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If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
Nope, but Briles would still be ducking JA and our Regents would still be sponsoring a rape victim shaming COO, so... yay us?
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Nope, but Briles would still be ducking JA and our Regents would still be sponsoring a rape victim shaming COO, so... yay us?
Drunken hookup @ old main said:Quote:
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
Nope, but Briles would still be ducking JA and our Regents would still be sponsoring a rape victim shaming COO, so... yay us?
Lol classic moron. If he was ducking JA why didn't the regents fire him for that and not pay him a dime?? Your theory has holes buddy. And what proof do you have that they shamed coeds besides the media?? I thought so NEXT!!
Because Briles' attorney filed to separate him from Baylor's defense in the Hernandez case and substitute counsel. He asked for all the defense records. There was a pending mediation date set on the Hernandez case. Briles settled with Baylor and withdrew a day before the mediation. Hernandez ' s attorney claimed Briles attorney suggested Briles may side with her at the mediation. In short, Briles had some leverage and used it for his buy-out.Bearwitness8223 said:Drunken hookup @ old main said:Quote:
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
Nope, but Briles would still be ducking JA and our Regents would still be sponsoring a rape victim shaming COO, so... yay us?
Lol classic moron. If he was ducking JA why didn't the regents fire him for that and not pay him a dime?? Your theory has holes buddy. And what proof do you have that they shamed coeds besides the media?? I thought so NEXT!!
Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
Bearwitness8223 said:xiledinok said:Gunny Hartman said:
What do you want to know?
Okay, I remember how the cellphone evidence worked against him and hurt him. Remember, only getting online reports and I wasn't present.
When was the evidence turned over?
How long from turnover until testimony?
Did Sam see the evidence to read and look over?
The evidence was turned over to the defense during trial when I should have been turned over before trial like the law states that it should so the defendant can get a fair chance to prove he's innocent. The prosecutors withheld this evidence, lied to the judge and claimed that they just got the evidence that day when they had it way before trial. They threatened his roommate with perjury and prison time with the evidence while knowing it proved he was telling the truth. When that failed they cross examined him anyways. Ukwuachu didn't know what was on the phone records until a year after his trial. Because he didn't have a phone records expert to go over the locations of his roommates phone calls. The prosecutors also withheld Morgan reeds phone records. The girl that claimed she dropped off his roommate that night and cross examined her with a misrepresentation of the phone records. All for the sake of Robbing that young man of justice.
Ukwuachu not only has proof that they did this he has proof that they knowingly wrote an article after they won the conviction and they are lying about the phone records in there too.
He will sue the county for everything they got when it's all said and done and I don't blame him. How would you feel if you knew you were innocent but you got railroaded and lied on by scumbag corrupt prosecutors?? Is that what you call justice?? Do victims ever lie?? No victims don't lie, LIARS lie. Doesn't surprise me that liars helped a liar lie to ruin not just Ukwuachu's life but hundreds of good men's lives and careers. If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been Art Briles would have still been the coach, and Baylor's good name would still be intact. Instead they chose to fire an innocent man, pay him millions and refuse to release the pepper Hamilton report because the lawyers for pepper Hamilton said Ukwuachu should have been cleared.
The ultimate sign of cowards. These women have taken advantage of Ukwuachu's railroading for money. Sad but it's the truth. There's always two sides to every story. And the other side is about to be known. The real scandal, the McLennan county DA corruption scandal coming to a newsstand near you. REALLY SOON.
I m not the judge and I m sure it will eventually work itself out but that makes sense he never saw the records. He might have paid attention and assisted them. He had a passion to defend himself.
Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
Maybe they were led by the Holy Spirit.
"There were a number of us just crying out to God." - Baylor Regent Dennis Wiles
During the meeting, one of the regents started crying and pounding on the table, saying "Not my Baylor," and "Why do we have to listen to any more of this?"
During the meeting, one of the regents started crying and pounding on the table, saying "Not my Baylor," and "Why do we have to listen to any more of this?"
