ColomboLQ said:

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Chanceux said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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You hope OU doesn't get punished for sweeping stuff under the rug? I'm bout at the point where I wanna see every school burn. The piling on and hyperbolic bullmess that Baylor and its alums had to endure for what happened here is more than enough to gleefully watch other schools get the same ball peen hammer treatment.

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No, what I mean is that I really hope that it isn't true that all these universities are purposefully treating victims in such a malicious and callous way. But if it is true, then yes, I want them punished to kingdom come.

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Well then I have bad news for ya. Our missteps probably don't hold a candle to Oklahoma during Stoops and Texas during Mack Brown. There ain't no telling how much crap those programs have buried over the years. Gary Patterson basically crapped all over a rape victim at TCU. Kansas, KSU, Ok St, all have and had problems. Heck Ok St. is patient zero for Title IX and rape.

There's just not a journalist with any integrity in Texas or Oklahoma to go after them.

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By comparison, our fans wore black #CAB shirts.

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They may not be wearing #IZZO shirts...but they are chanting "we love Izzo" while wearing their victim support shirts

Looks like Mich AG might be MSU's Pepper Hamilton...but their findings won't just be delivered orally

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chukronos said:

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By comparison, our fans wore black #CAB shirts.

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They may not be wearing #IZZO shirts...but they are chanting "we love Izzo" while wearing their victim support shirts

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Gee I hope they got the right guy.

ColomboLQ said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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with a pistol and a switchblade

Impossible

We're unmatched on planet Earth

boognish_bear said:

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Looks like Mich AG might be MSU's Pepper Hamilton...but their findings won't just be delivered orally

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This is more than PH equivalent. PH was basically a self study abused by the BOR as a hatchet to get rid of people they didn't want around anymore.

This is an actual criminal investigation by the state's AG. His will result in prosecutions.

Evidently there are now calls for a Congressional investigation into Mich State as per 20/20 last night.

PartyBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Looks like Mich AG might be MSU's Pepper Hamilton...but their findings won't just be delivered orally

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This is more than PH equivalent. PH was basically a self study abused by the BOR as a hatchet to get rid of people they didn't want around anymore.

This is an actual criminal investigation by the state's AG. His will result in prosecutions.

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..... the mental gymnastics required to believe they wanted to fire the most successful coach ever .......

we'z not a foosball school

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/if-ncaa-ignores-baylor-rape-scandal-it-deserves-the-death-penalty/2017/01/31/e597cbb4-e7b9-11e6-bf6f-301b6b443624_story.html

by contrast

https://www.theathletic.com/223555/2018/01/26/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-was-alerted-to-michigan-state-sexual-assault-reports-in-2010/

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we'z not a foosball school

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Not an institution of football - same as MSU, UT, Bama , or any school

ESPN with the latest:

Former Michigan State counselor says Mark Dantonio needs to accept individual responsibility

I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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ESPN with the latest:

Former Michigan State counselor says Mark Dantonio needs to accept individual responsibility

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So will Alswede negotiate for book and movie rights ala Patti Crawford?

Chanceux said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Chanceux said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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You hope OU doesn't get punished for sweeping stuff under the rug? I'm bout at the point where I wanna see every school burn. The piling on and hyperbolic bullmess that Baylor and its alums had to endure for what happened here is more than enough to gleefully watch other schools get the same ball peen hammer treatment.

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No, what I mean is that I really hope that it isn't true that all these universities are purposefully treating victims in such a malicious and callous way. But if it is true, then yes, I want them punished to kingdom come.

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Well then I have bad news for ya. Our missteps probably don't hold a candle to Oklahoma during Stoops and Texas during Mack Brown. There ain't no telling how much crap those programs have buried over the years. Gary Patterson basically crapped all over a rape victim at TCU. Kansas, KSU, Ok St, all have and had problems. Heck Ok St. is patient zero for Title IX and rape.

There's just not a journalist with any integrity in Texas or Oklahoma to go after them.

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If that's the case, there needs to be independent investigations (by lawyers or investigators or journalists all of which can have no connection to the school or area whatsoever) occurring at every single D1 university, especially the P5 schools. This **** needs to stop.

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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Why? It won't erase the outcome of the Cotton Bowl and after the pain we have felt by pathetic leadership who could wish that on anyone except aggy.

Notice the Big Ten leadership isn't demanding answers, wthholding money and threatening to expel them from the conference.

If it does, it won't be OTL that does it....they know how to push back against those lightweights. If they fall it'll be deserved and led by the Attorney General

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If it does, it won't be OTL that does it....they know how to push back against those lightweights. If they fall it'll be deserved and led by the Attorney General

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Won't be the first time they have butted heads...in 2016 and 2017 they were in legal disputes with ESPiN

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Gust Avrakotos said:

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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Why? It won't erase the outcome of the Cotton Bowl and after the pain we have felt by pathetic leadership who could wish that on anyone except aggy.

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Because I want them to start firing coaches and administrators like we did and to cave to media pressure. I hope this gets Dantoni and Izzo. Hopefully their interim leaders are cowards like our BOR.

