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One of the essential questions in all this:

Who goes to the football coaches to report crimes? And, why? What's wrong with putting in place a policy that directs a student to report these issues to judicial affairs or the police?

Don't. Go. To. The. Football. Coaches. For. Help.

I'd like to say that university police departments are a reasonable choice for help. But they aren't either.

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Actually that is an irrelevant question - if they go to coaches the coaches have an obligation to report it. Once they report it coaches are done with it, simple.

Not disagreeing it would be better for any victim to report in other places, but so what. The girl didn't - zero excuse for those who didn't act properly after that.

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She reported that she...didn't file charges. In the eyes of the LAW, no crime was committed. My point is that certain people should be kept out of the loop, first and foremost the player's coaches. It's actually a better idea than the ability to report to anyone. There's nothing wrong with a system that works towards fairness and better and more equitable proceedings/resolutions.

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If you want to appear to not take violence against women seriously, this is how you do it. Not saying you are, but at every turn you are dismissive is a bad way.

You knowledge of victims of violence seems very naive.

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Again, that's a ridiculous assertion. I think it's strange that someone post not filing charges would go to the coaches to try and elicit a punishment, which btw I believe he ended up getting.

I don't just assume anyone is a victim or a criminal unless I've got all the available information. Rushing to judgment is a blight on modern society, but it makes for fun fodder for the uneducated masses.

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Post not filing charges? how do you know that ? - really does not matter

Shouldn't assume ..... correct ..... hard to get all the facts when the fixers make it go away and never see the light of day. You are just cool with that because no criminal charges were filed. That is ridiculous.

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I'm saying that since she had a police report in hand at the time she went to the coaches that she (a) hadn't filed charges or (b) wasn't going to file charges so long as the coaches did something. She went to the coaches for a resolution, which is maddening to me, but also very reflective of the nature of who and what universities are dealing with, which would be 20-something kids and their relationships. These are essentially children in adult bodies with unfettered access to drugs and alcohol.

And at Baylor, with all its struggles to conform to today's world, these issues get magnified. Race, religion, affluence...these are real problems. I wouldn't want to be somebody who had to dredge those waters on a day-to-day basis.

I'm not "cool" with anything. I align myself with the laws of this state, unattached to emotion. I'm "cool" with setting up a system where there is almost no wiggle room for these kind of incidences to be handled incorrectly. Victims need rigid protocol just as much as the accused. Give me a system where the state or feds are the first to know.

but you are OK with coaches and AD making it go away

You are OK with Baylor's rules being ignored by Baylor employees.

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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You are OK with Baylor's rules being ignored by Baylor employees.

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No, but I'm not cool with someone who claims to be a victim acting unilaterally either. The volleyball story is a perfect example of how these cases get screwed up. That family had every opportunity (re: mom and dad knew) to work through the correct legal channels, but chose the coaches. For a possible RAPE!

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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And this is why you are dismissive.


Most victims of assault (and especially sexual assault which is not the case here) are scared, intimidated, and many times suffer PTSD. The girl didn't press charges but withdrew from Baylor. None of that implies nothing happened.

Two years later, after she had re-enrolled, she met with a learning accommodations specialist for help. She reported additional incidences with Oakman. The specialist reported they had never seen someone this scared and upset. The specialist reported immediately to JA & T9.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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One of the essential questions in all this:

Who goes to the football coaches to report crimes? And, why? What's wrong with putting in place a policy that directs a student to report these issues to judicial affairs or the police?

Don't. Go. To. The. Football. Coaches. For. Help.

I'd like to say that university police departments are a reasonable choice for help. But they aren't either.

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Actually that is an irrelevant question - if they go to coaches the coaches have an obligation to report it. Once they report it coaches are done with it, simple.

Not disagreeing it would be better for any victim to report in other places, but so what. The girl didn't - zero excuse for those who didn't act properly after that.

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She reported that she...didn't file charges. In the eyes of the LAW, no crime was committed. My point is that certain people should be kept out of the loop, first and foremost the player's coaches. It's actually a better idea than the ability to report to anyone. There's nothing wrong with a system that works towards fairness and better and more equitable proceedings/resolutions.

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If you want to appear to not take violence against women seriously, this is how you do it. Not saying you are, but at every turn you are dismissive is a bad way.

You knowledge of victims of violence seems very naive.

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Again, that's a ridiculous assertion. I think it's strange that someone post not filing charges would go to the coaches to try and elicit a punishment, which btw I believe he ended up getting.

