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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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Tech was loaded - roster wise - when he got there, and, in the context of that roster, he certainly underperformed in his first two seasons.

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So you are saying they couldn't win with a loaded roster! What a pathetic post!

IowaBear said:

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I've answered you golfguy.....

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You haven't answered my post I'm questioning you on now. What was wrong with my post? You can't answer because you know the answer is nothing. First, you pulled numbers out of your ass, you have no idea, nobody does. Second, Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster. You can't deny it, its written in stone. Fact.



......still waiting

SailorBear13 said:

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On the flip side, if you have the right head coach who's a dawg and can develop you can still find success to launch the program.

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That absolutely proves that coaching is #1.

Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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It has been five years. His ceiling was eight wins. If he were going to breakthrough on his own, it would have already.

Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Aren't we happy Dave's just not some "rah-rah guy."

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Are you responding to an argument that I never made?

Delmar 2.0 said:

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IowaBear said:

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I've answered you golfguy.....

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You haven't answered my post I'm questioning you on now. What was wrong with my post? You can't answer because you know the answer is nothing. First, you pulled numbers out of your ass, you have no idea, nobody does. Second, Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster. You can't deny it, its written in stone. Fact.



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100% accurate

Can you answer me this? Since that championship team, how has he done developing players and putting players in the NFL? Do you have any facts for this?

SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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Do we get Tech's NIL money and players bought with that money? Then yes. Do we only get the coach? Then no.

Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?




With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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It has been five years. His ceiling was eight wins. If he were going to breakthrough on his own, it would have already.

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Hey California,
Joey's record at Tech is 8-5, 7-5, 8-5 and he is currently 12-1 this year and is the 4th seed in the college playoffs

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He said on his own. He has the biggest single year NIL program in the nation. He is a good coach, but the roster is the reason they're 12-1.

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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Do we get Tech's NIL money and players bought with that money? Then yes. Do we only get the coach? Then no.

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Does more money come in with more excitement? Yes!

Is Joey more exciting than Dave? By miles!!!

BU would have a bunch of money rolling in. Would it have been TTU money? No one can say.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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IowaBear said:

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I've answered you golfguy.....

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You haven't answered my post I'm questioning you on now. What was wrong with my post? You can't answer because you know the answer is nothing. First, you pulled numbers out of your ass, you have no idea, nobody does. Second, Dave went 12-2 with a zero dollar roster. You can't deny it, its written in stone. Fact.



......still waiting

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100% accurate

Can you answer me this? Since that championship team, how has he done developing players and putting players in the NFL? Do you have any facts for this?

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Typical progressive tells a story while omitting the key facts . The 12-2 team was done with Rhules guys. A record 6 drafted that years. Coach DEI had had a lonely 1 since then - and developed no one . Three of those 6 were starting as sophomores on the sugar bowl team. Rhule recruited them and developed them too. I think all or 5 of 6 were 3 stars. The DEI mouse coach couldn't even beat a weak TCU team that year with that overwhelming talent.

I think Maguire is a good, but not great coach. He lucked into a team of purchased mercenaries from a mega-rich football boosters. When the money dries up he will be an average coach.

CaliBear00 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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It has been five years. His ceiling was eight wins. If he were going to breakthrough on his own, it would have already.

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This is a ridiculous take.

He took over a mid-ass Tech program off six losing seasons in eight years as a first-time college head coach, and we're to believe that what he was in his first three years was all he was ever going to be? Dumb.

And had he been given the Baylor job, he'd have been inheriting a healthy, successful program (of which he was a major part) with a really good pre-built culture (of which he was a major part) and a strong staff in place. He would have almost certainly been successful.

If we were going to roll the dice with a first-time head coach, it absolutely should have been Joey, not Aranda, who has never looked, sounded or acted like a successful high-major college football coach.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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Do we get Tech's NIL money and players bought with that money? Then yes. Do we only get the coach? Then no.

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Does more money come in with more excitement? Yes!

Is Joey more exciting than Dave? By miles!!!