My understanding is that despite the fact that PH lawyers seems to point the finger at Baylor for horribly mishandling the accusation of Sam, they also indicated that according to the evidence they had seen, he should have been found innocent. Not sure that made it to the FOF. It kind of lessens the effect of the term 'horrifying' if the horrifying event did not in fact happen.Malbec said:Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
Ummm....no.Robemcdo said:Bona Fide Bear said:We all have a vested interest in justice being properly served. SU doesn't change anything that happened under CAB, even if the CABers will turn it into more proof that CAB was actually a really moral man, even though he let allegations stop at his door, regardless of how terrible the protocol was at the University as a whole and he accepted a settlement that keeps him from clearing his name. However, if SU is allowed to go free, then a wrongly accused, determined by the justice system, man will allowed to live a life as a free man.MilliVanilli said:
You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.
Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?
Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?
Sam and Elliott form the foundation for this whole mess. Without these two blocks the whole thing comes down
If by "the whole thing" you mean the reason for Briles' firing.
He was fired for failure to follow university policies, including Title IX, to which he has basically admitted guilt.
Whether SU is convicted has no bearing on the causes for Briles' dismissal.
Given the fact you interpret the entire saga of Briles's disgrace to revolve around Sam U. alone and asininely insist that a convicted murderer in Carlton Dotson is innocent simply because you hate a prosecutor and lie about Elliott being vindicated by a non-existent video and proclaim all rape victims liars, who cares what you think?Robemcdo said:My understanding is that despite the fact that PH lawyers seems to point the finger at Baylor for horribly mishandling the accusation of Sam, they also indicated that according to the evidence they had seen, he should have been found innocent. Not sure that made it to the FOF. It kind of lessens the effect of the term 'horrifying' if the horrifying event did not in fact happen.Malbec said:Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
You have zero credibility, you're a hack.
MilliVanilli said:Given the fact you interpret the entire saga of Briles's disgrace to revolve around Sam U. alone and asininely insist that a convicted murderer in Carlton Dotson is innocent simply because you hate a prosecutor and lie about Elliott being vindicated by a non-existent video and proclaim all rape victims liars, who cares what you think?Robemcdo said:My understanding is that despite the fact that PH lawyers seems to point the finger at Baylor for horribly mishandling the accusation of Sam, they also indicated that according to the evidence they had seen, he should have been found innocent. Not sure that made it to the FOF. It kind of lessens the effect of the term 'horrifying' if the horrifying event did not in fact happen.Malbec said:Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
You have zero credibility, you're a hack.
There's been enough visions at Baylor this century but if Starr had set up Title IX like every other school, Briles would have suspended Sam and made it public prior to the trial while informing the public what was happening, Starr wouldn't have brought in PH, who had access to everything, and more likely than not Baylor would have been like OU with a bunch of bodies hidden in a closet. Nevertheless, this was a case of no vision.
Your really are trying too hard. Maybe you should just spill your conspiracy theories and let me ask the questions to mix things up.Malbec said:Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
But I will answer your questions as best I can.
You have embellished what they said with "was limited".
From the FofF:
In August 2015, Baylor University engaged Pepper Hamilton to conduct an independent and external review of Baylor University's institutional response to Title IX and related compliance issues through the lens of specific cases
From Shillinglaw about scope of PH:
Baylor granted Pepper Hamilton unfettered access to personnel and University records, and instructed the law firm to follow the facts wherever they might lead.
From Shillinglaw about text messages
While examining how the University responded to Title IX requirements, Pepper Hamilton kept coming across examples of other misconduct within the football program
At some point, Pepper Hamilton stopped collecting such examples, which were not directly within the scope of its engagement.
No idea of the number of test cases they looked at other than the were not all football.
If you hired an auditor to look at your Twinkies and they discovered half your Cup Cakes were missing, any good auditor is gonna tell you about the Cup Cakes. It is not a Cup Cake conspiracy.
But wasn't it Board members who wrote the FOF?
