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In reply to Method Man • 6:23p, 2/10/25
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Last year the Mavs were ranked #20 in Scoring Defense. On the way to the NBA Finals they knocked off T'Wolves #1 in Scoring Defense, Clippers #10 in SD, and Thunder #11 in SD. Of course we want a better defense....but we beat 3 teams in the playoffs that had better defensive rankings.

I don't think we can assume just because the Mavs didn't win the Finals last year that meant they had hit their ceiling under Luka. Often times teams get close several times before finally breaking through.

In 21-22 the Celtics finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and went on to lose in the NBA Finals to the Warriors 2-4. In 22-23 the Celtics again finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and then got beat in the Conf Finals to the Heat 3-4. Then of course last year they finally broke through and got their Title.

We were possibly seeing a similar trajectory with the Mavs making the Conf Finals in 2022 and then the NBA Finals in 2024. We never got to see what this new roster construction with Klay, Grimes, Naji, and a second year Lively could do with Luka at the helm.

Luka isn't Jordan....but Jordan did not win his first NBA Title until his 7th season. Three years in a row from '87-'90 the Bulls got bounced by the Pistons before finally breaking through for their first Title in '91. Luka is now in his 7th season.
The Celtics were the best team in the NBA by far in 2024. Anyone who watched them play in the playoffs knew this.

If the Mavericks had somehow knocked them off to win the championship, it would have rivaled Dirk's 2011 run as one of the most unlikely in the recent history of the NBA.

That Luka took that bunch to the finals is a feather in his cap. Those trying to turn the loss to Boston into any other sort of narrative are idiots.


There might be a better way to construct a team that can annually contend for the NBA title.



Annually? This thing now has a shelf life of maybe 2 or 3 years...and no draft capital. And if AD is out for the season with surgery you can shorten that by one year.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 6:35p, 2/10/25
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Method Man said:
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Last year the Mavs were ranked #20 in Scoring Defense. On the way to the NBA Finals they knocked off T'Wolves #1 in Scoring Defense, Clippers #10 in SD, and Thunder #11 in SD. Of course we want a better defense....but we beat 3 teams in the playoffs that had better defensive rankings.

I don't think we can assume just because the Mavs didn't win the Finals last year that meant they had hit their ceiling under Luka. Often times teams get close several times before finally breaking through.

In 21-22 the Celtics finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and went on to lose in the NBA Finals to the Warriors 2-4. In 22-23 the Celtics again finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and then got beat in the Conf Finals to the Heat 3-4. Then of course last year they finally broke through and got their Title.

We were possibly seeing a similar trajectory with the Mavs making the Conf Finals in 2022 and then the NBA Finals in 2024. We never got to see what this new roster construction with Klay, Grimes, Naji, and a second year Lively could do with Luka at the helm.

Luka isn't Jordan....but Jordan did not win his first NBA Title until his 7th season. Three years in a row from '87-'90 the Bulls got bounced by the Pistons before finally breaking through for their first Title in '91. Luka is now in his 7th season.
The Celtics were the best team in the NBA by far in 2024. Anyone who watched them play in the playoffs knew this.

If the Mavericks had somehow knocked them off to win the championship, it would have rivaled Dirk's 2011 run as one of the most unlikely in the recent history of the NBA.

That Luka took that bunch to the finals is a feather in his cap. Those trying to turn the loss to Boston into any other sort of narrative are idiots.


There might be a better way to construct a team that can annually contend for the NBA title.



Annually? This thing now has a shelf life of maybe 2 or 3 years...and no draft capital. And if AD is out for the season with surgery you can shorten that by one year.
This current team has a shelf life of 25, 26 and 27....and our out of shape, non defense playing superstar has caused the 24-25 Mavericks to be a .500 team.

All the potential in the world means nothing if you are not available to play.

Most NBA championship teams are elite defensively. The addition of AD and Max Christie has the potential to turn this current Mavs squad into the best defensive team they've ever had in franchise history.

I don't think the Mavs were ever going to win a title with Luka has the best player. It was just going to be the Luka show. A ton of amazing stats and offensive highlights...marked by underachieving regular seasons and the occasional good playoff run.
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In reply to Method Man • 6:35p, 2/10/25
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The fitness thing has to be a smoke screen. Dirk will be the first one to tell you that he didn't take his body seriously until his 30s. So to assume that Luka wouldn't flip the switch somewhere down the line...? Doesn't add up.

At best, this still feels like an ownership decision to cut payroll and reduce fan interest. At worst, this feels like some sort of collusion to get the league's best player on a marquee team.
Umm......This isn't true.

