Joel Klatt: “Matt Rhule not all the way in on the NFL” https://t.co/rSnXtfT2Da via @Yahoo

— Michael Zeigle (@MikeZeigle) October 29, 2021

What do we have here…. pic.twitter.com/ZcLb9My6R3

— Mason Hebert (@HasonMebert) October 28, 2021

Naturally. Always looking for the greener pasture if true. I said last week I would not be surprised if he has reached out to USC and LSU. If Franklin leaves PSU you can be about sure he is seeking that one. He is like Dennis Erickson, who during his career stayed at one HC job an avg of 2 or so years, but with a wholesome packaging (which he is probably about to wear out). The guy likes to flake on jobs every 3 or so years it seems, if he is looking to leave already. If he gets one of these jobs he should take Charlie but you know damn well he won't. Loyalty is a one way street with Rhule..

PartyBear said:

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Naturally. Always looking for the greener pasture if true. I said last week I would not be surprised if he has reached out to USC and LSU. If Franklin leaves PSU you can be about sure he is seeking that one. He is like Dennis Erickson but with a wholesome packaging (which he is probably about to wear out). The guy likes to flake on jobs every 3 or so years it seems, if he is looking to leave already. If he gets one of these jobs he should take Charlie.

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That was my immediate thought as well. If Franklin heads to LSU then Rhule would be an obvious target for PSU.

I pointed out early in his first season at Baylor that he was a grifter and a con-artist. Too bad that many fans bought into his schtick

I would be wary as an AD. He spends no time being loyal to the employer (administration--including the AD) and is a high maintenance employee and the results aren't really good enough to warrant dealing with that drama.

You have got to be kidding me

PartyBear said:

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I would be wary as an AD. He spends no time being loyal to the employer and the results aren't really good enough to warrant dealing with that drama.

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The fact that he was already openly flirting with the NFL after only one season with us (in which he went 1-11) should've told us all we needed to know about the guy.

I bought in on the Sugar Bowl

Fun trip.

1. Franklin going to LsU would be nuts. Big10 is an easier league in which to succeed and is an extra few mil worth the pressure and living in Baton Rouge?
2. Rhule seemed to like being around young guys and developing them, that's not the NFL
3. Not for long… NFL

I dont see Franklin leaving the big school of his home state voluntarily.

Can't make pros do Oklahoma drills before the game.

I've been a Rhule defender….and will still always appreciate the huge turnaround he did at BU to not only get us winning again….but help rehab our horrible image at the time. I think only a small handful of coaches could have done much better in that situation.

But, it will feel a little disingenuous if he hops back to college after just 2 years since we heard so much about his dream being the NFL.

I think he would kill it at LSU. I think he still has strong ties to Texas HS football coaches. You could see it across Twitter when he wore that THSCA hat before the Panthers/Texans game in Houston.

He might even be able to bring Brady back to LSU.

I think he is better suited to coach at the college level so would not be surprised to see him make a move.

I don't know why all of y'all hate the guy so much. He was very clear from the start he wanted to coach in the NFL. Now that he's there, it may not be what he thought it would be and I would imagine has difficulty running as physical of practices. He is actually one of the most loyal people you'll ever meet almost to a fault. Stop being hurt he left and be thankful he came when he did, without him doing what he did here we would never have been in a position to get Aranda.
Last note if any of you believe a coach in a press conference saying they won't leave you're crazy. That's their answer because they can't say anything else. You would lose total confidence from your team if you said "oh yeah and by the way I plan on coaching in the NFL next year." None of y'all do that in your jobs so why is it any different for coaches, asking as a coach myself.

Sees writing on the wall - his methods aren't working in the NFL because other coaches are just as good/tough as he is. USC or Penn St. if Franklin leaves. He can dominate the PAC, not so much in the BIG, and definitely not in the SEC.

boognish_bear said:

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I've been a Rhule defender….and will still always appreciate the huge turnaround he did at BU to not only get us winning again….but help rehab our horrible image at the time. I think only a small handful of coaches could have done much better in that situation.

But, it will feel a little disingenuous if he hops back to college after just 2 years since we heard so much about his dream being the NFL.

I think he would kill it at LSU. I think he still has strong ties to Texas HS football coaches. You could see it across Twitter when he wore that THSCA hat before the Panthers/Texans game in Houston.

