relevant because it was the foundation he laid that allowed us to be included in the original Big 12 and made us a potential landing spot for a coach like Briles.

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OK, you were making points until you brought up the Briles years. That was a Baylor program with an upward trajectory. Aranda's sixth year is a Baylor program that is undeniably in decline, with play that is more sloppy and undisciplined than ever.

They are not the same.

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I've come to the conclusion that Thee is so jealous of what Briles accomplished. Teaff was the first coach since 1950 that had Baylor competitive every few seasons. Up's and big downs. Briles built a powerhouse making Thee envy

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Bull$h!t. I yelled as loud as anyone during those years. I was a happy former player until I started hearing things and seeing smoke coming out of the program. I just hated to see us throw it all away. Then we lost the Fiesta to a commuter school and the Cotton by giving up 21 points in the 4th Q. That is not championship football!

You don't win Championships without a defense.

Briles blew it out both pants legs. Everything he accomplished turned to calf scours in the end and nationwide sports fans do not respect those 11 win seasons. Hell, TCU was lauded over more than Baylor . For every big win we had a bigger collapse or black eye.

Envy? Ha. It's called disappointment.

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Everything before Briles is irrelevant. Briles brought Baylor national pride and a new stadium. The BOR couldn't handle his success. It's documented.

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I can't agree. Don't know if you were around back then, I was at Baylor for the Bill Beall fiasco. Without what Grant was able to do with the team, Briles would have never been at Baylor. Baylor would not have been in the Big XII for anyone to do anything.

Yeah.

Rice got the shortest end of the stick out of all of the original SWC schools.

Sure - TCU, SMU, and Houston were out wandering in the wilderness for awhile. But at least they all ended up in a P4 conference eventually.

Barring some heavy hitters getting involved down there in H-Town (like those at Tech and SMU have), Rice is likely gonna be stuck in football purgatory for decades to come.

We need a better system with either NIL or Revenue Sharing but not both. We need less pay for the coaches and a pay structure for players that puts schools on equal footing. Women's sports need to be funded also and the current system leaves them out in the cold. TV revenue should be spread out evenly among the Division 1 schools so that all sports are funded. The notion that the SEC and Big 10 schools should be paid more in the TV contracts needs to be challenged as the smaller schools are also getting left out in the cold.