72 is the most games Luka Doncic has ever played for the Mavs which was 87% of the season. That was his rookie year.

Dirk was giving you 77-82 games/season every year for like 10-12 years. Same with Tim Duncan, Hakeem, Lebron, Kobe...etc

The reason these franchise players were consistently on teams that were winning 50 games a season was that these franchise players almost always played 90% of the games in a season.

Luka has NEVER given the Mavs 90%.....and its a big reason why 52-30 is the best regular season record of a Luka led team.
Luka is only 25 and he's already missing half the season?????

Dirk was in year 15 before he ever missed serious time.....why was what? Because Dirk was always lean.
Great. Now, take this same argument and apply it to Anthony Davis. It's even more damning than what you just said.

Again, it's bad enough that the Mavs traded Luka. Hell, I'm not even a Mavs fan and I'm heated about it. It's indefensible that they traded him for such a paltry return. They got back a player who is WAY more injury-prone, 6 years older, and is worse now than Luka is. No one is saying Davis is a bad player, but not getting a better deal than the Mavs got is criminal.
I know they don't promote it on television.....but defense matters.
Seriously.

I went to the Mavs game on Saturday. In AD's debut the Mavs set a franchise record for blocks???
Their defensive effort was incredible.

The Mavs haven't had an all defensive player since Tyson Chandler made 2nd team all Defense in 2010-11...and guess what happened that year?
they won the championship.

Tyson Chandler in 2011 is the only player the Mavs have ever had that was a DPOY type of talent.

The Mavs best defensive bigs in franchise history have been:
1. Tyson Chandler
2. Roy Tarpley
3. Daniel Gafford
4. Derek Lively
5. DeSagana Diop
6. Shawn Bradley
7. Erick Dampier

Anthony Davis is so much better than all of those guys its not even funny. The Mavs have never had a player with the defensive talent of a Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis...etc

On paper, the 24-25 Mavs should be one the 3 or 4 best Mavs teams of all time. This team has beaten OKC 3x and the Celtics in Boston all without Luka Doncic.

This team should be something like 37-16....but what are they? Barely over .500 because our supposed superstar can't come into training camp in shape.

If Luka was playing 75-82 games a year then the Mavs record would resemble their record like they had under Dirk Nowitski......which was regularly winning 55 to 60 games/season.

The Mavs brass feel like between Kyrie, Klay, Dinwiddie and Jaden Harden that they have enough perimeter offense to be a strong offensive team. They feel that subtracting their worst defensive player for a DPOY type of talent will make them a better team in the short run which is the next 3 years.
The Mavericks just went to the NBA Finals. Two years after reaching the Western Conference Finals with a ****ty roster.

And we've got people acting like Luka was leading 42-win teams to first-round exits.

It's absurd. Gaslighting at its finest.

AD was on a team with Lebron James and they've been mediocre as often as not since their Mickey Mouse title in the bubble. This idea that he's the missing piece the Mavericks needed to lift the organization past the Luka's "ceiling" of a finals appearance is ****ing ridiculous.
The Mavs goal isn't getting to the NBA Finals....its to win the whole thing.

and thats hard to do when your best player doesn't do jack chit on defense. Luka has always been the golden boy....but the Mavs were not supposed to go out in 5 games during the 24 Finals.
That series should have gone at least 6 or 7,

Luka lost game 3 (and the series) for the Mavs in the 24 NBA Finals by whining, pouting and not playing any defense.
Dude gets 4 fouls in the 4th quarter and quits on the Mavs with 4 minutes left after they got to 93-90.
Un F***cking acceptable.
That series might have gone six or seven if Kyrie Irving wasn't a complete no-show.

Luka was the only player to show up at all in the finals. No one else on the roster could hit a freaking shot. Anyone blaming him for the Mavs finals loss is a moron.
STFU ass clown.

LUKA no showed on defense during the Finals. The Celtics actively hunted him throughout the series....and Luka exited game 3 fouling out with 4 minutes left in the game (and the mavs down 93-90) when he got so frustrated that he committed four insane fouls during the 4th quarter.

What superstar fouls out of a Game 3 of an NBA Finals with 4 minutes left in the game????????


You calling anyone an ass clown in this thread is comedy.

You and your boy Nico are going to look like complete dumbasses when Luka is winning titles in L.A. and the ringless Mavericks are in a full rebuild four years from now.
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6:52p, 2/10/25
Method Man calling out Luka repeatedly for his inability to stay on the court this season, while simultaneously ignoring that Anthony Davis has not been able to stay in the lineup his entire career is high comedy.

