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Gameday Thread: #7 Baylor (5-1) at Marquette (5-2)

November 27, 2022
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#7 Baylor (5-1) travels to Marquette (5-2) Tuesday November 29th at 7:30pm CST in Milwaukee, Wisconsin as part of the Big12/Big East Challenge.  The game will be televised on FS1.  

KenPom Prediction:  Baylor 82 Marquette 76

Torvik Prediction:  Baylor 79 Marquette 76

Evan Miyakawa Prediction:  Baylor 80 Marquette 79

Coaches

Marquette:  Shaka Smart (45) 296-157 (24-15 at Marquette); 9 NCCAs; 1 Sweet 16; 1 Elite 8; 1 FF

Baylor:  Scott Drew (51); 424-234 overall (404-223 at Baylor); 10 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship

Head to Head:  11-2 Drew

Marquette Starters

Guard:  Tyler Kolek (JR) 6-3 190 lbs 9 ppg; 5 reb; 8 asst; 41% FG; 43% 3pt; 81% FT

Guard:  Stevie Mitchell (SO) 6-2 195 lbs; 8 ppg; 3 reb; 43% FG; 35% 3pt; 64% FT

Guard:  Kam Jones (SO) 6-4 195 lbs; 13 ppg; 4 reb; 2 asst; 42% FG; 30% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward: Oso Ighodaro (JR) 6-9 215 lbs; 11 ppg; 6 reb; 3 asst; 61% FG; 42% FT

Forward:  Oliver-Maxence Prosper (JR) 6-8 230 lbs; 13 ppg; 5 reb; 55% FG; 31% 3pt; 67% FT

Marquette Bench

Guard:  Sean Jones (JR) 5-10 175 lbs; 6 ppg; 46% FG; 23% 3pt; 59% FT

Forward:  David Joplin (SO) 6-7 220 lbs; 11 ppg; 4 reb; 46% FG; 42% 3pt; 93% FT

Guard:  Chase Ross (FR) 6-4 195 lbs; 6 ppg; 2 reb; 47% FG; 27% 3pt; 78% FT

Baylor Starters

Guard:  Adam Flagler (SR) 6-3 185 lbs; 17 ppg; 3 reb; 7 asst; 52% FG; 54% 3pt; 100% FT

Guard:  LJ Cryer (JR) 6-1 190 lbs; 18 ppg; 2 reb; 2 asst; 48% FG; 38% 3pt; 100% FT

Guard:  Keyonte George (FR) 6-4 185 lbs; 15 ppg; 4 reb; 5 asst; 40% FG; 33% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward:  Jalen Bridges (JR) 6-7 225 lbs; 10 ppg; 4 reb; 2 asst; 49% FG; 20% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward:  Flo Thamba (SR) 6-10 250 lbs; 5 ppg; 5 reb; 1 blk; 90% FG; 41% FT

Baylor Bench

Guard:  Dale Bonner (SR) 6-2 170 lbs; 8 ppg; 2 reb; 4 asst; 2 st; 61% FG; 50% 3pt; 77% FT

Forward:  Caleb Lohner (JR) 6-8 235 lbs; 7 ppg; 5 reb; 63% FG; 50% 3pt; 71% FT

Guard:  Langston Love (FR) 6-5 210 lbs; 5 ppg; 2 reb; 44% FG; 39% 3pt; 71% FT

Forward:  Joshua Ojianwuna (FR) 6-10 235 lbs; 6 ppg; 4 reb; 1 blk; 80% FG; 69% FT

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Gameday Thread: #7 Baylor (5-1) at Marquette (5-2)

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IowaBear
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8:45p, 11/29/22
Isn't Grimes a true PG why was he redshirted when it was glaringly obvious we need a true PG?
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In reply to IvanBear • 8:47p, 11/29/22
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bear2be2 said:
IowaBear said:
The mods and know it alls on here want you to think we have the best guards. Houston's guards would eat ours for lunch. Just an average group of guards nothing special
Our guards are objectively very good. This is just a really bad game.

Our defense is a very real problem, though. If we don't get that fixed, it's going to be a long year.