I don't just assume anyone is a victim or a criminal unless I've got all the available information. Rushing to judgment is a blight on modern society, but it makes for fun fodder for the uneducated masses.

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Post not filing charges? how do you know that ? - really does not matter

Shouldn't assume ..... correct ..... hard to get all the facts when the fixers make it go away and never see the light of day. You are just cool with that because no criminal charges were filed. That is ridiculous.

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I'm saying that since she had a police report in hand at the time she went to the coaches that she (a) hadn't filed charges or (b) wasn't going to file charges so long as the coaches did something. She went to the coaches for a resolution, which is maddening to me, but also very reflective of the nature of who and what universities are dealing with, which would be 20-something kids and their relationships. These are essentially children in adult bodies with unfettered access to drugs and alcohol.

And at Baylor, with all its struggles to conform to today's world, these issues get magnified. Race, religion, affluence...these are real problems. I wouldn't want to be somebody who had to dredge those waters on a day-to-day basis.

I'm not "cool" with anything. I align myself with the laws of this state, unattached to emotion. I'm "cool" with setting up a system where there is almost no wiggle room for these kind of incidences to be handled incorrectly. Victims need rigid protocol just as much as the accused. Give me a system where the state or feds are the first to know.

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Is this the one that she didn't want reported because it was group sex with a video of her egging the players on?

Different one - and the one you are thinking of made a claim of rape not group sex

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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And this is why you are dismissive.


Most victims of assault (and especially sexual assault which is not the case here) are scared, intimidated, and many times suffer PTSD. The girl didn't press charges but withdrew from Baylor. None of that implies nothing happened.

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WRONG AGAIN!


SCARED

INTIMIDATED

PTSD

SO MUCH SO THAT SHE WILLED WITHIN HERSELF THE FORTITUDE TO REPORT TO...WAIT FOR IT...



THE COACHES! THE COACHES! NOT JUDICIAL AFFAIRS! NOT EVEN BAYLOR PD!

Do you see the fallacy in what you're saying? I'm not trying to be rude, but YOU are the one willing to boil this down to a simplicity. YOU are affirming something as a TRUTH based on "most victims of assault". I don't know. I'm pointing out that there are inconsistencies in all this.

I'm not some bleeding heart advocate. I'm pro LAW. I'm extremely pro common sense. I'm pro empowering anyone who's an alleged victim to go to authorities and pursue allegations to the utmost.

The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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X, reminds me of Joe Pesci's character in JFK. Might even look like him.
* All over the map on comments
* Constantly paranoid
* Rants on not sure what
* Using "I know for a fact" now, its fun.

I'm not sure on X's age, but I'm pretty sure he was conceived the day before the pull-out-early method was invented.

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He's a caractature. The embodiment of a cliche. It's literally not believable that a real person wastes this much time on a football forum, incoherently ranting (sober and drunk...but very little difference between the two) about one person. A person who doesn't even know he exists. But yet...there he is. Oblivious to the fact that he is the joke that he is.

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And yet you don't have him or Milli on ignore.
And yet you respond to their lies

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OWNED is a great reminder of what a life wasted looks like. No reason to put him on ignore. Village Idiot I can't read unless someone quotes. Anyone who calls Baylor fathers RAPE ENABLERS because they disagree on our leadership, is not worth reading. Ive responsed to others when they quote him....but not him. I even ignore his PMs. Talk about desperate. He's followed my posts for years..even on the old forum..hoping I'll read and engage.

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What a cry baby! Rape enabler gets a few blind fans upset? What kind of dads and grandpas get that upset at an internet poster?
You guys cannot ignore failures at every level.
The public will not ignore it.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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And this is why you are dismissive.


Most victims of assault (and especially sexual assault which is not the case here) are scared, intimidated, and many times suffer PTSD. The girl didn't press charges but withdrew from Baylor. None of that implies nothing happened.

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WRONG AGAIN!


SCARED

INTIMIDATED

PTSD

SO MUCH SO THAT SHE WILLED WITHIN HERSELF THE FORTITUDE TO REPORT TO...WAIT FOR IT...



THE COACHES! THE COACHES! NOT JUDICIAL AFFAIRS! NOT EVEN BAYLOR PD!

Do you see the fallacy in what you're saying? I'm not trying to be rude, but YOU are the one willing to boil this down to a simplicity. YOU are affirming something as a TRUTH based on "most victims of assault". I don't know. I'm pointing out that there are inconsistencies in all this.