BU would have a bunch of money rolling in. Would it have been TTU money? No one can say.

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Joey wouldn't have Baylor playing with Cody Campbell money, but he'd have Baylor playing with Art Briles resources, which is a damn sight better than what we're currently looking at.

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CaliBear00 said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Joey McGuire has a .673 win percentage, Tech's first-ever Big 12 title and a CFP appearance four years into his college football head coaching career. What about those results aren't speaking?

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It says that he never would have made it this far without the money men buying him a roster. Really, it's not complicated.

CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Joey McGuire has a .673 win percentage, Tech's first-ever Big 12 title and a CFP appearance four years into his college football head coaching career. What about those results aren't speaking?

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It says that he never would have made it this far without the money men buying him a roster. Really, it's not complicated.

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Based on what? The first three years at a mid program he was still very much in the process of building up.

Again, ridiculous take.

No Big 12 coach could build the team Tech currently has without significant resources. But Joey McGuire absolutely could have built a conference championship-caliber team in a Big 12 absent of an NIL juggernaut if given time to do so.

The upgrades he made at both coordinator spots last offseason might have put Tech in that discussion this season without the massive influx of D-line talent. They wouldn't have been a CFP championship contender, but they'd have been one of the Big 12's better teams regardless.

Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Bear2393 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?




With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.

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Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

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Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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It has been five years. His ceiling was eight wins. If he were going to breakthrough on his own, it would have already.

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Hey California,
Joey's record at Tech is 8-5, 7-5, 8-5 and he is currently 12-1 this year and is the 4th seed in the college playoffs

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What a bizarre response. You do realize that you're making my point for me, right?

A good HC hires the right people. James Blanchard is one of those right people. A great hire by Joey. I hated to see that guy leave BU.

Look at Nick Saban. He lost OCs and DCs year after year and then he replaced them with quality guys. That is very impressive. Paying huge money for NIL may be the most important ingredient, but you need quality staff to help you select and sign the right players and coaches to turn those players into champions.

So, hat's off to Joey. Well done. He had all that he needed to build a champion, but he still had to put it on paper, and he did.

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A good HC hires the right people. James Blanchard is one of those right people. A great hire by Joey. I hated to see that guy leave BU.

Look at Nick Saban. He lost OCs and DCs year after year and then he replaced them with quality guys. That is very impressive. Paying huge money for NIL may be the most important ingredient, but you need quality staff to help you select and sign the right players and coaches to turn those players into champions.

So, hat's off to Joey. Well done. He had all that he needed to build a champion, but he still had to put it on paper, and he did.

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Shiel Wood may be the best defensive coordinator in the country currently. He doesn't get any credit because of NIL, but he's been awesome literally everywhere he's ever been -- most of those places without elite talent. And Joey hiring him away from Houston last offseason was a huge deal.

Wood's teams' scoring defense by year ...

2020 at Army (Co-DC) -- 14.8 ppg
2021 at Army (Co-DC) -- 22.3 ppg
2022 at Troy (DC) -- 17.1 ppg
2023 at Tulane (DC) -- 20.5 ppg
2024 at Houston (DC) -- 22.9 ppg
2025 at Tech (DC) -- 10.9 ppg

I think the prime reason McGuire wasn't the choice at the time was based on the general perceived concept at the time in the P5 world that you either went for someone that was already either a head coach (if even at a non-P5 level) or a coordinator. McGuire had been neither. You didn't hire position coaches unless you were VERY desperate or just shooting from the hip or that is all you could get.

I know how this board works, if he had been hired, all the threads at the time would be about how Baylor was just going on the "cheap" to hire a coach and how they were not serious about football. It is easy to determine after the fact as to what should or should not have been done. But that is not the way the world works.

Yesterday was Pearl Harbor day. If Japan had launched a third wave of planes at Hawaii as many of the Japanese officers wanted, WWII could have turned out pretty bad for the U.S. That can be seen now, but at the time, the Japanese fleet officers in charge were too worried about having their carriers exposed to an attack that was never going to come nor was even possible to come from the U.S. at that time. So, yes, they should have launched a third wave and finished off most of our Pacific fleet.