On the one hand George at least is young so he can maybe develop a defense, but on the other he's playing like a poor man's Matthew Mayer on offense. I guess maybe we can get two years of him if he keeps playing like this.

The real lack of anyone who can play the 3 and 4 is such a huge problem for this team. Sorry Lohner is just serviceable at best.
Bridges is a much bigger problem than Lohner right now.
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:47p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Isn't Grimes a true PG why was he redshirted when it was glaringly obvious we need a true PG?
Those can be broken but let's be honest he was very raw he needs development time
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:47p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Isn't Grimes a true PG why was he redshirted when it was glaringly obvious we need a true PG?

Bc we don't need to be complaining about a grimes on the basketball thread too
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:48p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Isn't Grimes a true PG why was he redshirted when it was glaringly obvious we need a true PG?
He was a lightly recruited JUCO guy. He's probably not very good yet.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 8:48p, 11/29/22
bear2be2 said:
IvanBear said:
bear2be2 said:
IowaBear said:
O The mods and know it alls on here want you to think we have the best guards. Houston's guards would eat ours for lunch. Just an average group of guards nothing special
Our guards are objectively very good. This is just a really bad game.

Our defense is a very real problem, though. If we don't get that fixed, it's going to be a long year.


On the one hand George at least is young so he can maybe develop a defense, but on the other he's playing like a poor man's Matthew Mayer on offense. I guess maybe we can get two years of him if he keeps playing like this.

The real lack of anyone who can play the 3 and 4 is such a huge problem for this team. Sorry Lohner is just serviceable at best.
Bridges is a much bigger problem than Lohner right now.
Yes sorry I meant to imply he's the only guy out of Bridges, George, and him that can somewhat perform appropriately at the role.
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8:49p, 11/29/22
Our guards are not objectively very good. Turnovers matter and they go multiple minutes without even getting a good shot. Winning bball is more than shooting %. They can be good at times but they can also suck at times. Defense also matters and no one on this team could have started 2 yrs ago. That team was amazing, but that is the standard for "good".
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8:49p, 11/29/22
This gonna be a looong season
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8:49p, 11/29/22
We just stand around with our hands in our pockets in the paint
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In reply to RaisedOnBear • 8:51p, 11/29/22
RaisedOnBear said:
Our guards are not objectively very good. Turnovers matter and they go multiple minutes without even getting a good shot. Winning bball is more than shooting %. They can be good at times but they can also suck at times. Defense also matters and no one on this team could have started 2 yrs ago. That team was amazing, but that is the standard for "good".
This is recency bias speaking. Our guards have been good all year and will be good the rest of the season.

We won't play another offensive half like the first half of tonight's game again this season. The guards aren't the problem. Our brutal team defense is.

And our national championship team had one of the best backcourts in the history of college basketball. That's an impossible standard.
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8:51p, 11/29/22
Really hope Drew gets back to finding and playing skilled big men. No reason we can mix good guards and good bigs.
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8:51p, 11/29/22
The problem is that Flo, Bridges and Lohner pose no offensive threat. Shaka's press worked to perfection because he knew Flo and Bridges/Lohner weren't a threat so the guards would try to overhandle the ball working it upcourt instead of trying to throw to the far sides. Flo is no threat to dribble drive after receiving a lengthy pass and unfortunately Bridges and Lohner are fumble fingers.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 8:51p, 11/29/22
We scored 25 points…. Guards ARE the problem, well one of many problems
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8:52p, 11/29/22
Just a thought, maybe guard against the 3-point shots? It could make a difference.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:52p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Really hope Drew gets back to finding and playing skilled big men. No reason we can mix good guards and good bigs.
Flo has really created a black hole at this position since we lost Freddy.
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8:52p, 11/29/22
We're getting there on offense, but this defense went from allowing drives every second to letting them heat up on the perimeter.
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:52p, 11/29/22
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Offensively their good when their hitting 3's. All around play. No not in my eyes at least. Gotta be able to play some D and none of them can. There was a thread about this group of guards being better than the Natty teams guards and that's the funniest **** I've ever read. Those guards would embarrass this group