I'm not some bleeding heart advocate. I'm pro LAW. I'm extremely pro common sense. I'm pro empowering anyone who's an alleged victim to go to authorities and pursue allegations to the utmost.

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Pro rape enabler? You come off as a blow hard. Sorry the coaches just weren't fit men for hiring adult challenges.

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but you are OK with coaches and AD making it go away

You are OK with Baylor's rules being ignored by Baylor employees.

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Did Ramsower or the Baylor PD ever make things go away? Did Ramsower ever say: Don't commit it to paper?

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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And this is why you are dismissive.


Most victims of assault (and especially sexual assault which is not the case here) are scared, intimidated, and many times suffer PTSD. The girl didn't press charges but withdrew from Baylor. None of that implies nothing happened.

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WRONG AGAIN!


SCARED

INTIMIDATED

PTSD

SO MUCH SO THAT SHE WILLED WITHIN HERSELF THE FORTITUDE TO REPORT TO...WAIT FOR IT...



THE COACHES! THE COACHES! NOT JUDICIAL AFFAIRS! NOT EVEN BAYLOR PD!

Do you see the fallacy in what you're saying? I'm not trying to be rude, but YOU are the one willing to boil this down to a simplicity. YOU are affirming something as a TRUTH based on "most victims of assault". I don't know. I'm pointing out that there are inconsistencies in all this.

I'm not some bleeding heart advocate. I'm pro LAW. I'm extremely pro common sense. I'm pro empowering anyone who's an alleged victim to go to authorities and pursue allegations to the utmost.

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Pro rape enabler? You come off as a blow hard. Sorry the coaches just weren't fit men for hiring adult challenges.

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I come off as someone who has a firm, well-thought-out position. The coaching staff should have acted according to university policy. That's not up for debate and I wouldn't begin to defend them not following university code. But, I also know that it's odd for any victim to go to college coaches and not authorities.

Volleyball story: Her parents knew! Did they have PTSD? Are they not lucid enough to go to police? Were they incapable of reporting a crime?

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do. Also, I'm not going to take some guy that lives in Oklahoma telling me about a world to explore. Keep that extraneous crap to yourself buddy.

I don't care about the coaching staff. I'm referencing a much larger problem in society.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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but you are OK with coaching making it go away

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If she isn't going to press charges, there's nothing I would do. Period. The law says someone is innocent of a crime. That federal policy was garbage and I'm glad it's gone.

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And this is why you are dismissive.


Most victims of assault (and especially sexual assault which is not the case here) are scared, intimidated, and many times suffer PTSD. The girl didn't press charges but withdrew from Baylor. None of that implies nothing happened.

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WRONG AGAIN!


SCARED

INTIMIDATED

PTSD

SO MUCH SO THAT SHE WILLED WITHIN HERSELF THE FORTITUDE TO REPORT TO...WAIT FOR IT...



THE COACHES! THE COACHES! NOT JUDICIAL AFFAIRS! NOT EVEN BAYLOR PD!

Do you see the fallacy in what you're saying? I'm not trying to be rude, but YOU are the one willing to boil this down to a simplicity. YOU are affirming something as a TRUTH based on "most victims of assault". I don't know. I'm pointing out that there are inconsistencies in all this.

I'm not some bleeding heart advocate. I'm pro LAW. I'm extremely pro common sense. I'm pro empowering anyone who's an alleged victim to go to authorities and pursue allegations to the utmost.

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Pro rape enabler? You come off as a blow hard. Sorry the coaches just weren't fit men for hiring adult challenges.

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I come off as someone who has a firm, well-thought-out position. The coaching staff should have acted according to university policy. That's not up for debate and I wouldn't begin to defend them not following university code.

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Go ahead and lie to your bosses today and see if you get fired. Even in crunch time, Shill and Art were lying and being misleading. Perhaps in small towns with no football tradition bosses tolerate those things. Not anywhere important.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do.

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All you have done is research on the topic? That's what's wrong with Art and the robe touchers. They think they know it all then fall flat like fools when they misplay their cards.

xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do.

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All you have done is research on the topic? That's what's wrong with Art and the robe touchers. They think they know it all then fall flat like fools when they misplay their cards.

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I don't even know what you're arguing about. I just said I wasn't going to defend the coaching staff's actions. Don't go full okie tard on me.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do. Also, I'm not going to take some guy that lives in Oklahoma telling me about a world to explore. Keep that extraneous crap to yourself buddy.

I don't care about the coaching staff. I'm referencing a much larger problem in society.