We can say now with a good amount of certainty that had McGuire been the coach we probably would be better off at this point, but there is no guarantee. Baylor screwed itself when we didn't move forward like others, especially Tech, in milking NIL for everything it was worth when it first started up. That handicap would likely have been on McGuire just like it was on Aranda. It is total speculation how he would have handled it. At this point it doesn't matter. What is, is.

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I think the prime reason McGuire wasn't the choice at the time was based on the general perceived concept at the time in the P5 world that you either went for someone that was already either a head coach (if even at a non-P5 level) or a coordinator. McGuire had been neither. You didn't hire position coaches unless you were VERY desperate or just shooting from the hip or that is all you could get.

I know how this board works, if he had been hired, all the threads at the time would be about how Baylor was just going on the "cheap" to hire a coach and how they were not serious about football. It is easy to determine after the fact as to what should or should not have been done. But that is not the way the world works.

Yesterday was Pearl Harbor day. If Japan had launched a third wave of planes at Hawaii as many of the Japanese officers wanted, WWII could have turned out pretty bad for the U.S. That can be seen now, but at the time, the Japanese fleet officers in charge were too worried about having their carriers exposed to an attack that was never going to come nor was even possible to come from the U.S. at that time. So, yes, they should have launched a third wave and finished off most of our Pacific fleet.

We can say now with a good amount of certainty that had McGuire been the coach we probably would be better off at this point, but there is no guarantee. Baylor screwed itself when we didn't move forward like others, especially Tech, in milking NIL for everything it was worth when it first started up. That handicap would likely have been on McGuire just like it was on Aranda. It is total speculation how he would have handled it. At this point it doesn't matter. What is, is.

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McGuire had a pretty good segment of support at the time. So the only ones who would have been upset with such a hire would have been those who celebrated the Aranda hire over him. And those people are better off ignored.

CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Joey McGuire has a .673 win percentage, Tech's first-ever Big 12 title and a CFP appearance four years into his college football head coaching career. What about those results aren't speaking?

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It says that he never would have made it this far without the money men buying him a roster. Really, it's not complicated.

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Did Dave succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

Did Joey succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

How about
2024
2023
2022
2021

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Joey McGuire has a .673 win percentage, Tech's first-ever Big 12 title and a CFP appearance four years into his college football head coaching career. What about those results aren't speaking?

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It says that he never would have made it this far without the money men buying him a roster. Really, it's not complicated.

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Did Dave succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

Did Joey succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

How about
2024
2023
2022
2021

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Why are you bringing Aranda into the discussion? You're responding to an argument that I never made.

CaliBear00 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Golden Helmet said:

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I've known Joey since he was at Cedar Hill as a 9th grade Coach.
Your description of him is 100% inaccurate.

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No it's not. How do I know that? His results speak for themselves. Yes, he's a high school coaching legend in Texas. But high school isn't CFB. Come on, man.

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Joey McGuire has a .673 win percentage, Tech's first-ever Big 12 title and a CFP appearance four years into his college football head coaching career. What about those results aren't speaking?

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It says that he never would have made it this far without the money men buying him a roster. Really, it's not complicated.

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Did Dave succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

Did Joey succeed in 2025 with the 2025 environment?

How about
2024
2023
2022
2021

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Why are you bringing Aranda into the discussion? You're responding to an argument that I never made.

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I'm addressing the drunk Jerry Jones's wannabes as a group. It just happened to stem off of you last post.

CaliBear00 said:

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SailorBear13 said:

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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

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It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

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Oops, keep wiping your face. There's still quite a bit of egg on it.

"You can run a multi,-million dollar roster into the ground?"

Jerry Jones: Hold my beer!


Like I said a Ferrari is a pretty paper weight unless you know how to drive it.

Doesn't matter howvmuch we spendcon the machine at Baylor until we ger ourselves a driver.

Joey may not be the best driver, but he is good enough.