Baylor did a Title IX investigation into the SU case and did not remove him from campus. That means Baylor's investigation was below the preponderance of the evidence standard. In simple terms Baylor ruled in Sam's favor.Robemcdo said:My understanding is that despite the fact that PH lawyers seems to point the finger at Baylor for horribly mishandling the accusation of Sam, they also indicated that according to the evidence they had seen, he should have been found innocent. Not sure that made it to the FOF. It kind of lessens the effect of the term 'horrifying' if the horrifying event did not in fact happen.Malbec said:Why was PH investigating and commenting on the transfer of a football athlete, when the Board (and PH for that matter) stated REPEATEDLY that its scope of investigation was limited to the university's response to Title IX complaints university-wide? How many cases did PH investigate that did not involve football players? Other athletes?Keyser Soze said:Yep. from Shillinglaw:MilliVanilli said:Are you really that clueless?Bearwitness8223 said:MilliVanilli said:Almost everything. He swears Carlton Dotson, a convicted murderer, is innocent with zero proof beyond absurd ranting.Eastside Bear said:You have repeatedly called Robe a liar on this board. What exactly has he lied about? Details, not insults, please.MilliVanilli said:You're mocked because you're an agenda driven liar that pretends he's powerful instead of an irrelevant hack on an entertainment message board.Robemcdo said:MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your Canadian dollars will vindicate him...Robemcdo said:Robert Wilson said:NoBSU said:Well there was that little thing. Why did he need new lawyers?xiledinok said:Robert Wilson said:
Whatever happened to Shawn Oakman?
Is the McLennan County DA ever going to try that case? Just the arrest and indictment ruined Oakman's life, so it seems like a trial is in order to determine whether it was appropriate. Wasn't that about 2 years ago?
They had to delay it because Oakman had to get new lawyers.
$$$$ is what these guys need for legal defense but their supporters on Baylor boards offer them only post count (especially when the post scores a valueless internet point for Ian or Art).
Franko started a fund to help Oakman keep his chosen lawyers. Some money was given. IMO, everyone deserves a competent defense. I imagine lots of people get nervous about the optics of giving money for someone who has been charged with rape.
Not everyone
That's the spirit .
Let's mock someone who does not live in your country who is financially trying to assist someone in need who DOES live in your country .
We need more like you .
He swears all rape victims are lying.
He swears some mythical video tape vindicates Tevin Elliott, and he wants to pretend Elliott and Sam U. are the lone issues with the disgraced former regime and that if he can disqualify those that he'll vindicate his fallen hero.
He's not after justice, he's after an absurd fantasy agenda.
It's actually shameful he's pretending to give two shakes of a stick about any of these alleged mishandlings of Sam U. because he'd let him rot if he didn't think it would help him promote a fantasy about an unemployable football coach returning to the sidelines.
He's also PMed fellow lunatics on here spreading lies that posters are regents and Baylor lawyers, it's hilarious how paranoid he is.
He's also a Canadian that claims some sort of affiliation with Ian McCaw and is constantly here launching absurd apologetics about the very AD that destroyed Baylor football with his incompetence, negligence and complicit collusion with unacceptable events.
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
You're hedging your hopes of vindicating Briles, McCaw, Starr, and Shillinglaw on Sam U.?
You really must not understand much of anything that has happened.
"However, while the report on Ukwuachu's transfer exonerated Baylor of any recruiting
wrongdoing, Pepper Hamilton advised the Board that the results of its investigation into other
cases would not be so encouraging. The law firm warned that Baylor's handling of Ukwuachu's
sexual assault charge, as well as other cases being examined by Pepper Hamilton, could have a
major impact on the school and could present the Board with some very difficult decisions."
So are you sure PH said Baylor handled Sam's case horribly wrong?
If Sam U is found not guilty the first time around, there is no media firestorm about the fact that Baylor cleared him or that Bennett said they expected him back. There is no statement from Petersen about what he told Briles, because no one cares. The Texas Monthly article gains no traction because it's about Baylor "covering up" someone who was cleared anyway. ESPN and OTL don't show up to start digging into how rape accusations are handled at Baylor, because there is no reason to think they aren't handled properly. Other victims aren't encouraged/emboldened to come forward. Baylor isn't pressured into doing an internal investigation into how sexual assault cases are handled. PH is never hired, and none of the stuff that came out of that investigation is uncovered. It doesn't change a thing about what actually happened, but it absolutely would've changed what followed.
