Always fun to see the Leach disrupting the "powers that be".
I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
Yeah, his offense really sucks. Hopefully he is staying up late and losing sleep watching juggernaut Matt Rhule's Baylor offense. LOL!bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
First, notice I said typically.Grumpy said:
You mean the offense he built at OU as Offensive Coordinator that won a national championship in 2000-01?
Where did anyone say his offense sucks? This is that lack of nuance I was talking about in the other thread. The Leach spread is a great offense for winning seven to nine games a year. But his team's have two to four games every season where the offense sputters, and they're not built defensively to win on those nights.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Yeah, his offense really sucks. Hopefully he is staying up late and losing sleep watching juggernaut Matt Rhule's Baylor offense. LOL!bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
He's never coached at a place that has or gets elite talent to begin with. He's gotten (maximized) the most out of the talent he's actually had at both Washington St and Texas Tech. And I think Lincoln Riley seems to be doing pretty well with that offense as well.bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
I agree that Leach was a good fit for Tech and is a good fit for Washington State in that his offense maximizes the talent he gets at schools (and cities) that are difficult to recruit to. But Leach got every bit the talent at Tech that Briles got to Waco, and he only had one season in 10 years that was as good as what Briles averaged his last five years at Baylor. That's because his offense has limitations that Briles' didn't.ColomboLQ said:He's never coached at a place that has or gets elite talent to begin with. He's gotten (maximized) the most out of the talent he's actually had at both Washington St and Texas Tech. And I think Lincoln Riley seems to be doing pretty well with that offense as well.bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
I never said he was as good as Briles. Few are. I think Briles is in the top .0001% of coaches that know how to maximize talent. But I do think Leach did as well or better than just about any other coach could have.bear2be2 said:I agree that Leach was a good fit for Tech and is a good fit for Washington State in that his offense maximizes the talent he gets at schools (and cities) that are difficult to recruit to. But Leach got every bit the talent at Tech that Briles got to Waco, and he only had one season in 10 years that was as good as what Briles averaged his last five years at Baylor. That's because his offense has limitations that Briles' didn't.ColomboLQ said:He's never coached at a place that has or gets elite talent to begin with. He's gotten (maximized) the most out of the talent he's actually had at both Washington St and Texas Tech. And I think Lincoln Riley seems to be doing pretty well with that offense as well.bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
And while Lincoln Riley has definitely been influenced and inspired by the Leach Air Raid, he doesn't run the same offense that Leach does. Oklahoma runs significantly more and more effectively than did Tech/does Wazzou, and they take far more shots downfield. Leach's offense is close to 75 percent pass and almost solely reliant on short and intermediate crossing routes for its success.
The only Leach disciples who run true Air Raid offenses are Sonny Dykes and Kliff Kingsbury and both have experienced the same limitations as head coaches that Leach has, only to a far greater degree. And even Kingsbury has kind of followed Dana Holgerson's lead and started emphasizing the run game more in recent years.
PartyBear said:
I sure hope WSU represents the PAC North in the championship game and not UW. Do those two play each other in Pullman his season.
bear2be2 said:I think it probably has more to do with the fact that no one really believes Wazzou can/will run the table the rest of the way. They've got a shot until they lose another one, but Leach's history suggests they're due an egg or two before the end of the season.Grumpy said:
Funny how the folks on College Gameday said it was an important game for Oregon since they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Umm, both teams were 5-1 going in. Amazing how ESPN only wants the marquee teams to be on top.
For the record, I like Leach and think he's a good coach and a great fit for Washington State. But he's only coached one team in his career that lost fewer than three games, and that offense isn't one that typically produces championships.
Grumpy said:
You mean the offense he built at OU as Offensive Coordinator that won a national championship in 2000-01?
Mangino was the offensive coordinator at OU and changed the offense around when OU won the National Championship you referenced. It wasn't Leach.Grumpy said:
RYou mean the offense he built at OU as Offensive Coordinator that won a national championship in 2000-01?
Mangino was the offensive coordinator at OU and changed the offense around when OU won the National Championship you referenced. It wasn't Leach.Grumpy said:
RYou mean the offense he built at OU as Offensive Coordinator that won a national championship in 2000-01?
Boy howdy that is a shocker!ColomboLQ said:
I never said he was as good as Briles. Few are. I think Briles is in the top .0001% of coaches that know how to maximize talent. But I do think Leach did as well or better than just about any other coach could have.
I'm not sure who "those of us who know football" are, but I'm pretty sure you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to win a national championship.Thee University said:Boy howdy that is a shocker!ColomboLQ said:
I never said he was as good as Briles. Few are. I think Briles is in the top .0001% of coaches that know how to maximize talent. But I do think Leach did as well or better than just about any other coach could have.
I suppose you truthfully meant to say offensive talent. Unfortunately for those of us who know football it takes much, much more than a record setting offense to win National Championships much less go undefeated in your conference.
True but I would bet I am light years ahead of you knowing what it takes to get there. Hell, your savior sure doesn't know.ColomboLQ said:I'm not sure who "those of us who know football" are, but I'm pretty sure you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to win a national championship.Thee University said:Boy howdy that is a shocker!ColomboLQ said:
I never said he was as good as Briles. Few are. I think Briles is in the top .0001% of coaches that know how to maximize talent. But I do think Leach did as well or better than just about any other coach could have.
I suppose you truthfully meant to say offensive talent. Unfortunately for those of us who know football it takes much, much more than a record setting offense to win National Championships much less go undefeated in your conference.
I never claimed to know. Out of the two of us, one of us clearly understands what they know and, more importantly, understands what they don't know.Thee University said:True but I would bet I am light years ahead of you knowing what it takes to get there. Hell, your savior sure doesn't know.ColomboLQ said:I'm not sure who "those of us who know football" are, but I'm pretty sure you know absolutely nothing about what it takes to win a national championship.Thee University said:Boy howdy that is a shocker!ColomboLQ said:
I never said he was as good as Briles. Few are. I think Briles is in the top .0001% of coaches that know how to maximize talent. But I do think Leach did as well or better than just about any other coach could have.
I suppose you truthfully meant to say offensive talent. Unfortunately for those of us who know football it takes much, much more than a record setting offense to win National Championships much less go undefeated in your conference.
Whatever anybody else says, Leach has always done more with less.Timbear said:
Leach's D is currently ranked 49th. Not terrible. Baylor's is 94th, but after only 1 1/2yrs.