Both Bell and McGuire came on board together, what is the difference, if any in their upward professional aspirations? My point: one already accepted, one hasn't - is it an age issue?

I believe I read that on something colt or one of the other guys wrote about a month ago. Said UTSA talked to him but he said he was staying with Baylor at this time so they hired the guy that was with UT for a few years and the HC of Gilmer HS.

I believe when they hired Frank Wilson..who has since been fired..

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Both Bell and McGuire came on board together, what is the difference, if any in their upward professional aspirations? My point: one already accepted, one hasn't - is it an age issue?

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The lack of appreciation some of you have for high school coaching experience is pretty crazy.

Shawn Bell had been coaching for about 10 years total when he was hired by Rhule at Baylor. McGuire had been at Cedar Hill for 19 years, 14 of those as the head coach.

McGuire's experience and success levels both trump Bell's by a long shot. And he'd also built relationships in the Texas high school coaching ranks that Bell hadn't had the opportunity to build yet.

I like both guys a ton and think both have head coaching futures if they want it. But McGuire is several rungs higher up that ladder than Bell is and has options at the college level right now that Bell hasn't earned quite yet.

those of you critical of what Joey might or might not do and the timing of it all are really something else. you may say you respect him or "want the best for him" but qualify your statements with passive-aggressive BS. it's like claiming to apologize or be truly grateful for something then including a "but..." the fact is that NONE of you know him, his intentions, or the kind of man he is. neither do I. but the handful of people on this board (as well as anecdotes from people across the state) that do have UNANIMOUS praise for him. not just his coaching and leadership ability, but his rock solid integrity.

what's even worse than your criticism is that you state it like it's undeniable truth. no, it's just your opinion. who the **** do you think you are to say he's shopping himself around for the best deal? maybe he's truly torn between his love for Baylor and the right conditions and environment to continue his career. and if the latter, how dare some of you criticize it condescendingly as "ego" or "HC aspirations"?

stop trying to read into his intentions of motivations to explain his actions. all that does is allow your cynicism or malice to seep into your opinions.

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Reading he was offered a spot on OUs staff. He's not taking a DC with UTSA because he turned down the HC job there already. Graham took the Hawaii job

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I believe when they hired Frank Wilson..who has since been fired..

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Incorrect. He interviewed for it a few months ago and was offered the position. He opted to decline and stay at Baylor. You can choose why....either because he thought Rhule was staying and things would keep rolling along OR....he thought Rhule was gone and he'd have a legit shot at the HC role.

Either way he had the UTSA job this off season if he wanted it.

Usually, once an organization knows your intent to leave, they take steps to minimize the impact.
Corporate American isn't nice, but it isn't wrong either. Go work for Ford and tell them you're leaving for Nissan.
They take your things, escort you to the door, and pay you the two weeks to stay at home. They can't risk sharing secrets and it's worse in other industries.

He's had an offer, if he doesn't want it, he needs to make a decision.

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I'm not sure why anyone is worried about a position coach leaving. He isnt the only great recruiter out there. That said it would be nice if he stays. It sounds like Aranda has done what he can on his end for it to happen. This is business. I'm not sure it helps him much on getting a DC slot somewhere by spending next season as a position coach somewhere else anymore than it does spending next season as a position coach here. But maybe he thinks it does.

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All of this. Unless he's position at whatever other school is a coordinator position, which isn't being rumored, leaving doesn't make any sense. He'd be moving to Norman or whatever only to try to leave again next year. That's a dumb decision to make imo since he could just stay here and move once. Better yet, if Aranda has a bad first year it won't even hurt his stock. If he leaves laterally it's going to be over hurt feelings.

That's fine but at this point we should assume he's gone now or next year when he has more time to look and more options available.

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Usually, once an organization knows your intent to leave, they take steps to minimize the impact.
Corporate American isn't nice, but it isn't wrong either. Go work for Ford and tell them you're leaving for Nissan.

They take your things, escort you to the door, and pay you the two weeks to stay at home. They can't risk sharing secrets and it's worse in other industries.