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Where do you live? You might need to get outside your peer group.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do.

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All you have done is research on the topic? That's what's wrong with Art and the robe touchers. They think they know it all then fall flat like fools when they misplay their cards.

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I don't even know what you're arguing about. I just said I wasn't going to defend the coaching staff's actions. Don't go full okie tard on me.

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You need to go ahead and bury yourself in a sand dune. There's a need for clean debris less cotton fields in West Texas.
Jeez, let's blow off a Title IX meeting and expect to stay in school.


The public to failures to show:
"Take your Church's Chicken application and make sure you know how to give change. The manager will meet with you shortly."

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do.

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All you have done is research on the topic? That's what's wrong with Art and the robe touchers. They think they know it all then fall flat like fools when they misplay their cards.

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I don't even know what you're arguing about. I just said I wasn't going to defend the coaching staff's actions. Don't go full okie tard on me.

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Jeez, let's blow off a Title IX meeting and expect to stay in school.

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But if you're Ramsower - the guy that's been sweeping a university problem under the rug for decades - or the university police chief - the guy that's been encouraging victims to not report for decades - you get a sweet retirement plan.

Shillinglaw got what he deserved. Some other people got more than they deserved. I think the percentage of the problem assigned to athletics in general was overblown and purposely done to help the university cover its own misdeeds...according to a federal mandate that I didn't agree with and is now trashed.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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Sure. I agree with that. But humanity doesn't play by the rules in all cases. Who am I (who is a university) to intervene when no crime, judged by the state, has been committed? Who am I to ignore an alleged victim's plea to "not say anything"?

It's why alleged victims/alleged defendants/university employees should all be separated. You want justice? Let the state/feds take care of it.

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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It's not exactly kangaroo court. You poor guys try to chip away at everything. The American public just isn't as gullible as old Art and crew believe. The public gets to bring their life experience to the table when deciding Art and company aren't remorseful. There's a big world outside the Fieldhouse waiting for you guys to explore.

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Yeah, you haven't done enough research into the topic as a whole. Get back to me when you do.

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All you have done is research on the topic? That's what's wrong with Art and the robe touchers. They think they know it all then fall flat like fools when they misplay their cards.

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I don't even know what you're arguing about. I just said I wasn't going to defend the coaching staff's actions. Don't go full okie tard on me.

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Jeez, let's blow off a Title IX meeting and expect to stay in school.

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But if you're Ramsower - the guy that's been sweeping a university problem under the rug for decades - or the university police chief - the guy that's been encouraging victims to not report for decades - you get a sweet retirement plan.

Shillinglaw got what he deserved. Some other people got more than they deserved. I think the percentage of the problem assigned to athletics in general was overblown and purposely done to help the university cover its own misdeeds...according to a federal mandate that I didn't agree with and is now trashed.

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RR is retiring and is unknown to the general public. He was the most dangerous guy on campus. Guys older than me were told to steer clear of him. Art could still be coaching but he cannot go out without a bang.
Some people screwed up and were quite. The public did not take notice. And you had the guys who didn't go quietly and America cannot stand them.

Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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How are 100% certain that Art Briles wasn't scapegoated?

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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How are 100% certain that Art Briles wasn't scapegoated?

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Yes, there were mistakes at every level. He just decided to make the most noise and was the headliner.
He didn't have any issue threatening the school to expose it to more damages. It's the reason he got his $15 million parting gift.
Plus, go lie to your bosses and get caught. See what happens.

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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Hold on a minute there....5 senior admins at Baylor knew about TE's alleged assaults before athletics was notified and he was kicked out of school in late April 2012 right before his arrest....so senior admins thought it was ok for at least 9 months prior to his dismissal....just sayin'.

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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Easing off "I know for a fact"....transitioning into some spokesman for the American public....

1. You aren't qualified to speak for the American Public. I realize you have 10-12 voices in your head, but I"m pretty sure no one nominated you to speak for the group
1b. Who cares the public says? What exactly do they know? This is/was/will be an in-house issue, that goes far further back than 2016 and much larger than just Briles.
2. Rule of thumb: Anyone who has to oversell their message or who they are is full of crap - 99.9999% of the time. X is our version of R Kelly.

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Keyser Soze said:

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The fallacy is trying to discern right or wrong from the logic or lack of logic of a victim. What she should of done, could have done, is zero excuse.

You claim to pro-law, except for the ones you disagree with.

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Ok. So it's fine for you to say she acted in a certain way because "according to my magical statistics/studies that are obviously irrefutable on any level" that's just the way it is. Right?

