Keyser Soze said:

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BTW - where is that list of specifics about regents you claim and didn't produce.

Still waiting.

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Nice try. Never promised a list. In fact, said it would be hard for anyone to provide, since they made sure there was NEVER transparency at any point when it came to their actions. But I did hold them responsibility for lack of oversight and failure to act in the universities best interest. I did point to testimony as depositions under oath by previous employees, even their own interim president. Even articles and quotes from Previous BoR members. I did point to conflicts of interest, meddling, etc even their own PH report addressed. You dismissed it all.

You see,OWNED (X), THEE, OLD bigot, are caricatures you find only on a football forum. No one takes them seriously. You wrap your selective outrage around selective criteria, present it as fact, but move the bar when it comes to how it's applied. It's far more dangerous. It excuses inexcusable behavior from our leaders and ensure we get "more of the same" in the future. It's intellectual dishonesty.

Keep shilling. Keep earning those checks. Your reputation is solid.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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accused by an ex-gf of rape prior

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Since when was he accused of rape before? Where's the evidence of this?

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Correct answer is accused of domestic violence not rape by first (or earlier) girlfriend. This was reported to asst AD Shillinglaw and assistant coaches. Reference to police report on computer found by PH. This never saw the light of day and was not reported to JA as it should have. Jan 2013 off the top of my head.

Case never went to trial - Oak got a one game suspension against big underdog SMU for violation of unspecified team rules.

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Exactly. A fairly GIANT discrepancy.

This is why we can't be LAZY about facts.

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Violence against women is still a big deal. This was also one of the biggest points that football was not just covering up minor things.

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Say it with me: IT AIN'T RAPE!

And I know you've seen that girl's "bruises" re: nonexistent. But yeah, what a wonderful idea to put rape and barely-seeable bruises together in the same vein. This is like the Blanchard deal. A big bag of stupid, petty 20-year-olds being drunk and doing drunk things.

If the cops get called and the girl doesn't press charges, what the heck is anyone supposed to do? That's why that portion of Title IX sucks. Who is some university official (OR WORSE A STUDENT) to decide that somebody committed an offense? Nick Saban said it best, "No charges were filed! What do you want ME to do?"

I agree that violence is an issue with athletes, but no girl should be approaching a college football coach about what their boyfriend did to them. Go to the authorities.

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I agree violence is bad ...... please read how I dismiss and minimize

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Look, it's just not rape. Never going to be. The difference between hitting someone and brutally raping them is a mile apart. SITUATIONAL. ETHICS.

Gender/domestic violence is the same as any other form of violence in my book. And the legal system has a perfectly fine way of categorizing violence.

If any school wants to get ahead of the problem, they need to bring in local LEO's during welcome week and have them do a talk about empowerment.

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HEY ! I'm the one clarifying that the other incident was not rape.

I don't think it is your intent, but you come across as dismissive of violence.

Does not really matter if you or I agree on reporting requirements under Title IX - they exist. One Baylor student made a claim of violence against another Baylor student and it should have been reported by athletics, who knew all about it, to Judicial Affairs.

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I'm certainly not trying to dismiss violence as an issue. But we, as a society, have begun to blur the lines between minor and major offenses. Grabbing someone on their butt without their permission is bad and should be punished, but it's not rape. A shoving match between two drunk college kids in a relationship isn't the same as going to a bar, getting blackout drunk and then returning to home to beat the hell out of your wife.

I want to trumpet common sense and empowerment. We all should.

You guys most not realize that it's impossible to get rid of all the regents. Progress was made with Willis and a few going off the board. It is a Baptist Church Country Club set up to keep the evangelical nut jobs from turning Baylor into Bible college.
The general public puts it on the athletic department because of the high number of issues compared to the rest of the school. Art and them just look like unremorseful villains.

The L is associated with Briles.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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accused by an ex-gf of rape prior

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Since when was he accused of rape before? Where's the evidence of this?

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Correct answer is accused of domestic violence not rape by first (or earlier) girlfriend. This was reported to asst AD Shillinglaw and assistant coaches. Reference to police report on computer found by PH. This never saw the light of day and was not reported to JA as it should have. Jan 2013 off the top of my head.

Case never went to trial - Oak got a one game suspension against big underdog SMU for violation of unspecified team rules.

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Exactly. A fairly GIANT discrepancy.

This is why we can't be LAZY about facts.

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Violence against women is still a big deal. This was also one of the biggest points that football was not just covering up minor things.

