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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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Easing off "I know for a fact"....transitioning into some spokesman for the American public....

1. You aren't qualified to speak for the American Public. I realize you have 10-12 voices in your head, but I"m pretty sure no one nominated you to speak for the group
1b. Who cares the public says? What exactly do they know? This is/was/will be an in-house issue, that goes far further back than 2016 and much larger than just Briles.
2. Rule of thumb: Anyone who has to oversell their message or who they are is full of crap - 99.9999% of the time. X is our version of R Kelly.

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No, I m fairly well informed how it went down with Mixon.

The America public cannot stand Art. Try paying attention. Pull your head out of that sand dune. The on!y people who think Art's not responsible in anyway are derps. You think those negative Art stores don't get clicks? Art was clicked all the way to the front page of ESPN.com when the last job opportunity went down the pot.

R.Kelly? I already used him with Shill, Art and Coach Jerry this morning. Looks like R. Kelly went the Art route and blew himself up.

The public is the paying college football consumer. Art is an overpriced college football coach. They would rather focus on the guy making the big bucks who brings the players on campus.

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The American public is stupid.

You seem to operate on what others believe instead of looking at the situation subjectively.

This is why you take the media's side. You like to be spoon fed the opinions. At the end of the day, you agree with the same people that never want to see BU football on the field again.

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They arent as naive or shelled up as you. The educated class thinks Briles is a gangsta who got popped and is not remorseful. College football fans dont like Briles.

I try to look at things objectively. You don't have to explain to me how college coaches, administrators and regents can screw up a school or football program. The SMU Mustangs took place and I live 35 minutes from OU.

Bu football on the field again? Is this a Tapps or home schooled inferiority issue? We have a football program. We won a bowl game and beat an SEC school. Sucks you are all about offense, asshxling Lamar and scheduling no one outside the league.

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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Again, lets bring this back to Art....

The conversation never moves forward, it only pivots, for this very reason.

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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Again, lets bring this back to Art....

The conversation never moves forward, it only pivots, for this very reason.

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Hero worship is why it does not move forward - people can not accept their super successful coach's fall from grace.

Keyser Soze said:

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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The general public has the same disgust in our leadership/BoR/your employers for a problem that existed way before Briles and yet they all kept their positions. Not one stepped down. Yet you twist and bend over backwards defending them for years. Your selective criticism and hero worship remains well intact.

The general public gives a collective yawn at our BOR

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The general public gives a collective yawn at our BOR

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And that's exactly what they were counting on when they painted this a football problem. If there was ever a doubt where you get your talking points. Sad. Pathetic.

Yet they remain, and you pop up out of nowhere to defend them every time there's a new negative deposition, newspaper article, former employee/witness etc... and they are far more impactful on our university as a whole, than any football coach.

Of course the general public yawns at our BOR's involvement. The BOR is a faceless, nameless, backroom entity that is known by no one, and is accountable to no one. Really Christian, right? Alums don't know who they are, where they are, when they meet, nothing. When the Briles haters run out of facts, they always fall back on "well, he's lost in the court of public opinion", or " the American Public doesn't believe him". The American public is easily fooled by social media, and the BOR is stupid if they think many BU's have anything but contempt for them. So KS and others, cut out the general public BS.

Keyser Soze said:

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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Bingo!

This board is chock full of hero fluffers. They used to just fluff Art and the staff but now are out of control and fluffing each other.

Thee, you sure seem to know a lot about, and talk a lot about fluffing.

Shawn Oakman....Not Guilty

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Shawn Oakman....Not Guilty

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Did you say "not guilty"?

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Thee, you sure seem to know a lot about, and talk a lot about fluffing.

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Yes I do. Saw it all at Baylor in Penland.

Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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Again, lets bring this back to Art....

The conversation never moves forward, it only pivots, for this very reason.

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Hero worship is why it does not move forward - people can not accept their super successful coach's fall from grace.

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I would posit that many, including me, cannot move forward until all have been held accountable and all facts have been aired no matter where they lead.