He's had an offer, if he doesn't want it, he needs to make a decision.

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except he hasn't told them he's leaving for Nissan. rather, he turned down Nissan, came to Ford and fell in love with the place and culture (which he helped establish). not only that, his son joined him at the company as well. he publicly got denied a promotion which he may have been underqualified for and Nissan and Toyota, unsolicited, offered him a job bc they hope he can contribute to their company the same way he contributed Ford. meanwhile, some people who own a Ford Focus are telling him how he should go about making a decision.

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Both Bell and McGuire came on board together, what is the difference, if any in their upward professional aspirations? My point: one already accepted, one hasn't - is it an age issue?

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The lack of appreciation some of you have for high school coaching experience is pretty crazy.

Shawn Bell had been coaching for about 10 years total when he was hired by Rhule at Baylor. McGuire had been at Cedar Hill for 19 years, 14 of those as the head coach.

McGuire's experience and success levels both trump Bell's by a long shot. And he'd also built relationships in the Texas high school coaching ranks that Bell hadn't had the opportunity to build yet.

I like both guys a ton and think both have head coaching futures if they want it. But McGuire is several rungs higher up that ladder than Bell is and has options at the college level right now that Bell hasn't earned quite yet.

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This. I like Shawn. I hope he continues to grow as a coach with a new position that isn't OL, but there's a reason OU and Texas and every other major program in the area would gladly give McGuire a position job on their staffs right now. It's experience, pedigree, and recruiting. The same can't be said of Bell yet.

Anyone who thinks that McGuire should have been picked over Aranda is certifiable. McGuire is a great guy, and the players love him, and he has an offer to stay. Keep in mind though, he's been watching what Rhule did after every season.

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Usually, once an organization knows your intent to leave, they take steps to minimize the impact.
Corporate American isn't nice, but it isn't wrong either. Go work for Ford and tell them you're leaving for Nissan.

They take your things, escort you to the door, and pay you the two weeks to stay at home. They can't risk sharing secrets and it's worse in other industries.

He's had an offer, if he doesn't want it, he needs to make a decision.

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except he hasn't told them he's leaving for Nissan. rather, he turned down Nissan, came to Ford and fell in love with the place and culture (which he helped establish). not only that, his son joined him at the company as well. he publicly got denied a promotion which he may have been underqualified for and Nissan and Toyota, unsolicited, offered him a job bc they hope he can contribute to their company the same way he contributed Ford. meanwhile, some people who own a Ford Focus are telling him how he should go about making a decision.

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This is such a good post. And I do own a Ford Focus. Haha.

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Usually, once an organization knows your intent to leave, they take steps to minimize the impact.
Corporate American isn't nice, but it isn't wrong either. Go work for Ford and tell them you're leaving for Nissan.

They take your things, escort you to the door, and pay you the two weeks to stay at home. They can't risk sharing secrets and it's worse in other industries.

He's had an offer, if he doesn't want it, he needs to make a decision.

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. he publicly got denied a promotion which he may have been underqualified for and Nissan and Toyota, unsolicited,

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No one has denied him anything. He needs to earn it, just like his predecessors.

that's what people expect.

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Anyone who thinks that McGuire should have been picked over Aranda is certifiable. McGuire is a great guy, and the players love him, and he has an offer to stay. Keep in mind though, he's been watching what Rhule did after every season.

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I don't think he's been out "trolling up" new job offers. Pretty certain they've all come after him after Aranda was announced as HC and he was not. He's a really good coach and is in high demand as he should be.

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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I believe when they hired Frank Wilson..who has since been fired..

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Incorrect. He interviewed for it a few months ago and was offered the position. He opted to decline and stay at Baylor. You can choose why....either because he thought Rhule was staying and things would keep rolling along OR....he thought Rhule was gone and he'd have a legit shot at the HC role.

Either way he had the UTSA job this off season if he wanted it.

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Definitely makes sense, considering they ended up hiring a poor mans Joey McGuire.