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Say it with me: IT AIN'T RAPE!

And I know you've seen that girl's "bruises" re: nonexistent. But yeah, what a wonderful idea to put rape and barely-seeable bruises together in the same vein. This is like the Blanchard deal. A big bag of stupid, petty 20-year-olds being drunk and doing drunk things.

If the cops get called and the girl doesn't press charges, what the heck is anyone supposed to do? That's why that portion of Title IX sucks. Who is some university official (OR WORSE A STUDENT) to decide that somebody committed an offense? Nick Saban said it best, "No charges were filed! What do you want ME to do?"

I agree that violence is an issue with athletes, but no girl should be approaching a college football coach about what their boyfriend did to them. Go to the authorities.

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I agree violence is bad ...... please read how I dismiss and minimize

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Look, it's just not rape. Never going to be. The difference between hitting someone and brutally raping them is a mile apart. SITUATIONAL. ETHICS.

Gender/domestic violence is the same as any other form of violence in my book. And the legal system has a perfectly fine way of categorizing violence.

If any school wants to get ahead of the problem, they need to bring in local LEO's during welcome week and have them do a talk about empowerment.

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HEY ! I'm the one clarifying that the other incident was not rape.

I don't think it is your intent, but you come across as dismissive of violence.

Does not really matter if you or I agree on reporting requirements under Title IX - they exist. One Baylor student made a claim of violence against another Baylor student and it should have been reported by athletics, who knew all about it, to Judicial Affairs.

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I'm certainly not trying to dismiss violence as an issue. But we, as a society, have begun to blur the lines between minor and major offenses. Grabbing someone on their butt without their permission is bad and should be punished, but it's not rape. A shoving match between two drunk college kids in a relationship isn't the same as going to a bar, getting blackout drunk and then returning to home to beat the hell out of your wife.

I want to trumpet common sense and empowerment. We all should.

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You don't have a problem with sexual battery?

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MilliVanilli said:

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But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

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So in other words, you thought Oakman was guilty b/c he's black?

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In other words cabers such as you make up what ever shameless narrative you please because you're moral and intellectual cowards reduced to pouting on a message board for years on end.

You're actual bonafide racists and misogynists and its high time you put away the #CAB t-shirts and either got lives or found a new team to root for, your good ol' boy club is over.

howhardcanitbe said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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This seems similar to victim blaming of females. How is it not OK to do this to females but OK to do this to Shawn Oakman?

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Whatever gymnastics you Cabers need to make to feel justified you certainly will, the plain truths of reality be damned.

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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Art Briles made mistakes and may very well should have been fired. I hope Matt Rhule can get us back to a high level. The people that run our school have brought shame and dishonor to all of us. To this day, not a single one of them has made an effort to defend our school. They have embarrassed all of us. We should expect better from our leadership.

Yes, I am a CABer.

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Pretty incoherent rant to say that Art deserved fired and that you back his fireable ways.

And pretty much talking out of your ass as usual to think some mythical culprits haven't defended the school.

When are you dramatically announcing that you are quitting this board and adopting another screen name for yet another time?

MilliVanilli said:

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CNC said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

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So in other words, you thought Oakman was guilty b/c he's black?

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In other words cabers such as you make up what ever shameless narrative you please because you're moral and intellectual cowards reduced to pouting on a message board for years on end.

You're actual bonafide racists and misogynists and its high time you put away the #CAB t-shirts and either got lives or found a new team to root for, your good ol' boy club is over.

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WTH? Look behind you. You might see that line you crossed a while back.

MilliVanilli said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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Art Briles made mistakes and may very well should have been fired. I hope Matt Rhule can get us back to a high level. The people that run our school have brought shame and dishonor to all of us. To this day, not a single one of them has made an effort to defend our school. They have embarrassed all of us. We should expect better from our leadership.

Yes, I am a CABer.

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Pretty incoherent rant to say that Art deserved fired and that you back his fireable ways.

And pretty much talking out of your ass as usual to think some mythical culprits haven't defended the school.

When are you dramatically announcing that you are quitting this board and adopting another screen name for yet another time?

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Mythical culprits? It is really not difficult to look up the names of the Baylor Board of Regents.

I reckon I will quit the board when I'm dead and get another screen name the next time I get banned. Hope that helps.

MilliVanilli said:

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howhardcanitbe said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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This seems similar to victim blaming of females. How is it not OK to do this to females but OK to do this to Shawn Oakman?