He might even be able to bring Brady back to LSU.

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This. The guy did a job at Baylor that no one thought possible. I will always be grateful to him for that. I did not even begrudge him for leaving for the NFL. However, if he goes back to college after one year, it will stain his reputation in my mind. But I'll still be thankful for him setting us up for success after the fake Briles scandal.

I agree with the other posters that I would be wary to take a flyer on him as he always seems to have his eye on the next best thing.

Robert Wilson said:

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You have got to be kidding me

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Exactly what I was thinking.

Rhule was the right guy for the job at Baylor at the time, that's for sure. A move now from the NFL would seem flaky to me. If his employer is encouraging it, however, that's a different story.

I think I was one of the first ones that made fun of the smock he wore for multiple seasons...I knew right off that he was like most other coaches.

can you see me patting myself on my back...it makes me feel better to point out how football smart I am.

Shocker.

dstaylor57 said:

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Sees writing on the wall - his methods aren't working in the NFL because other coaches are just as good/tough as he is. USC or Penn St. if Franklin leaves. He can dominate the PAC, not so much in the BIG, and definitely not in the SEC.

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Not so sure about dominating in the Pac. Objectively Baylor was not dominant in 19. Baylor was very fortunate that season to have gotten out of it with an 11-3 record. We are more dominant now in the first half of this season under Aranda.

I would be very wary of him if I was an AD. He hasn't lasted at a job longer than 4 years in a decade. Always looking for the next thing.

dstaylor57 said:

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Sees writing on the wall - his methods aren't working in the NFL because other coaches are just as good/tough as he is. USC or Penn St. if Franklin leaves. He can dominate the PAC, not so much in the BIG, and definitely not in the SEC.

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He would do well either of those places. Should be easy to win at USC with the PAC schedule. And he's a PSU guy after all. B10 still serves up a lot of candy games throughout the course of the season. That's a huge conference with a lot of soft teams in it.

Winning at USC to the liking of USC is not as easy as one thinks and just winning isnt exactly the name of the game there. Like Texas you need to win at least 9 a season to not be fired and even that may not be enough if there isnt at least a conference title within 4 years.

I have friends who are good people who hop jobs every three to five years. That sounds like hell to me, but some people are just wired that way. Always seeking a new thrill or challenge. Rhule may be one of those people.

That said, I wouldn't put so much stock into this one report, which is really just a tweet by a college football analyst. I'd be very surprised to see Rhule leave Carolina after two years, unless the job wasn't what he was told it would be or he's being pushed out by ownership. And if either of those things are true, now might be the perfect time to leave with as many blue blood jobs open as are likely to be before the carousel stops.

My big problem with Rhule is the only reason most people think he is a great turnaround coach is because he went 1-11 in his first year. 1-11 was his fault, he had at least 5 win talent. How can he get credit for a turnaround a losing program he was mostly responsible creating? I don't get it.

In my opinion we didn't have a long term chance of success with Rhule's offense. I don't hate him and I appreciate what he did for us (it was one good year that we needed) but I was glad to see him go.

He is a good example of the Peter Principle for the Business Department.

JP1037 said:

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He is a good example of the Peter Principle for the Business Department.

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The Peter Principle isn't just applied to the business environment. :rolleyes:

JP1037 said:

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My big problem with Rhule is the only reason most people think he is a great turnaround coach is because he went 1-11 in his first year. 1-11 was his fault, he had at least 5 win talent. How can he get credit for a turnaround a losing program he was mostly responsible creating? I don't get it.

In my opinion we didn't have a long term chance of success with Rhule's offense. I don't hate him and I appreciate what he did for us (it was one good year that we needed) but I was glad to see him go.

He is a good example of the Peter Principle for the Business Department.

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He gets credit because a lot of that 1-11 season wasn't his fault as proved over and over again on here in these "CMR sucks!" threads.

I've already said he will be coaching LSU next season. Rhule is the cure to the disease they have right now.

I've also said that while I understood why he'd leave here for an NFL job and why the NFL would be appealing, I've never thought what made him a good coach would apply to pro football. Rhule's a motivator, shaper of young men type. He didn't make it to the NFL because was necessarily a perfect fit for it. He made it there because of networking and the fact that coaching hires in the league are 90% of the time about who knows who and reputation.