They would torch this team brutally. That team would absolutely destroy this weak Marquette pressure. Imagine what ease they would have getting to the lane on every possession against Bu's layback style. Ridiculous defense
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In reply to DanaDane • 8:53p, 11/29/22
But but we don't need scoring from the 4-5 positions… I was told. True is you do and this is exactly why. Flo and Bridges are worthless because they give us NOTHING offensively and are even worse defensively
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8:53p, 11/29/22
Marquette putting on a passing clinic. But, it doesn't help that BU is overcommitting and leaving them wide open.
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:53p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
We scored 25 points…. Guards ARE the problem, well one of many problems
In one game ... that you are predictably overreacting to.

Our defense is a legitimate problem. Our guards are a massive strength.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 8:55p, 11/29/22
If this is overreactiving take your green blinders off. Our guards can't defend. If you don't see that I suggest you make an appointment for a vision checkup.
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8:56p, 11/29/22
Switching to Christmas cookie bake off on Food Network. At least it's competitive.
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8:56p, 11/29/22
I'm not sure how you fix the D. It's evident we are not equipped to be a good man-to-man D, and unfortunately we'd likely get shot out of the gym in more than a few games trying to play zone in the Big 12 this year. I'm sure Drew and staff will continue to work on some type of hybrid D to try and fit the skills.
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In reply to DanaDane • 8:58p, 11/29/22
Play zone. Cryer, Flagler and George can't stay in front of anyone. Make teams like us up from deep. Likely to happen but it's better than the layup drill Marquettes running
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:59p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Really hope Drew gets back to finding and playing skilled big men. No reason we can mix good guards and good bigs.


Only thing I can think of is he thought Sochan would have been a 2 year guy. Him and Jon healthy and we have a good team. Huge gaps in the roster.
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In reply to IowaBear • 8:59p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
If this is overreactiving take your green blinders off. Our guards can't defend. If you don't see that I suggest you make an appointment for a vision checkup.
We have a team defense problem. No one is doing their job currently.

But you were complaining about our guards' offense, which is silly.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:01p, 11/29/22
Yes the 16 unforced first half turnovers mostly by our GUARDS is a silly thing for you to disregard. But I expect nothing less from you. After all you know everything.
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9:01p, 11/29/22
Baylor shooting 54% from the field. Lighting it up!
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9:01p, 11/29/22
Yes this is a bad game. The season isn't over. Yall need to calm down. We will regroup by the end of the season. We will be ready for march. Maybe even win the big 12 tournament.
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In reply to IowaBear • 9:02p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Really hope Drew gets back to finding and playing skilled big men. No reason we can mix good guards and good bigs.
He does a pretty decent job of finding skilled big men. Sochan was a lottery pick a year ago.
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In reply to IowaBear • 9:03p, 11/29/22
All you do is crap on Baylor. No matter the game. Why do you even come on these threads
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In reply to IowaBear • 9:03p, 11/29/22
IowaBear said:
Yes the 16 unforced first half turnovers mostly by our GUARDS is a silly thing for you to disregard. But I expect nothing less from you. After all you know everything.
In this one game. They've played really poorly tonight. There's no reason to make a trend out of a one-time event. When turnovers become a trend, we can talk about it.

Poor defense is a trend. Our guards are still good.

No opposing coach or analyst would agree that our guards are a problem on the offensive end. It's a silly, kneejerk reaction to a frustrating night.
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9:03p, 11/29/22
Thamba is frankly just a bad basketball player. He has improved almost none over the years. Terrible feat, horrible defender, can't really rebound, all he does is get is five fouls and exit the game. Really a waste of a roster spot.
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In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 9:04p, 11/29/22
Crawfoso1973 said:
IowaBear said:
Really hope Drew gets back to finding and playing skilled big men. No reason we can mix good guards and good bigs.
He does a pretty decent job of finding skilled big men. Sochan was a lottery pick a year ago.

Sochan was the best player to wear a Baylor jersey.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:05p, 11/29/22
How are our guards defensively?? You keep conveniently avoiding that question. Are good guards not good on both ends of the court?
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