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Whatever gymnastics you Cabers need to make to feel justified you certainly will, the plain truths of reality be damned.

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I'm not making any justification? I mean, sure, you could bring Briles into it--but it has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Do you really not see a similarity between placing blame on Oakman by saying he was stupid enough to put himself in a situation...and people saying that a rape victim was stupid to put her/himself in a situation?

It has not nothing to do with Briles, Baylor, football, or even sports in general. Either this kind of blaming is permissible or it isn't.

Malbec said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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CNC said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

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So in other words, you thought Oakman was guilty b/c he's black?

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In other words cabers such as you make up what ever shameless narrative you please because you're moral and intellectual cowards reduced to pouting on a message board for years on end.

You're actual bonafide racists and misogynists and its high time you put away the #CAB t-shirts and either got lives or found a new team to root for, your good ol' boy club is over.

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WTH? Look behind you. You might see that line you crossed a while back.

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I forget what it's like to read the village idiot until someone quotes him.

Hilarious he claims the moral high ground. He spent years calling fathers and grandfathers who had daughters at Baylor. RAPE ENABLERS. RAPE APOLOGISTS. Let that sink in. Those fathers embraced a vicious act of rape Because they wanted to hold the BoR equally responsible their hypocrisy on an issue that was campus wide...BEFORE Briles .

He's a bigger joke than X. Put him on ignore. He's the most ignored user on this forum and it isn't even close. And that's hard to do.

xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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accused by an ex-gf of rape prior

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Since when was he accused of rape before? Where's the evidence of this?

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Correct answer is accused of domestic violence not rape by first (or earlier) girlfriend. This was reported to asst AD Shillinglaw and assistant coaches. Reference to police report on computer found by PH. This never saw the light of day and was not reported to JA as it should have. Jan 2013 off the top of my head.

Case never went to trial - Oak got a one game suspension against big underdog SMU for violation of unspecified team rules.

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Exactly. A fairly GIANT discrepancy.

This is why we can't be LAZY about facts.

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Violence against women is still a big deal. This was also one of the biggest points that football was not just covering up minor things.

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Say it with me: IT AIN'T RAPE!

And I know you've seen that girl's "bruises" re: nonexistent. But yeah, what a wonderful idea to put rape and barely-seeable bruises together in the same vein. This is like the Blanchard deal. A big bag of stupid, petty 20-year-olds being drunk and doing drunk things.

If the cops get called and the girl doesn't press charges, what the heck is anyone supposed to do? That's why that portion of Title IX sucks. Who is some university official (OR WORSE A STUDENT) to decide that somebody committed an offense? Nick Saban said it best, "No charges were filed! What do you want ME to do?"

I agree that violence is an issue with athletes, but no girl should be approaching a college football coach about what their boyfriend did to them. Go to the authorities.

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I agree violence is bad ...... please read how I dismiss and minimize

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Look, it's just not rape. Never going to be. The difference between hitting someone and brutally raping them is a mile apart. SITUATIONAL. ETHICS.

Gender/domestic violence is the same as any other form of violence in my book. And the legal system has a perfectly fine way of categorizing violence.

If any school wants to get ahead of the problem, they need to bring in local LEO's during welcome week and have them do a talk about empowerment.

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HEY ! I'm the one clarifying that the other incident was not rape.

I don't think it is your intent, but you come across as dismissive of violence.

Does not really matter if you or I agree on reporting requirements under Title IX - they exist. One Baylor student made a claim of violence against another Baylor student and it should have been reported by athletics, who knew all about it, to Judicial Affairs.

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I'm certainly not trying to dismiss violence as an issue. But we, as a society, have begun to blur the lines between minor and major offenses. Grabbing someone on their butt without their permission is bad and should be punished, but it's not rape. A shoving match between two drunk college kids in a relationship isn't the same as going to a bar, getting blackout drunk and then returning to home to beat the hell out of your wife.

I want to trumpet common sense and empowerment. We all should.

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You don't have a problem with sexual battery?

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I do have a problem with it. It should be punished. There are laws in place for that specific crime.

It isn't rape.

MilliVanilli said:

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howhardcanitbe said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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This seems similar to victim blaming of females. How is it not OK to do this to females but OK to do this to Shawn Oakman?

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Whatever gymnastics you Cabers need to make to feel justified you certainly will, the plain truths of reality be damned.

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As an aside, you didn't mean to say Oakman was accused of rape prior to this trial, right?