Gust Avrakotos said:

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Judge said:

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Gust Avrakotos said:

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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Why? It won't erase the outcome of the Cotton Bowl and after the pain we have felt by pathetic leadership who could wish that on anyone except aggy.

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Because I want them to start firing coaches and administrators like we did and to cave to media pressure. I hope this gets Dantoni and Izzo. Hopefully their interim leaders are cowards like our BOR.

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boognish_bear said:

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Gust Avrakotos said:

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Judge said:

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Gust Avrakotos said:

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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Why? It won't erase the outcome of the Cotton Bowl and after the pain we have felt by pathetic leadership who could wish that on anyone except aggy.

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Because I want them to start firing coaches and administrators like we did and to cave to media pressure. I hope this gets Dantoni and Izzo. Hopefully their interim leaders are cowards like our BOR.

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When do they start slamming their fists on a table and say "This is not my MSU"? When do they start falling down and "crying out to God"?

ColomboLQ said:

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Chanceux said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Chanceux said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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After reading that story, it's almost unbelievable how much trouble MSU has gone to to conceal things from the public and from journalistic inquiries. What is being found is really really bad. I wonder just how much similar stuff would be found at Baylor if Baylor were required to release information the way public schools are.

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Crazy thing is all of this would have probably stayed swept under the rug forever if it had not been for the Larry Nassar bomb going off

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That is so unbelievably true. I know we say that stuff in Waco happens everywhere, but man, I hope stuff like this isn't happening everywhere like this. It's really scary to think about it.

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Make no mistake, Bob Stoops stepped down pre-emptively because this type of time bomb is waiting in Norman too, and with he and Boren exiting ahead of it they can pretend they already cleaned house and leave the program otherwise unscathed.

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I know that is the rumor, but the human being inside of me really hopes that isn't the case. I mean, if this is really happening like this on all of these college campuses, how can anyone feel safe sending their daughter anywhere?

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You hope OU doesn't get punished for sweeping stuff under the rug? I'm bout at the point where I wanna see every school burn. The piling on and hyperbolic bullmess that Baylor and its alums had to endure for what happened here is more than enough to gleefully watch other schools get the same ball peen hammer treatment.

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No, what I mean is that I really hope that it isn't true that all these universities are purposefully treating victims in such a malicious and callous way. But if it is true, then yes, I want them punished to kingdom come.

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Well then I have bad news for ya. Our missteps probably don't hold a candle to Oklahoma during Stoops and Texas during Mack Brown. There ain't no telling how much crap those programs have buried over the years. Gary Patterson basically crapped all over a rape victim at TCU. Kansas, KSU, Ok St, all have and had problems. Heck Ok St. is patient zero for Title IX and rape.

There's just not a journalist with any integrity in Texas or Oklahoma to go after them.

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If that's the case, there needs to be independent investigations (by lawyers or investigators or journalists all of which can have no connection to the school or area whatsoever) occurring at every single D1 university, especially the P5 schools. This **** needs to stop.

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Couldn't agree more. But it won't as long as administrators -- and fans -- are willing to support bad-acting players over those they victimize and enable win-at-all-cost coaches to bring these types of guys on campus with impunity.

I think you could solve some of this pretty quickly by taking player discipline out of coaches' hands for off-field issues and holding athletes to the exact same academic and conduct standards you do the general student population -- and that starts with entrance requirements. But I can't see that happening any time soon.

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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Why? It won't erase the outcome of the Cotton Bowl and after the pain we have felt by pathetic leadership who could wish that on anyone except aggy.

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And the senility strikes again, who the hell cares about the 2014 Cotton Bowl? We're talking about justice for rape victims, what an asinine lead for your sentence but it's par for the course I guess.

Gust Avrakotos said:

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I hope this scandal rips through Mich St and brings that program to its knees.

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I just hope justice is served. I couldn't care less about an athletic program's success. It seems like people are more concerned about "scandal" and less concerned about real victims. WAC being one of them doesn't surprise me in the least.

It might occur when someone with a sliver of impathy hears account after account of MSU coeds getting beat or raped

What happened with these players in terms of the DA's office and police. Our people who were fired advised victims to call the police and in fact there were a couple of arrests and charges filed. Was any athlete prosecuted out of Michigan State? I thought I had read about 16 alleged rapes by football players since 2007. Was anyone ever arrested in East Lansing? If not why the hell not? So far Izzo and Dantonio are still HCs there.

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It might occur when someone with a sliver of impathy hears account after account of MSU coeds getting beat or raped

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Possibly. Or it could be someone hiding behind Christianity in defending their actions when supposedly trying to do the "right" thing. Time will tell.

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So far Izzo and Dantonio are still HCs there.

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The AG is just beginning an investigation. It's still very early.

When they finish with MSU, start to head South - UofM, TOSU....

Bury all of the ****heads.

Russell Gym said:

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PartyBear said:

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So far Izzo and Dantonio are still HCs there.

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The AG is just beginning an investigation. It's still very early.

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They arent even suspended pending a criminal investigation. MSU already knows what it needs to know to determine if they should still be the HCs and I doubt that is exculpatory and exhonerating information. The President and AD are already out.