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it? I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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The Joey McGuire love is real. You guys would burn down the program for a selfie with him, wouldn't you.

Keep kissing his ass.

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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Right, you guys claiming to know all about the program then getting out played by a Noze brother that warned you all along.

Take your lips off Joey's ass and try being a Baylor fan.

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This ain't TAPPS and Joey didn't coach TAPPS football. He understands he must make the most of his opportunity and do what's best for him. I respect him because of the job he did at Baylor and will respect his decision on his future.

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I don't begrudge the guy if he thinks he needs to leave to move up. I don't think that's at UT or OU, I think they'll use him and that's a bad outcome, that I certainly don't wish on him. Not a shred of doubt in my mind that he will have less authority in those programs than he did in ours. After they've gotten what they want from him, he'll have less power and mobility. I think he'd be better off trying to move to a mid-tier MAC program or a program that NEEDS him. Just like Briles situation. When he makes it there, then he's in a position to shoot for a HC role. But a horizontal move isn't going to improve the Joey McGuire brand. More risk than upside.

As you said, he's a good coach, but he's handing this organizational stuff the wrong way.

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weighing options is handling thing the wrong way? TellMeYouAreEducated

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This ain't TAPPS and Joey didn't coach TAPPS football. He understands he must make the most of his opportunity and do what's best for him. I respect him because of the job he did at Baylor and will respect his decision on his future.

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I don't begrudge the guy if he thinks he needs to leave to move up. I don't think that's at UT or OU, I think they'll use him and that's a bad outcome, that I certainly don't wish on him. Not a shred of doubt in my mind that he will have less authority in those programs than he did in ours. After they've gotten what they want from him, he'll have less power and mobility. I think he'd be better off trying to move to a mid-tier MAC program or a program that NEEDS him. Just like Briles situation. When he makes it there, then he's in a position to shoot for a HC role. But a horizontal move isn't going to improve the Joey McGuire brand. More risk than upside.

As you said, he's a good coach, but he's handing this organizational stuff the wrong way.

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weighing options is handling thing the wrong way? TellMeYouAreEducated

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LIB, MRS Bear,

Baylor isn't paying him to do a job search. hell, even Rhule was quieter than that.

Get on or get off.

I love this! Now everyone can see the people that think Joey is special and his interests go above our program.

Here's a news flash, the football program exists to win games. Take the offer or move on.

The rest of us want to see BAYLOR win.

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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Right, you guys claiming to know all about the program then getting out played by a Noze brother that warned you all along.

Take your lips off Joey's ass and try being a Baylor fan.

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Right.....because no sane person should believe Mack Rhoades own quoted timeline on the hire he has repeated publicly all week. I'm sure a NOZe KneW wHo MaCk wUZ HirINg B4 mACk did.......Aranda hadn't even had a formal interview yet.....y'all are ****ing nuts

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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Right, you guys claiming to know all about the program then getting out played by a Noze brother that warned you all along.

Take your lips off Joey's ass and try being a Baylor fan.

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Right.....because no sane person should believe Mack Rhoades own quotes timeline on the hire he has repeated publicly all week. I'm sure a NOZe KneW wHo MaCk wUZ HirINg B4 mACk did.......Aranda hadn't even had a formal interview yet.....y'all are ****ing nuts

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Go find the post where you predicted it. Hey, were you the one that complained about my first post and got it deleted? I don't care, hide your head in the sand all you like, but you won't stop people from asking.

I'll wait here. Keep covering those tracks, I'm still waiting for you share your big shot status with us!

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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Right, you guys claiming to know all about the program then getting out played by a Noze brother that warned you all along.

Take your lips off Joey's ass and try being a Baylor fan.

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Right.....because no sane person should believe Mack Rhoades own quoted timeline on the hire he has repeated publicly all week. I'm sure a NOZe KneW wHo MaCk wUZ HirINg B4 mACk did.......Aranda hadn't even had a formal interview yet.....y'all are ****ing nuts

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LOL,

I love it when the Mr. Big Pay board comes over to share why he was out of the loop. Keep backpeddling!

