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320 players over 8 years and the only one in jail was kicked off the team by Art for weed, Elliott. Afterwards, he committed the SA. Man, wouldn't Georgia love to have such a low number of perps!

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He had to do that to compete. Nature of the beast.

Why do you think Randy Moss went to Marshall? He couldn't get into ND and got caught testing positive for weed at FSU. Those schools could say no. Marshall? Had to roll the dice. Sorry, but Baylor was closer to Marshall under Briles than ND/Holz or FSU/Bowden. IF BU wanted to be at that level, without the "infrastructure" the top programs had Briles HAD to take players with NFL talent and luggage they size of an ocean liner.

I get it. Sometimes Coaches get away with it and become HOFs like Urban Meyer at UF or Osborne at Nebraska. If it goes bad, they end up Briles. Universities are not going down for a Coach.

one must acks, can the hounds be stopped .......

- el UF

... in their quest for imperfection??

PA.

... and, as always, TIA.

BID.

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1. About 320 players came thru Art's team over 8 seasons. Lose the Broad Brush!
2. Zero training was made available to any Athletic Department employees by the Title IX office.
3. Zero leadership from the BoR.
4. Every other winning team's University would have managed it, given training and moved on.
5. Baylor is not geared to handle, nor does it want, big time football, with all of the publicity, expectations and coordination between Administration, Regents, HC, campus and city police, that ALL blue bloods, and now Indiana, have in place.

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

I agree the Board is worthless. Which is why I pointed out the emails/texts to Ian. Go find that and you can vindicate your grievance all you want, I won't stand in your way. They absolutely could have managed it. They were just too busy filling their new luxury suites and taking selfies to care.

But saying that Art is an innocent bystander that loved Baylor and was doing the right things?

You can disagree with me all you want but there weren't many Athletic Directors that would agree with you.

Persuade them.

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canoso said:

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1. About 320 players came thru Art's team over 8 seasons. Lose the Broad Brush!
2. Zero training was made available to any Athletic Department employees by the Title IX office.
3. Zero leadership from the BoR.
4. Every other winning team's University would have managed it, given training and moved on.
5. Baylor is not geared to handle, nor does it want, big time football, with all of the publicity, expectations and coordination between Administration, Regents, HC, campus and city police, that ALL blue bloods, and now Indiana, have in place.

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

I agree the Board is worthless. Which is why I pointed out the emails/texts to Ian. Go find that and you can vindicate your grievance all you want, I won't stand in your way. They absolutely could have managed it. They were just too busy filling their new luxury suites and taking selfies to care.

But saying that Art is an innocent bystander that loved Baylor and was doing the right things?

You can disagree with me all you want but there weren't many Athletic Directors that would agree with you.

Persuade them.

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The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands.

All of this consternation for a man who's been gone for a decade and can't win a Division II game.

It's time for everyone to move on.

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All of this consternation for a man who's been gone for a decade and can't win a Division II game.

It's time for everyone to move on.

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Agreed. Time.
Best analogy I can muster is: aggy can spend $100Mil+ on coaches, NIL and athletes Baylor could only dream of and STILL be mediocre despite themselves.
Baylor is just Baylor, it is what it is, so just enjoy whatever highlights, moments, a "year" ever so often and resign to the fact it's been that way for well over sixty plus years.

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

OK boys.

The Greyhounds are teeing up a 1-5 West Texas A&M. Could this be the start? It's Homecoming after all!

I hope your yella dawg is ready for that 8 to 9 hour sojourn.

ALL ABOARD!

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands.

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Just because you put your boots in the oven, don't make em biscuits.

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I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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The Ivy League schools, (and a lot of their peers) havent' really blinked on their admission standards or for that matter, NIL.

The schools that went all in on NIL on the other hand, may start to find it difficult to find teams they can schedule that will agree to their terms of revenue split.

5th&Bagby said:

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands.

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Just because you put your boots in the oven, don't make em biscuits.

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The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands. But thanks for staying after this. You got my standing comment more blue stars.

Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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Interestingly, the player from Georgia I mentioned above was Marcus Dixon. I never knew what happened to him, but I just did a quick search and realize that he was just hired as the Cowboys defensive line coach earlier this year. Apparently he played college ball at Hampton, played for a little while in the NFL, and has worked his way up through the coaching ranks to the NFL and is now with the Cowboys.

Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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With respect, I'm so sick of hearing about Baylor's Christian Mission. it's a farce. So there are no Christians on other teams anywhere else in America?
Besides, Linda Loser allows Alphabet speakers but puts up roadblocks to stop conservative Christian speakers. She has made Baylor the Berkley of the Southwest.