Dman said:

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Malbec said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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CNC said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

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So in other words, you thought Oakman was guilty b/c he's black?

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In other words cabers such as you make up what ever shameless narrative you please because you're moral and intellectual cowards reduced to pouting on a message board for years on end.

You're actual bonafide racists and misogynists and its high time you put away the #CAB t-shirts and either got lives or found a new team to root for, your good ol' boy club is over.

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WTH? Look behind you. You might see that line you crossed a while back.

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I forget what it's like to read the village idiot until someone quotes him.

Hilarious he claims the moral high ground. He spent years calling fathers and grandfathers who had daughters at Baylor. RAPE ENABLERS. RAPE APOLOGISTS. Let that sink in. Those fathers embraced a vicious act of rape Because they wanted to hold the BoR equally responsible their hypocrisy on an issue that was campus wide...BEFORE Briles .

He's a bigger joke than X. Put him on ignore. He's the most ignored user on this forum and it isn't even close. And that's hard to do.

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She has you guys twisted. So obsessed you demand posters to be ignored.

Art just couldn't handle the responsibility that came with his job. He had Ian cheering him on while burying problems. They got what they deserved. They made their bed and lied too.

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Those are nice quotes.

30-2. When you lose 30-2, you get nice quotes.

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41-42

42-52

27-41

17-49

even

22-30

All nice quotes after those debacles. Then we have these quotes:

"Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at BAYLOR and they LOVE football players,"

"what a fool -- she reporting to authorities?"

"What kind of discipline... She a stripper?"

"Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

Those are the quotes Art will be remembered by.

Maybe you apologists can pitch in and have those beautiful quotes and others carved into Art's statue that might be erected in Elm Mott or Bellmead if he is lucky.

Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Those are nice quotes.

30-2. When you lose 30-2, you get nice quotes.

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2-30

41-42

42-52

27-41

17-49

even

22-30

All nice quotes after those debacles. Then we have these quotes:

"Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at BAYLOR and they LOVE football players,"

"what a fool -- she reporting to authorities?"

"What kind of discipline... She a stripper?"

"Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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In my days at Baylor, I loved white women. And black women. And Hispanic and Asian women!!! Big, little or short or tall, wish I could've loved 'em all! And I was far from a Bad Dude! I was just a special teams guy.

Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Those are nice quotes.

30-2. When you lose 30-2, you get nice quotes.

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2-30

41-42

42-52

27-41

17-49

even

22-30

All nice quotes after those debacles. Then we have these quotes:

"Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at BAYLOR and they LOVE football players,"

"what a fool -- she reporting to authorities?"

"What kind of discipline... She a stripper?"

"Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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Old man. If we investigated and turned your world upside down and exposed quotes and emails out of context from you over a five day period, much less more than five years. You'd be a bigger joke than you are now. And even a bigger outcast. Which isn't easy.

You've said worse on this forum. Is this the best you can do when your "legacy" you so dearly try to keep relevant is called out?

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

Malbec said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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CNC said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

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So in other words, you thought Oakman was guilty b/c he's black?

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In other words cabers such as you make up what ever shameless narrative you please because you're moral and intellectual cowards reduced to pouting on a message board for years on end.

You're actual bonafide racists and misogynists and its high time you put away the #CAB t-shirts and either got lives or found a new team to root for, your good ol' boy club is over.

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WTH? Look behind you. You might see that line you crossed a while back.

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Reading comprehension and engagement with reality has never been a Caber strongsuit.

howhardcanitbe said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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howhardcanitbe said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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Timbear said:

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other We got off track...Shawn Oakman.. Not Guilty.

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Hopefully not guilty of rape, and that girl should pay the piper for false accusation if so.

But he never should've been on campus, and was exploitable by an opportunist because of the reputation he made for himself as believably guilty of rape.

This wasn't Bryce Petty or Levi Norwood we're talking about here, but a guy kicked out of Penn State and accused by an ex-gf of rape prior and arrested by the Waco PD for incidents involving violence and drug possession.

The fact this is where Cabers come to crow as if it vindicates you somehow is just bizarre because this specimen never ever should've worn a Baylor uniform, was kept out of jail by fixers and at minimal was stupid enough to put himself in the position to be accused by a girl that saw an opportunity.

He's dumb, and so is Caberdom to think his acquittal for rape vindicates Art Briles in any way.

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This seems similar to victim blaming of females. How is it not OK to do this to females but OK to do this to Shawn Oakman?