The Noze knew at least before the national championship game. It was over the week prior to NC. They had spoken with Super Dave a week before the hire.

Keep pouring it on, kids, you girls are like moths to a flame.

All I have to do to get you going is ask your hero to be loyal to our program. I'm just glad you've stopped trying to peddle the "He loves Baylor," story, that was nauseating.

Thank God Rhoades is keeping accountability, your last homer didn't do that and you guys were quiet about that, too!

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All you business majors and IT guys that love BU so much. How come you pursued your career elsewhere rather than at the school you love?

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How many people do you know that made it to the C-Suite of a business after three years in the industry?

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Im sorry, is this question your answer?

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It's a curious response from a grown man who's been throwing a three-week **** fit since Rhule left for a $60 million payday in the NFL, isn't it. I'm having trouble reconciling the two positions frankly.

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Trying to understand Tellme should only be done by the professionals. If you ain't getting paid to do it don't waste your time.

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Right, you guys claiming to know all about the program then getting out played by a Noze brother that warned you all along.

Take your lips off Joey's ass and try being a Baylor fan.

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Right.....because no sane person should believe Mack Rhoades own quotes timeline on the hire he has repeated publicly all week. I'm sure a NOZe KneW wHo MaCk wUZ HirINg B4 mACk did.......Aranda hadn't even had a formal interview yet.....y'all are ****ing nuts

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Go find the post where you predicted it.

I'll wait here. Keep covering those tracks, I'm still waiting for you share your big shot status with us!

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LOL.....I didn't predict ANYONE as the new HC....I watched and listened and waited. And I'm not a BU big shot but I sure as hell know plenty of them and I talk to them a lot, including during the search. And NOTHING was leaked.

I was more like the sane one saying that Fuente stuff was BS etc. I don't get my internet jollies by trying to get lucky guessing our next HC. And I sure as hell don't remember you doing it either. Either that or I ignored it because it was another of your rambling lunatic fringe, never listen to others responses posts.

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but I sure as hell know plenty of them and I talk to them a lot, including during the search. And NOTHING was leaked.

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There it is folks, the moment we've all been waiting. I've offended the resident pay board big shot and know he's full on name dropping. Who you got big guy, Winebore? Who's your buddy? Let's hear it.

Don't bother, I know your full of s---. But it's funny to watch you prance around here after a Noze spilled the secret.

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Usually, once an organization knows your intent to leave, they take steps to minimize the impact.
Corporate American isn't nice, but it isn't wrong either. Go work for Ford and tell them you're leaving for Nissan.
They take your things, escort you to the door, and pay you the two weeks to stay at home. They can't risk sharing secrets and it's worse in other industries.

He's had an offer, if he doesn't want it, he needs to make a decision.

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Mr Rhoades, how do you find so much time for social media?

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The Noze knew at least before the national championship game. It was over the week prior to NC. They had spoken with Super Dave a week before the hire.

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Agreed. They spoke on the phone on the Thursday prior to the game. One of 8-10 preliminary calls Mack made to start lining our face to face interviews. Proves nothing at all. Glad we got CDA but if y'all think that knowing they spoke the week before proves he was guaranteed to be hired a week later, well then I can't help you.

If that was the case, then why did the search staff go meet face to face with CDA and his family for 6 hours the next week?

You pay board kids keep talking big, we have a new coach trying to build a program.

And you McGuire fans are losing support by the minute.

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The Noze knew at least before the national championship game. It was over the week prior to NC. They had spoken with Super Dave a week before the hire.

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Agreed. They spoke on the phone on the Thursday prior to the game. One of 8-10 preliminary calls Mack made to start lining our face to face interviews. Proves nothing at all. Glad we got CDA but if y'all think that knowing they spoke the week before proves he was guaranteed to be hired a week later, well then I can't help you.

If that was the case, then why did the search staff go meet face to face with CDA and his family for 6 hours the next week?

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I want to hear your sources big spender.

this should be good.