Timbear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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With respect, I'm so sick of hearing about Baylor's Christian Mission. it's a farce. So there are no Christians on other teams anywhere else in America?
Besides, Linda Loser allows Alphabet speakers but puts up roadblocks to stop conservative Christian speakers. She has made Baylor the Berkley of the Southwest.

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I know you're being hyperbolic for effect, but all this comment tells me is that you know nothing about UC Berkley.

Moving on is fine.

But those who refuse to remember history are bound to repeat it.

Baylor's response was disastrous on so many levels.

Chuckroast said:

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Timbear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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With respect, I'm so sick of hearing about Baylor's Christian Mission. it's a farce. So there are no Christians on other teams anywhere else in America?
Besides, Linda Loser allows Alphabet speakers but puts up roadblocks to stop conservative Christian speakers. She has made Baylor the Berkley of the Southwest.

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I think you and I actually agree on this. I was trying to point out the irony of Baylor trying to proclaim what a Christian institution it is while laying all of the blame for its scandal on a single coach who in hindsight was solely responsible for all admission decisions and ongoing counseling related to the football team as well as also being the one responsible for actually coaching football. Obviously, he served a role and had some culpability in the culture of the football team, but any school that blames the entire culture on a single man has no institutional control.

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Thanks. Well said.

canoso said:

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands.

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Just because you put your boots in the oven, don't make em biscuits.

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The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands. But thanks for staying after this. You got my standing comment more blue stars.

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LOL,

If that's your goal, you're proving my point.

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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I think you and I actually agree on this. I was trying to point out the irony of Baylor trying to proclaim what a Christian institution it is while laying all of the blame for its scandal on a single coach who in hindsight was solely responsible for all admission decisions and ongoing counseling related to the football team as well as also being the one responsible for actually coaching football. Obviously, he served a role and had some culpability in the culture of the football team, but any school that blames the entire culture on a single man has no institutional control.

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I would add:

• I highly doubt there was unanimous Board support for the decision.
• The board members faced no direct/tangible cost for their decision. The organization absorbed the hits, and they simply rotated off.
• 'Dozens'(how many?) of employees were terminated as a result of all this. This, and other scandals, has had a direct effect on morale, and caused the exit of other employees.

Agree that if there weren't appropriate governance at the time, we have no reason to believe it exists now. Their attitude seems to be, "We'll tell you what to believe..."

5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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5th&Bagby said:

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canoso said:

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It's always good to live in denial.

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"pure" as in hiding information? After that was released, he wasn't even allowed to attend college games as spectator! That's not on Baylor, that's called don't send texts about legal issues to your coworkers. If you need training on that, you may not be worth the effort.

The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands.

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Just because you put your boots in the oven, don't make em biscuits.

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The commenter to whom I responded spoke the pure truth. My comment stands. But thanks for staying after this. You got my standing comment more blue stars.

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LOL,

If that's your goal, you're proving my point.

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Wear a hat and no one will see your only point.

This thread was intended to be a celebration of Briles' resurgence, instead he's 0-6 and y'all are relitigating the past for the millionth time.

Meanwhile, Dave is an ankle-injury-induced 1pt loss from being 5-0, is on track to have a job-saving season, and may just mud-hole the Fraugs tomorrow night.

This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

Bearknuckle said:

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This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

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Tough Fall?

Try a tough 3,795 days!

That's 10 years, 4 months & 20 days!

That's 542 weeks and 1 day!

Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't anything!

Bearknuckle said:

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This thread was intended to be a celebration of Briles' resurgence, instead he's 0-6 and y'all are relitigating the past for the millionth time.

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For many, the trust with the Regents has only worsened.

I could care less about Mr. Portales.

Bearknuckle said:

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This thread was intended to be a celebration of Briles' resurgence, instead he's 0-6 and y'all are relitigating the past for the millionth time.

Meanwhile, Dave is an ankle-injury-induced 1pt loss from being 5-0, is on track to have a job-saving season, and may just mud-hole the Fraugs tomorrow night.

This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

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First off, I support Aranda and the team. I hope he saves his job because if so, it will hopefully mean we had a great season. I really enjoyed the 2021 season as well as the second half of the 24 season and would love to see widespread optimism around the program again.

No one here trying to relitigate the scandal as far as I can tell… We're simply talking about what the administration could still do potentially to win over those it might have lost to some degree. That shouldn't be a pointless exercise if you want to unify Baylor nation, maximize the school's donations, and heal.