Agree Thee, thank the Lord Kokernot had real men, student athletes n 69, 70.

Kokernot had the non club poor guys, Penland had the club member rich guys. I was in Martin. Maybe Kokernot was jealous because other dorms actually washed their clothes.

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Keyser Soze said:

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CNC said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.

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Again, lets bring this back to Art....

The conversation never moves forward, it only pivots, for this very reason.

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Hero worship is why it does not move forward - people can not accept their super successful coach's fall from grace.

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I would posit that many, including me, cannot move forward until all have been held accountable and all facts have been aired no matter where they lead.

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I respect that. But typing here doesn't get to them. You need to be willing to go the public confrontation route.

Btw, no one has mentioned Dary Stone's name in long while. Where is he these days?

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Agree Thee, thank the Lord Kokernot had real men, student athletes n 69, 70.

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I was in Kokernot in 68 and it cost $65 per semester but did not have air conditioning.

Keyser must be in that sleezy,holier than thou, we're big Christians group called the Baylor BOR that lives in the shadows with no accountability, but "to God". Must be nice. It really is sickening.

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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Hold on a minute there....5 senior admins at Baylor knew about TE's alleged assaults before athletics was notified and he was kicked out of school in late April 2012 right before his arrest....so senior admins thought it was ok for at least 9 months prior to his dismissal....just sayin'.

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I assume far more than that knew. Athletics knew of his investigation in November of 2011, Very shortly after they found out. Athletics was not in the dark. Yes, JA moved slowly and that was a problem.

.... the point of the TE example makes it clear there can be very good reason to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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Even if athletics had known (didn't see them copied on those emails), at least 5 senior admins knew yet allowed him to remain a student for several more months. I don't believe minimalizing the lack of action to "JA moved slowly" was just "a problem"; it was an unnecessary high risk given his record of assaults. I know we agree that this case is a good example as to a very good reason(s) to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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Awe. Look. The village idiot follows another one of my posts. Is it about me??. Sad. Even though I've had him On ignore for years and he knows I don't read them. Speaking of jokes..

(I wonder if he'll get desperate again and start sending me PMs again...knowing I don't read those either. Can't make this stuff up! )

Want to bet he posts again?!

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It's a Caber specialty to obsess over what they swear they're ignoring and act like it's someone else with a problem.

Can't wait for your next reply about what you swear you aren't keeping up with.

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Shawn Oakman....Not Guilty

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Is this your latest battle cry as you pleasure yourself?

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... I know we agree that this case is a good example as to a very good reason(s) to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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Didn't Baylor do that with Jeremy Faulk?

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Even if athletics had known (didn't see them copied on those emails), at least 5 senior admins knew yet allowed him to remain a student for several more months. I don't believe minimalizing the lack of action to "JA moved slowly" was just "a problem"; it was an unnecessary high risk given his record of assaults. I know we agree that this case is a good example as to a very good reason(s) to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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He failed to tell you that JA had to explain to athletics why it was that they couldn't provide them with information previously when it hit the fan in the Elliot case. To suggest that athletics (and football specifically) was informed, is beyond disingenuous.

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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Hold on a minute there....5 senior admins at Baylor knew about TE's alleged assaults before athletics was notified and he was kicked out of school in late April 2012 right before his arrest....so senior admins thought it was ok for at least 9 months prior to his dismissal....just sayin'.

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I assume far more than that knew. Athletics knew of his investigation in November of 2011, Very shortly after they found out. Athletics was not in the dark. Yes, JA moved slowly and that was a problem.

.... the point of the TE example makes it clear there can be very good reason to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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Even if athletics had known (didn't see them copied on those emails), at least 5 senior admins knew yet allowed him to remain a student for several more months. I don't believe minimalizing the lack of action to "JA moved slowly" was just "a problem"; it was an unnecessary high risk given his record of assaults. I know we agree that this case is a good example as to a very good reason(s) to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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David Murdock of Judicial Affairs sent TE a letter on Nov 11 2011 that he was under investigation for violation of the student conduct code. Associate AD Paul Bradshaw was copied on this letter and provide a copy of the police report at the same time. This was for unwanted touching of the MCC girl.