You can certainly say that clearing Sam U now doesn't vindicate Briles or anyone else. You can argue it was better for Baylor in the long run for it all to get discovered. But it would be hard to make a convincing argument that it all would've come out by now anyway. TE conviction was old news at that point. Media didn't care. The way sexual assault cases were being handled was certainly nothing new. No one cared until the Sam U case. Everything flowed from that. It's possible something else would've triggered it soon afterward, but extremely unlikely. Nothing had triggered it before then and it had been going on for years.
You can certainly say that clearing Sam U now doesn't vindicate Briles or anyone else. You can argue it was better for Baylor in the long run for it all to get discovered. But it would be hard to make a convincing argument that it all would've come out by now anyway. TE conviction was old news at that point. Media didn't care. The way sexual assault cases were being handled was certainly nothing new. No one cared until the Sam U case. Everything flowed from that. It's possible something else would've triggered it soon afterward, but extremely unlikely. Nothing had triggered it before then and it had been going on for years.
Robemcdo said:
But wasn't it Board members who wrote the FOF?
Who did write the FOF? Was it Board members or a Board member?
They were called?Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:
Maybe they were led by the Holy Spirit.
I know some frogs and some red raiders who were pretty 'outraged' at Baylor for SU not being found guilty by the Title IX investigation. They have been oddly silent about any outrage they may have about Nassar being cleared by MSU's Title IX investigation.
It is interesting to see when people will pretend to care about things.
It is interesting to see when people will pretend to care about things.
You keep quoting a defendant's legal pleading to answer questions concerning the scope of an external investigation commissioned by the institution. Where is your proof that nine times as many Title IX cases that DIDN'T involve football players were investigated by PH as the ones involving football players? How about any evidence to show that only an equal number of Title IX cases not involving football players were investigated as those that did involve football players? How about any evidence that a single Title IX case was investigated by PH that didn't involve a football player or other athlete?
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
The people who gave us the 19/17/4 for football players also said football was 10% of the problem. Beyond that, we have Baylor court filings or we await discovery. You know that though.Malbec said:
You keep quoting a defendant's legal pleading to answer questions concerning the scope of an external investigation commissioned by the institution. Where is your proof that nine times as many Title IX cases that DIDN'T involve football players were investigated by PH as the ones involving football players? How about any evidence to show that only an equal number of Title IX cases not involving football players were investigated as those that did involve football players? How about any evidence that a single Title IX case was investigated by PH that didn't involve a football player or other athlete?
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
NoBSU said:The people who gave us the 19/17/4 for football players also said football was 10% of the problem. Beyond that, we have Baylor court filings or we await discovery. You know that though.Malbec said:
You keep quoting a defendant's legal pleading to answer questions concerning the scope of an external investigation commissioned by the institution. Where is your proof that nine times as many Title IX cases that DIDN'T involve football players were investigated by PH as the ones involving football players? How about any evidence to show that only an equal number of Title IX cases not involving football players were investigated as those that did involve football players? How about any evidence that a single Title IX case was investigated by PH that didn't involve a football player or other athlete?
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
My recollection is that the BOFR members who went to the WSJ said 19/17/4. Crawford said Athletics was 10%.
xiledinok said:
There's been enough visions at Baylor this century but if Starr had set up Title IX like every other school, Briles would have suspended Sam and made it public prior to the trial while informing the public what was happening, Starr wouldn't have brought in PH, who had access to everything, and more likely than not Baylor would have been like OU with a bunch of bodies hidden in a closet. Nevertheless, this was a case of no vision.
Briles did suspend SU; it just wasn't public. It became public when Bennett was asked about SU and said he had some matters to clear up before he'd see the field.
Malbec said:
You keep quoting a defendant's legal pleading to answer questions concerning the scope of an external investigation commissioned by the institution. Where is your proof that nine times as many Title IX cases that DIDN'T involve football players were investigated by PH as the ones involving football players? How about any evidence to show that only an equal number of Title IX cases not involving football players were investigated as those that did involve football players? How about any evidence that a single Title IX case was investigated by PH that didn't involve a football player or other athlete?