I expected him to be back in college within five years. I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen after only two if it means landing a job like LSU, USC, or Penn State.

Bear8084 said:

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JP1037 said:

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My big problem with Rhule is the only reason most people think he is a great turnaround coach is because he went 1-11 in his first year. 1-11 was his fault, he had at least 5 win talent. How can he get credit for a turnaround a losing program he was mostly responsible creating? I don't get it.

In my opinion we didn't have a long term chance of success with Rhule's offense. I don't hate him and I appreciate what he did for us (it was one good year that we needed) but I was glad to see him go.

He is a good example of the Peter Principle for the Business Department.

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He gets credit because a lot of that 1-11 season wasn't his fault as proved over and over again on here in these "CMR sucks!" threads.

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This. And his impact here was more than "one good year." We're still building on the foundation he laid -- without which our program would be a total mess right now.

While I have a great deal of respect for Joel Klatt, we're putting an awful lot of credit in a report based on "unnamed sources."

For all we know, the source could be a toolbag like Tom Herman.

DST said:

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I've already said he will be coaching LSU next season. Rhule is the cure to the disease they have right now.

I've also said that while I understood why he'd leave here for an NFL job and why the NFL would be appealing, I've never thought what made him a good coach would apply to pro football. Rhule's a motivator, shaper of young men type. He didn't make it to the NFL because was necessarily a perfect fit for it. He made it there because of networking and the fact that coaching hires in the league are 90% of the time about who knows who and reputation.

I expected him to be back in college within five years. I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen after only two if it means landing a job like LSU, USC, or Penn State.

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I dont know how much say KM has within the LSU athletic dept. If she has alot of sway, I dont think Rhule goes to LSU.

bubear20 said:

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I don't know why all of y'all hate the guy so much. He was very clear from the start he wanted to coach in the NFL. Now that he's there, it may not be what he thought it would be and I would imagine has difficulty running as physical of practices. He is actually one of the most loyal people you'll ever meet almost to a fault. Stop being hurt he left and be thankful he came when he did, without him doing what he did here we would never have been in a position to get Aranda.
Last note if any of you believe a coach in a press conference saying they won't leave you're crazy. That's their answer because they can't say anything else. You would lose total confidence from your team if you said "oh yeah and by the way I plan on coaching in the NFL next year." None of y'all do that in your jobs so why is it any different for coaches, asking as a coach myself.

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I'm with you. Mack hired Rhule knowing he was only going to get a few years out of him, and that was always my expectation as well. The baseline expectation in the athletic department was to use him to get us back to battling for titles again - however long that was going to take - and he did that. Anything beyond that was a bonus. It was just part of the package you accepted with a coach who was already getting NFL looks and expressed his desire to go to the NFL before we even contacted him.

In any case, I think many people saw the "2028" on Rhule's new contract in 2019 and got ideas. The only reason Mack did that was so he could jam in a giant buyout clause, which he was richly rewarded for doing a few months later. You don't give quotes like these after that contract was inked and expect Rhule to stick around for long.

"If somebody has decided that for them and their family it's best to move on to another opportunity, to hold them hostage to stay at your place for a buyout, I don't think that makes sense for anybody," Rhoades said. "Now with that said, a buyout is important. It's important for, if that person decides that 'hey, you know what, my family and I feel like it's best to move on or go somewhere else,' that we're protected financially in terms of transition, in terms of attracting the next person, all of those things."

Franklin is trying to work his way into the LSU job he's already hired a new agent that represents a large number of SEC coaches.

PartyBear said:

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DST said:

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I've already said he will be coaching LSU next season. Rhule is the cure to the disease they have right now.

I've also said that while I understood why he'd leave here for an NFL job and why the NFL would be appealing, I've never thought what made him a good coach would apply to pro football. Rhule's a motivator, shaper of young men type. He didn't make it to the NFL because was necessarily a perfect fit for it. He made it there because of networking and the fact that coaching hires in the league are 90% of the time about who knows who and reputation.

I expected him to be back in college within five years. I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen after only two if it means landing a job like LSU, USC, or Penn State.

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I dont know how much say KM has within the LSU athletic dept. If she has alot of sway, I dont think Rhule goes to LSU.

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Nah, he's definitely angling for Penn State job.