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Whatever gymnastics you Cabers need to make to feel justified you certainly will, the plain truths of reality be damned.

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I'm not making any justification? I mean, sure, you could bring Briles into it--but it has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

Do you really not see a similarity between placing blame on Oakman by saying he was stupid enough to put himself in a situation...and people saying that a rape victim was stupid to put her/himself in a situation?

It has not nothing to do with Briles, Baylor, football, or even sports in general. Either this kind of blaming is permissible or it isn't.

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LOL at the Caber acting befuddled that his agenda was taken to task, you really do think and hope we are all stupid.

Things don't happen in a vacuum, on can be innocent of a crime and still stupid enough to create the optics that they were guilty.

Tis' why you guard your reputation and are choosy with the company you keep.

Nor was Oakman's behavior some one off out of character event, he had a reputation as a thug and behaved predatory toward women, wiser women stayed away from him.

Give it a rest Milli. Post after post after post saying the same thing gets old.

Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Those are nice quotes.

30-2. When you lose 30-2, you get nice quotes.

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2-30

41-42

42-52

27-41

17-49

even

22-30

All nice quotes after those debacles. Then we have these quotes:

"Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at BAYLOR and they LOVE football players,"

"what a fool -- she reporting to authorities?"

"What kind of discipline... She a stripper?"

"Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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Old man. If we investigated and turned your world upside down and exposed quotes and emails out of context from you over a five day period, much less more than five years. You'd be a bigger joke than you are now. And even a bigger outcast. Which isn't easy.

You've said worse on this forum. Is this the best you can do when your "legacy" you so dearly try to keep relevant is called out?

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Listen little fella.................that sound you heard was me farting in your general direction.

Out of context? I think it was very obvious what your suck-buddies were saying.

Turned worlds upside down? I wish we would have turned their worlds upside down and flushed them down the Brazos when it would have made a difference. Nobody had the backbone to do it and save us the embarrassment.

Outcast? I've got more friends and supporters than you do my little feller. More than I need as a matter of fact. Unlike you I am not trying to impress or suck up to anybody.

I have no legacy! None! I don't want any legacy with a university that claims you and your pitiful kind as graduates.

As far as relevance..............you and your merry band of suck-buddies keep me relevant here on this board. I own you and you can't stop me. You are nobody and I am least a popcorn fart in Baylor Lore. I wore the green & gold. You? You are a sad little CABdriver jackoff fluffing Art nearly 3 years after he committed head football coach suicide.


Next.

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Give it a rest Milli. Post after post after post saying the same thing gets old.

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Let me guess...blah blah blah....an attempt at a clever insult but falls sadly short.....followed by "Cab'er". Repeat above a few more times...ending with "Cab'er".

Close?

Has he started using juvenile memes or said big words like "Lulz". Those really highlight his high school vocabulary and intelligence.

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Those are nice quotes.

30-2. When you lose 30-2, you get nice quotes.

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All nice quotes after those debacles. Then we have these quotes:

"Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at BAYLOR and they LOVE football players,"

"what a fool -- she reporting to authorities?"

"What kind of discipline... She a stripper?"

"Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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Old man. If we investigated and turned your world upside down and exposed quotes and emails out of context from you over a five day period, much less more than five years. You'd be a bigger joke than you are now. And even a bigger outcast. Which isn't easy.

You've said worse on this forum. Is this the best you can do when your "legacy" you so dearly try to keep relevant is called out?

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Listen little fella.................that sound you heard was me farting in your general direction.

Out of context? I think it was very obvious what your suck-buddies were saying.

Turned worlds upside down? I wish we would have turned their worlds upside down and flushed them down the Brazos when it would have made a difference. Nobody had the backbone to do it and save us the embarrassment.

Outcast? I've got more friends and supporters than you do my little feller. More than I need as a matter of fact. Unlike you I am not trying to impress or suck up to anybody.

I have no legacy! None! I don't want any legacy with a university that claims you and your pitiful kind as graduates.

As far as relevance..............you and your merry band of suck-buddies keep me relevant here on this board. I own you and you can't stop me. You are nobody and I am least a popcorn fart in Baylor Lore. I wore the green & gold. You? You are a sad little CABdriver jackoff fluffing Art nearly 3 years after he committed head football coach suicide.


Next.

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Wow. Your so easy to trigger.