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
90/10 is from Patty Crawford not the regents or PH, not that anyone has ever been saying there were not wide spread problems in other places
correctYoakDaddy said:NoBSU said:The people who gave us the 19/17/4 for football players also said football was 10% of the problem. Beyond that, we have Baylor court filings or we await discovery. You know that though.Malbec said:
You keep quoting a defendant's legal pleading to answer questions concerning the scope of an external investigation commissioned by the institution. Where is your proof that nine times as many Title IX cases that DIDN'T involve football players were investigated by PH as the ones involving football players? How about any evidence to show that only an equal number of Title IX cases not involving football players were investigated as those that did involve football players? How about any evidence that a single Title IX case was investigated by PH that didn't involve a football player or other athlete?
19/17/4.....what's the other number that resulted from the investigation? You know....the number of OTHER allegations NOT involving the football team?
Just because you say "conspiracy theory" doesn't make it one. Just because you are a character, doesn't mean you have character.
My recollection is that the BOFR members who went to the WSJ said 19/17/4. Crawford said Athletics was 10%.
xiledinok said:
There's been enough visions at Baylor this century but if Starr had set up Title IX like every other school, Briles would have suspended Sam and made it public prior to the trial while informing the public what was happening, Starr wouldn't have brought in PH, who had access to everything, and more likely than not Baylor would have been like OU with a bunch of bodies hidden in a closet. Nevertheless, this was a case of no vision.
That is simply not true. Title IX cases are not publicized like that.
What about Frank Shannon at OU? It worked out fairly well for him and OU. They did the exact thing I suggested.D. C. Bear said:xiledinok said:
There's been enough visions at Baylor this century but if Starr had set up Title IX like every other school, Briles would have suspended Sam and made it public prior to the trial while informing the public what was happening, Starr wouldn't have brought in PH, who had access to everything, and more likely than not Baylor would have been like OU with a bunch of bodies hidden in a closet. Nevertheless, this was a case of no vision.
That is simply not true. Title IX cases are not publicized like that.
George Truett said:Ummm....no.Robemcdo said:Bona Fide Bear said:We all have a vested interest in justice being properly served. SU doesn't change anything that happened under CAB, even if the CABers will turn it into more proof that CAB was actually a really moral man, even though he let allegations stop at his door, regardless of how terrible the protocol was at the University as a whole and he accepted a settlement that keeps him from clearing his name. However, if SU is allowed to go free, then a wrongly accused, determined by the justice system, man will allowed to live a life as a free man.MilliVanilli said:
You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.
Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?
Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?
Sam and Elliott form the foundation for this whole mess. Without these two blocks the whole thing comes down
If by "the whole thing" you mean the reason for Briles' firing.
He was fired for failure to follow university policies, including Title IX, to which he has basically admitted guilt.
Whether SU is convicted has no bearing on the causes for Briles' dismissal.
He was not terminated for cause...BU decided to exercise their contractual right to buy him out.
Didn't the girl who was allegedly assaulted by Ukwuachu sue the school and the school settled? I'm just wondering what Baylor did wrong in that case.
He was fired. They paid him a little more than Todd Graham, who had less time remaining on his contract than Briles. After looking at ASU, Baylor didn't fork out any more money than if he was 1-11 or 2-10, or 15-0.Eball said:George Truett said:Ummm....no.Robemcdo said:Bona Fide Bear said:We all have a vested interest in justice being properly served. SU doesn't change anything that happened under CAB, even if the CABers will turn it into more proof that CAB was actually a really moral man, even though he let allegations stop at his door, regardless of how terrible the protocol was at the University as a whole and he accepted a settlement that keeps him from clearing his name. However, if SU is allowed to go free, then a wrongly accused, determined by the justice system, man will allowed to live a life as a free man.MilliVanilli said:
You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.
Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?
Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?
Sam and Elliott form the foundation for this whole mess. Without these two blocks the whole thing comes down
If by "the whole thing" you mean the reason for Briles' firing.
He was fired for failure to follow university policies, including Title IX, to which he has basically admitted guilt.
Whether SU is convicted has no bearing on the causes for Briles' dismissal.
He was not terminated for cause...BU decided to exercise their contractual right to buy him out.