You're right, though. I didn't agree with a crackpot and subversive federal mandate that propped up kangaroo courts to ensure that justice, in fact, WASN'T served. If the state has already had its say, I'm not good with the Feds overruling it.

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The point is it does not matter how she acts or who she reports to.

Right or wrong is not relevant - that is for Judicial Affairs / Title 9. Just report it. It is not the athletic departments call.


We learned Tevin Elliott was a serial rapist in 2012. I believe his first rape was around 2010. He was not sentenced until January of 2014. So according to you, it would have been OK to keep him on campus for a year and a half.


FYI - any court that can accurately be described as a kangaroo court is NOT follow the rules of T9 (yes I know some have existed). That is a problem with people, not the rules.

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Hold on a minute there....5 senior admins at Baylor knew about TE's alleged assaults before athletics was notified and he was kicked out of school in late April 2012 right before his arrest....so senior admins thought it was ok for at least 9 months prior to his dismissal....just sayin'.

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I assume far more than that knew. Athletics knew of his investigation in November of 2011, Very shortly after they found out. Athletics was not in the dark. Yes, JA moved slowly and that was a problem.

.... the point of the TE example makes it clear there can be very good reason to remove someone long before the criminal process concludes.

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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Easing off "I know for a fact"....transitioning into some spokesman for the American public....

1. You aren't qualified to speak for the American Public. I realize you have 10-12 voices in your head, but I"m pretty sure no one nominated you to speak for the group
1b. Who cares the public says? What exactly do they know? This is/was/will be an in-house issue, that goes far further back than 2016 and much larger than just Briles.
2. Rule of thumb: Anyone who has to oversell their message or who they are is full of crap - 99.9999% of the time. X is our version of R Kelly.

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No, I m fairly well informed how it went down with Mixon.

The America public cannot stand Art. Try paying attention. Pull your head out of that sand dune. The on!y people who think Art's not responsible in anyway are derps. You think those negative Art stores don't get clicks? Art was clicked all the way to the front page of ESPN.com when the last job opportunity went down the pot.

R.Kelly? I already used him with Shill, Art and Coach Jerry this morning. Looks like R. Kelly went the Art route and blew himself up.

The public is the paying college football consumer. Art is an overpriced college football coach. They would rather focus on the guy making the big bucks who brings the players on campus.

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xiledinok said:

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GruntTuff said:

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Name the principals in the MSU mess. Can't, but everyone knows the names of the basketball and football coaches. The public cares nada about administrators...they want to focus on big names.

The slime ball PR firm hired by Baylor in the fall of 2016 knew that. Give the leering press a big name target and you boys stay anonymous.

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The America public would rather focus on the slime ball coach taking $15 million and showing no remorse. The public would rather focus on him than the boring school administrator. Plus, the college educated public knows those regents are volunteers and generally don't live in the community.

I think most high paid football coaches know they are the ones in trouble when they lose control of their program. The poor faculty gets underpaid and embarrassed the dimwit ball coach cannot keep his problems under control. Most schools expect their coaches to keep their athletes out of the police blog.

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Easing off "I know for a fact"....transitioning into some spokesman for the American public....

1. You aren't qualified to speak for the American Public. I realize you have 10-12 voices in your head, but I"m pretty sure no one nominated you to speak for the group
1b. Who cares the public says? What exactly do they know? This is/was/will be an in-house issue, that goes far further back than 2016 and much larger than just Briles.
2. Rule of thumb: Anyone who has to oversell their message or who they are is full of crap - 99.9999% of the time. X is our version of R Kelly.

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No, I m fairly well informed how it went down with Mixon.

The America public cannot stand Art. Try paying attention. Pull your head out of that sand dune. The on!y people who think Art's not responsible in anyway are derps. You think those negative Art stores don't get clicks? Art was clicked all the way to the front page of ESPN.com when the last job opportunity went down the pot.

R.Kelly? I already used him with Shill, Art and Coach Jerry this morning. Looks like R. Kelly went the Art route and blew himself up.

The public is the paying college football consumer. Art is an overpriced college football coach. They would rather focus on the guy making the big bucks who brings the players on campus.

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The American public is stupid.

You seem to operate on what others believe instead of looking at the situation subjectively.

This is why you take the media's side. You like to be spoon fed the opinions. At the end of the day, you agree with the same people that never want to see BU football on the field again.

The general public is not nearly as stupid as the hero worship crowd.