1. Every other post is about your glory days. Literally you've done it countless times on this thread. Don't try to feign otherwise now. It's your brand. You're the stereotype of an athlete who can't let it go. Hanging on to relevancy.
2. You have more friends? If you actually have to resort to uttering those words....you don't get it. You actually still think "relevancy" is some kind of popularity contest? For an old man, you haven't grown up. Your insecurity is growing by the day. The need to hang on must be exhausting.

Good luck with that.

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Give it a rest Milli. Post after post after post saying the same thing gets old.

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You Cabers really don't have an inkling of self-awareness, you get schooled for your broken record agenda you cant' quit and then whine about it.

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Reverend said:

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Give it a rest Milli. Post after post after post saying the same thing gets old.

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Let me guess...blah blah blah....an attempt at a clever insult but falls sadly short.....followed by "Cab'er". Repeat above a few more times...ending with "Cab'er".

Close?

Has he started using juvenile memes or said big words like "Lulz". Those really highlight his high school vocabulary and intelligence.

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You sure are obsessively preoccupied with that you swear you're ignoring.

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

Thee, flushing them down the Brazos would do a disservice to the environment. There's already enough bull**** floating down the Brazos and there's a likelyhood the under tow by the stadium would flush them back up to the surface.
60 gallon drums and a trip to Lake Texoma are solutions to flushing issues.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

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The blue bloods sure handle things better than Shill. Where did we get him? Dude wouldn't last 5 minutes in a crisis situation.

Art needed programming for life issues outside the veer spread.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

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So when a girl hand delivers a police report to both the AD office and the coaching staff and in person makes a claim of assault - most coaches are going to sit on it and wait and see if prosecuted? And if no prosecution do next to nothing ..... and you are good with that ?

Sabin was also not talking about an issue that would create a liability to his employer by virtue of any inaction.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

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The blue bloods sure handle things better than Shill.

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No, they don't. They do the exact same thing. Brazenly. And with the graces of their administration and alums.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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xiledinok said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

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The blue bloods sure handle things better than Shill.

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No, they don't. They do the exact same thing. Brazenly. And with the graces of their administration and alums.

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Mike Gundy might disagree.

Your dumbasses got caught up because they tried to keep a guy around charged with rape.

I know how the Mixon deal went down and it was dirty but handled cleaner than Shill's ****show. No one was breaking the law concealing crimes.

Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Timbear said:

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Keyser blow your nose, Nobody is minimizing anything, but if a girl has the power to ruin a guy's life like Oakman's accuser did his, she better be prepared to prove it.

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Well no one will ever know because Art's fixers made that one go away rather than report it to Judicial Affairs

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I mean, pictures came out. She filed a police report. She didn't file charges. She could have gone to anyone at the school other than football coaches. Let's not act like it was some massive cover up. The biggest thing is she didn't file charges. If women want justice, FILE CHARGES.

This kind of stuff happens at every school when charges aren't filed.

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What stuff happens all the time? Are you saying every coach violates his employers policies about reporting such things up the food chain. Your nuts if you do.

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I didn't say "every"...did I?

What I'm saying is that a majority of coaches learn about things and if charges aren't filed the kid is suspended for a violation of team rules. Yeah, I'm saying that. Because I know. Trust me on this. You haven't a clue about college athletics if you don't understand that.

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1. So when a girl hand delivers a police report to both the AD office and the coaching staff and in person makes a claim of assault - most coaches are going to sit on and wait and see if prosecuted? 2. And if no prosecution do next to nothing ..... and you are good with that ?

3. Sabin was also not talking about an issue that would create a liability to his employer by virtue of any inaction.

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1. Pre-Baylor events...Yes. Absolutely. 100%. 99% of coaches. Post-Baylor events...Not as much. Still a very, very, very high percentage of coaches and athletic departments. The tag of "violation of team rules" is used for a bevy of sins. I'd say upwards of 60-70% of coaches would do that.

2. Good with it? That's a loaded question, no? I'll just say that whatever solution is concocted isn't going to be universally pleasing. It's easy to be some generic advocate for a hot-button issue because you can produce straw man after straw man to rile the masses up. Yet, when facts are presented and the courts of this land decide on something, I'm obliged to respect that ruling.

3. Uhh. Two guys arrested for possession of drugs and weapons doesn't come across as a future liability to you??? You tell me. Let's say these two guys end up shooting a student on campus in a drug deal gone bad. If you were an attorney...you think you'd reference that incident? You think you'd qualify those guys as "bad dudes"?