Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Who's the coach they had lined up as a safety net?

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Doesn't matter now. He's still coaching somewhere else.

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Who's the coach they had lined up as a safety net?

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Doesn't matter now. He's still coaching somewhere else.

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Successfully? You don't have to name drop, that will just knock the list down to the the Top 25.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Ok, if that were true, why was the BMD who paid for Arts' raise not made aware of it.

As I said to others at the time, that was the end.

Lining up a coach you bribed is nice. But actually having a plan, that's something else.

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Bob wanted to keep Art. He was able to do so. They had a plan.

I'm not giving up my sources on this one, but there was a plan. He'd have been announced that night.

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BearInBigD said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Who's the coach they had lined up as a safety net?

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Doesn't matter now. He's still coaching somewhere else.

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Successfully? You don't have to name drop, that will just knock the list down to the the Top 25.

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Go away, little girl. No gossip for you.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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PartyBear said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Why was Rhoades not made aware of this guy a year ago?

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Mack was at UH then.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I'm sure there were coaches that jumped at the offer or would jump at it.

But that doesn't explain what happened with Art's exit. Playing a season with Grobe leading Art's son and son in law?

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Oh, that was a cluster. They should have gone with the 2014 plan and been done with it, but late May was the issue then, and then the dumpster fire we saw.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Who's the coach they had lined up as a safety net?

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Doesn't matter now. He's still coaching somewhere else.

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Successfully? You don't have to name drop, that will just knock the list down to the the Top 25.

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Nope, not giving up that info.

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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atkron195 said:

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Been going to Baylor games since 55 too. I was 7. We probably saw each other at a game. My heart has been broken countless times like you. I' m too old to get upset about this train wreck. But I agree, you and I will more than likely never see the Bears as contenders again. Sad but true and the a** wipes on the BOR could care less.

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atkron195 said:

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Been going to Baylor games since 55 too. I was 7. We probably saw each other at a game. My heart has been broken countless times like you. I' m too old to get upset about this train wreck. But I agree, you and I will more than likely never see the Bears as contenders again. Sad but true and the a** wipes on the BOR could care less.

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Pale Rider said:

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atkron195 said:

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Been going to Baylor games since 55 too. I was 7. We probably saw each other at a game. My heart has been broken countless times like you. I' m too old to get upset about this train wreck. But I agree, you and I will more than likely never see the Bears as contenders again. Sad but true and the a** wipes on the BOR could care less.

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Not me, I'm going to live to 93. (At least 93)

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GruntTuff said:

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Pale Rider said:

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atkron195 said:

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Been going to Baylor games since 55 too. I was 7. We probably saw each other at a game. My heart has been broken countless times like you. I' m too old to get upset about this train wreck. But I agree, you and I will more than likely never see the Bears as contenders again. Sad but true and the a** wipes on the BOR could care less.

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Not me, I'm going to live to 93. (At least 93)

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How about 94, my friend Pale Rider? Heck, how about 100!!!

Hope all is well with you. From someone who saw Baylor beat Syracuse in 1966, saw Baylor beat Texas in 1974 and was at the last magical game at Baylor Stadium in 2013, maybe there's one or two more good days before we leave this realm!

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Pale Rider said:

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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.

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Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

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This is not true. There was a P5 coach committed to come if Art had left after Tempe. Some BMD Regents had money whipped a guy and he was down with it.

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Ok, if that were true, why was the BMD who paid for Arts' raise not made aware of it.

As I said to others at the time, that was the end.

Lining up a coach you bribed is nice. But actually having a plan, that's something else.

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Bob wanted to keep Art. He was able to do so. They had a plan.

I'm not giving up my sources on this one, but there was a plan. He'd have been announced that night.

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GruntTuff said:

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We can talk about plans after Tempe all night long, but we're missing the point Stranger makes. It's hard to wrap your arms around, it's painful, but it's true.

Stranger knows of what he speaks. The folks who control Baylor have never seen Baylor as a place where football mattered, only a place where football was a necessity if Baylor was to continue as something other than a bible college. Think Hardin Simmons.

I've been following Baylor football almost as long as my friend Stranger. For those of you who don't know this man, he's as loyal and dedicated a Baylor fan as is still walking planet earth. Since 1955, I might add.

He beat me by 11 years. My first game was Baylor vs Syracuse in 1966. You young folks, Google that one. I thought we'd never lose again. Stranger happened to have been sired by a man who followed the Bears. I was sired by a poor house painter who never knew his father, but raised his family the best he could, including encouraging his only son to attend Baylor when he was making $3 an hour. It worked and I live every day honoring my father for his encouragement and example.

The difference in me and Stranger is that when I was at Baylor, I happened to pledge a fraternity which had a member whose father happened to be the president of Baylor. What a giant that president was. The young folks on this thread don't know Abner McCall, but without his leadership in the dark days of the 1960's, Baylor truly would have become Hardin Simmons, East Texas Baptist, etc.

Abner's son required us pledges to bring Abner a bottle of liquid to his house in Castle Heights. It was an honor. That man, by himself, kept Baylor afloat and in the Southwest Conference when by all rights we should have been ejected. That's a great story for another time. Every Baylor fan should be obligated to read Abner's story, the story of the Fort Worth Masonic School he attended and played on their state championship team and how he made his way to Baylor and lived with the family of Matt Dawson, my practice court teacher at Baylor Law School. Mad Dog Dawson. A giant in the legal profession.

I digress, but Abner knew then that Baylor would not be able to compete with UT and others as a research institution, but had a place and a mission that made its existence important. Baylor has not had a president with his guile, wit, toughness, intellect and understanding since his departure.

Abner, and those following him, knew or should have known, that Baylor would never be able to compete, on an annual basis, with the football giants of the world. He didn't care. He just wanted Baylor to be in the fray, and thus able to compete and make the financial strides necessary to compete and sustain.

Long before the widely known and discussed situation with Baylor at the end of the SWC when TCU and SMU were left out, Baylor was on the ragged edge of being excluded from the SWC. Abner knew of a nuance in the by-laws of the SWC, and he played his cards beautifully at a president's meeting in Austin. He left the meeting with those attending in awe of his genius and he kept Baylor in the game, in the SWC. Again, you young folks have no idea of what it was like back then. Without Abner McCall, Baylor would not look like what it does today.

The man was pure genius.

Sorry for rambling on, but the gist of all of this is that Stranger is right, Baylor has never seen itself as an "institution of football" and nothing is going to change. We caught lightning in a bottle and we left the cork on the table. The lightning is gone. It's not going to return.

The best I can hope for in my remaining time on this planet is Teaff-like. I suppose that would be just fine. Hopefully Rhule can be Teaff, version 2. I doubt it, but I'll give the man his time. If he fails, Katy bar the door.


Sic'Em Bears

PS...thanks for the great start to this thread Stranger...you know of what you speak.

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