To me, the Baylor experience has been all about the awesome students I went to school with, the friendships made and experiences shared, and the mutual values that we hold. The sports programs of the school are an embodiment of the school's spirit and identity. The men's basketball program in particular has been a great testament to the ideals that Baylor stands for. It's unfortunate that the administration as represented by the board has been a negative part of the overall experience and the least emblematic of what the collective Baylor nation seems to stand for.

Thee University said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

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Tough Fall?

Try a tough 3,795 days!

That's 10 years, 4 months & 20 days!

That's 542 weeks and 1 day!

Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't anything!

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To be impartial, do the math since 1980 and post it here.

canoso said:

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Thee University said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

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Tough Fall?

Try a tough 3,795 days!

That's 10 years, 4 months & 20 days!

That's 542 weeks and 1 day!

Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't anything!

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To be impartial, do the math since 1980 and post it here.

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Nobody is crying about the 36 years before the past 10 years. 46 years since we've had a Baylor team go undefeated in Conference play.

The past 10 years we have grown men sucking their thumbs, crying like babies over spilled milk. Let those 2 nads drop, blow your noses and hop on board the Baylor Train. Some of you have now started crying for some team out in Eastern New Mexico.

Good grief!!!! How much more pitiful can you get?

Mitch Henessey said:

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Thee University said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I've moved on in that I will always be a Baylor fan, and I would have sent any of my kids there if they had wanted to go (long way from home for us), but I still think we are owed a mea culpa. It simply wasn't right for them to deflect all blame and essentially put it on one man… two if you count Starr and the slap on the wrist he got.

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Wrong. Obviously you have no idea how TEAMS at the collegiate level operate.

Art was the captain of the ship. He recruited and brought all of these kids onto campus. Art's position coaches spent a couple of hours every day in close proximation with the kids they coach. Position coaches have meeting rooms by position. They have a bigger room to have both full team meetings and then meetings for offense only and defense only. Colorful language and stories are told during the lead in to the actual football being discussed.

Personalities, mannerisms, personal goings ons are openly seen and developed for all to see. Coaches know who is good and who is bad. The players openly discuss their private lives amongst teammates and most coaches.

A few Saturday and Sunday practice sessions (when still feeling that Wild Turkey's bite) after a player's night out on the town will tell you a lot about who is a ticking time bomb and who to keep a watchful eye over. A good captain will never allow a good player to "play" his way out of Waco.

Our problem was that neither Ken Starr or Ian McCaw had enough backbone to lead and mentor Art. Neither wanted to do anything that might cause the W's to turn into L's. They just rolled the dice and let it snowball into a disaster. They did not have the stomachs to check out how the sausage was being made. Starr just wanted to run out with the freshmen. McCaw just wanted to slip into a brown polyester suit and relax. I blame them both because there were obvious signs early on that Art was running a loose ship as captain. An "intervention" was needed.

Winning is like a drug that you get hooked on. It's hard to change even when you know there is something wrong.

The realists have moved on. The weak remain locked in a 10 year struggle to move forward.

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Obviously, you have no idea how some of the rest of the world operates outside of Baylor. Having grown up a diehard Vanderbilt fan, I was deflated about how elite, NCAA qualified recruits (rare for Vanderbilt) were refused admission for academic reasons, heaven forbid. One time Vandy received a commitment from an elite defensive lineman. Before he actually enrolled, he was accused of sexual assault, and the administration then reneged on his acceptance. This was based on the simple allegation, and it was out of the football coach's hands. For what it's worth, we heard two or three years later that the player was cleared of the charges, but it didn't matter because Vanderbilt didn't even wanna be linked to it as a school. The real world surrounding Baylor may have been as you describe, but that's certainly not how all private schools operate. I would like to think that a private school with a Christian mission would intuitively recognize giving a coach that much sway is a huge conflict of interest. To the extent, Baylor has done so, it is absolutely on them.

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With respect, I'm so sick of hearing about Baylor's Christian Mission. it's a farce. So there are no Christians on other teams anywhere else in America?
Besides, Linda Loser allows Alphabet speakers but puts up roadblocks to stop conservative Christian speakers. She has made Baylor the Berkley of the Southwest.

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I know you're being hyperbolic for effect, but all this comment tells me is that you know nothing about UC Berkley.

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It's liberal and anti-Christian. Nuff said

Bearknuckle said:

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This thread was intended to be a celebration of Briles' resurgence, instead he's 0-6 and y'all are relitigating the past for the millionth time.

Meanwhile, Dave is an ankle-injury-induced 1pt loss from being 5-0, is on track to have a job-saving season, and may just mud-hole the Fraugs tomorrow night.

This must be a really tough Fall so far for some of y'all.

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