Does it make people feel better to "exercise their contractual right to buy him out"?
Eball said:George Truett said:Ummm....no.Robemcdo said:Bona Fide Bear said:We all have a vested interest in justice being properly served. SU doesn't change anything that happened under CAB, even if the CABers will turn it into more proof that CAB was actually a really moral man, even though he let allegations stop at his door, regardless of how terrible the protocol was at the University as a whole and he accepted a settlement that keeps him from clearing his name. However, if SU is allowed to go free, then a wrongly accused, determined by the justice system, man will allowed to live a life as a free man.MilliVanilli said:
You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.
Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?
Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?
Sam and Elliott form the foundation for this whole mess. Without these two blocks the whole thing comes down
If by "the whole thing" you mean the reason for Briles' firing.
He was fired for failure to follow university policies, including Title IX, to which he has basically admitted guilt.
Whether SU is convicted has no bearing on the causes for Briles' dismissal.
He was not terminated for cause...BU decided to exercise their contractual right to buy him out.
Lol. Incorrect.
YesChanceux said:
Didn't the girl who was allegedly assaulted by Ukwuachu sue the school and the school settled? I'm just wondering what Baylor did wrong in that case.
Psychological help and academic accommodations. There is a whole litany of things a University should do to accommodate an alleged victim that was not up and running.
George Truett said:Ummm....no.Robemcdo said:Bona Fide Bear said:We all have a vested interest in justice being properly served. SU doesn't change anything that happened under CAB, even if the CABers will turn it into more proof that CAB was actually a really moral man, even though he let allegations stop at his door, regardless of how terrible the protocol was at the University as a whole and he accepted a settlement that keeps him from clearing his name. However, if SU is allowed to go free, then a wrongly accused, determined by the justice system, man will allowed to live a life as a free man.MilliVanilli said:
You are hopeful, huh? What personal investment do you have in this, oh that's right, you're a Canadian that claims ties to Ian McCaw.
Shouldn't your primary concern be trying to spring that convicted murderer Carlton Doton that you swear is innocent?
Isn't that the most vital domino in your scheme to paint the prosecutors you hate as invalid?
Sam and Elliott form the foundation for this whole mess. Without these two blocks the whole thing comes down
If by "the whole thing" you mean the reason for Briles' firing.
He was fired for failure to follow university policies, including Title IX, to which he has basically admitted guilt.
Whether SU is convicted has no bearing on the causes for Briles' dismissal.
Soo they paid him millions because he didn't follow university policies?? Nice logic GT missed ya bud!
Not necessarily. If McCraw looked at the evidence and said Sam was good to go, then there is no reason an office with a different sign on the door would be any different. Preponderance of proof was not in the accusers. favour. All you had to do was read her phone, which McCraw did. This was a non-story until good ole McLennan County decided to make up their own rules.xiledinok said:
There's been enough visions at Baylor this century but if Starr had set up Title IX like every other school, Briles would have suspended Sam and made it public prior to the trial while informing the public what was happening, Starr wouldn't have brought in PH, who had access to everything, and more likely than not Baylor would have been like OU with a bunch of bodies hidden in a closet. Nevertheless, this was a case of no vision.
NoBSU said:Because Briles' attorney filed to separate him from Baylor's defense in the Hernandez case and substitute counsel. He asked for all the defense records. There was a pending mediation date set on the Hernandez case. Briles settled with Baylor and withdrew a day before the mediation. Hernandez ' s attorney claimed Briles attorney suggested Briles may side with her at the mediation. In short, Briles had some leverage and used it for his buy-out.Bearwitness8223 said:Drunken hookup @ old main said:Quote:
If Ukwuachu was cleared like he should have been do you think his "Baylor scandal" takes place?
Nope, but Briles would still be ducking JA and our Regents would still be sponsoring a rape victim shaming COO, so... yay us?
Lol classic moron. If he was ducking JA why didn't the regents fire him for that and not pay him a dime?? Your theory has holes buddy. And what proof do you have that they shamed coeds besides the media?? I thought so NEXT!!
Innocence will give you pretty good leverage won't it?? That's why they paid him till he was filthy rich to walk away.
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