Now Briles only had one big time mole / fixer inside the AD depart in Shillinglaw, so maybe they can pretend football didn't know.

He was a suspect in the rape of a TCU girl at a Waco club in the spring of 2011 but the police did not move forward for lack of evidence. Not sure what Baylor officials could have done with that especially with no Baylor victim filing a complaint. Baylor could really do nothing with this and admins certainly could not do anything outside formal JA procedures which had started.

There were other cases involving TE, but these were not know until after the arrest for the Hernandez rape in April 2012 - the same month he was kicked out.

Now football definitely could have kicked TE out of school in the fall of 2011. They were monitoring his academic probation (Starr had removed the monitoring of TE from JA and gave it to football against guidelines and to the protest of JA) . While on academic probation, TE was caught cheating on test. Any other student would have been kicked out at this point, nothing happened.

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Keyser must be in that sleezy,holier than thou, we're big Christians group called the Baylor BOR that lives in the shadows with no accountability, but "to God". Must be nice. It really is sickening.

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You can just ask me - right here.

FWIW I'm a Libertarian who thinks drugs, gambling, and prostitution should all be legal. Not sure that would let me fit in with the holier than thou crowd though I am a Christian.

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Keyser must be in that sleezy,holier than thou, we're big Christians group called the Baylor BOR that lives in the shadows with no accountability, but "to God". Must be nice. It really is sickening.

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You can just ask me - right here.

FWIW I'm a Libertarian who thinks drugs, gambling, and prostitution should all be legal. Not sure that would let me fit in with the holier than thou crowd though I am a Christian.

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FWIW, I'm a Republican and oppose the legalization of drugs, gambling, and prostitution. I'm a Christian.

Keyser is a Christian brother with whom I'd celebrate the Lord's table

Thanks - I count on grace a great deal.

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Thanks - I count on grace a great deal.

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We all do

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Of course the general public yawns at our BOR's involvement. The BOR is a faceless, nameless, backroom entity that is known by no one, and is accountable to no one. Really Christian, right? Alums don't know who they are, where they are, when they meet, nothing. When the Briles haters run out of facts, they always fall back on "well, he's lost in the court of public opinion", or " the American Public doesn't believe him". The American public is easily fooled by social media, and the BOR is stupid if they think many BU's have anything but contempt for them. So KS and others, cut out the general public BS.

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The general public didn't grow up in a box. Outside the bubble, Briles crew are derps. It must be a TAPPS thing for our fans failing to understand what happen and why Art is gone (most everywhere else they understand and won't be hiring Lying Fake Art).

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Keyser must be in that sleezy,holier than thou, we're big Christians group called the Baylor BOR that lives in the shadows with no accountability, but "to God". Must be nice. It really is sickening.

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He's actually not but if it makes you feel better to fabricate evidence to scapegoat people, I'll be happy to laugh at you when you're proven wrong.

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Agree Thee, thank the Lord Kokernot had real men, student athletes n 69, 70.

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I heard good things about Kokernot. Brooks was loaded with BEARS!

Tellme, the only thing that's been proven is the absolute disaster your BOR idiots have made of their secret governance of Baylor.

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Agree Thee, thank the Lord Kokernot had real men, student athletes n 69, 70.

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I heard good things about Kokernot. Brooks was loaded with BEARS!

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Yep. the riot in 80 was legendary.

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Tellme, the only thing that's been proven is the absolute disaster your BOR idiots have made of their secret governance of Baylor.

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"My" BOR. You really showed your youth on that one.

I'd never pass their litmus test, trust me.

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Agree Thee, thank the Lord Kokernot had real men, student athletes n 69, 70.

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I heard good things about Kokernot. Brooks was loaded with BEARS!

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What were the other dorms loaded with? Snob.