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7:39p, 2/10/25
I found another Luka bootlicker.
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8:11p, 2/10/25
Now Gafford goes down with a knee injury. Guess none of my teams can have centers this year.
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I wish cowboys fans would start doing this stuff too. I understand kicking them out if the sign had profanity or personal threats...but that's kind of soft to toss someone for that.

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In reply to boognish_bear • 10:31p, 2/10/25
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Fans just need to stop going to games. If they want an arena full of fans that support every decision they make, they can play the rest of the season in a half-empty arena.

I haven't watched a game since the trade, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I've lost all interest, and their treatment of Luka on his way out and of the fans who have voiced their displeasure just reinforces my opinion that this organization is no longer worthy of support.
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7:39a, 2/11/25
People are upsetting the billionaires

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1:06p, 2/11/25
stop supporting these rat commies.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:15p, 2/11/25
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Fans just need to stop going to games. If they want an arena full of fans that support every decision they make, they can play the rest of the season in a half-empty arena.

I haven't watched a game since the trade, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I've lost all interest, and their treatment of Luka on his way out and of the fans who have voiced their displeasure just reinforces my opinion that this organization is no longer worthy of support.
There's a better than 50% chance that's exactly what the Adelsons want
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In reply to GoodOleBaylorLine • 1:35p, 2/11/25
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bear2be2 said:
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Fans just need to stop going to games. If they want an arena full of fans that support every decision they make, they can play the rest of the season in a half-empty arena.

I haven't watched a game since the trade, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I've lost all interest, and their treatment of Luka on his way out and of the fans who have voiced their displeasure just reinforces my opinion that this organization is no longer worthy of support.
There's a better than 50% chance that's exactly what the Adelsons want
I agree, but I'm OK with that. I will never support this franchise as long as this group owns it, so I'd just as soon see it leave for Vegas and be replaced by an expansion team afterward.
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2:41p, 2/11/25
So maybe LA was not the only place they shopped Luka

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In reply to boognish_bear • 4:52p, 2/11/25
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That was the first thing I thought of also
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10:34a, 2/12/25
The Dumb Zone podcast interviewed three of the guys kicked out. This does NOT make Cuban and the Mavs look good.

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In reply to Hotsauce • 10:42a, 2/12/25
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The Dumb Zone podcast interviewed three of the guys kicked out. This does NOT make Cuban and the Mavs look good.



I can't remember ever seeing a franchise policing its fans like this. It's only going to make things worse for them.

I thought the Cowboys were the only dumb franchise in town...but now it's Dumb and Dumbet.
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4:10p, 2/12/25
The conspiracy theory is the only thing that makes sense ... the NBA did it.

No one would intentionally make such a stupid trade.
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In reply to Method Man • 8:18p, 2/12/25
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Last year the Mavs were ranked #20 in Scoring Defense. On the way to the NBA Finals they knocked off T'Wolves #1 in Scoring Defense, Clippers #10 in SD, and Thunder #11 in SD. Of course we want a better defense....but we beat 3 teams in the playoffs that had better defensive rankings.

I don't think we can assume just because the Mavs didn't win the Finals last year that meant they had hit their ceiling under Luka. Often times teams get close several times before finally breaking through.

In 21-22 the Celtics finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and went on to lose in the NBA Finals to the Warriors 2-4. In 22-23 the Celtics again finished #2 in the Eastern Conf and then got beat in the Conf Finals to the Heat 3-4. Then of course last year they finally broke through and got their Title.

We were possibly seeing a similar trajectory with the Mavs making the Conf Finals in 2022 and then the NBA Finals in 2024. We never got to see what this new roster construction with Klay, Grimes, Naji, and a second year Lively could do with Luka at the helm.

Luka isn't Jordan....but Jordan did not win his first NBA Title until his 7th season. Three years in a row from '87-'90 the Bulls got bounced by the Pistons before finally breaking through for their first Title in '91. Luka is now in his 7th season.
The Celtics were the best team in the NBA by far in 2024. Anyone who watched them play in the playoffs knew this.

If the Mavericks had somehow knocked them off to win the championship, it would have rivaled Dirk's 2011 run as one of the most unlikely in the recent history of the NBA.

That Luka took that bunch to the finals is a feather in his cap. Those trying to turn the loss to Boston into any other sort of narrative are idiots.


There might be a better way to construct a team that can annually contend for the NBA title.



Annually? This thing now has a shelf life of maybe 2 or 3 years...and no draft capital. And if AD is out for the season with surgery you can shorten that by one year.
This current team has a shelf life of 25, 26 and 27....and our out of shape, non defense playing superstar has caused the 24-25 Mavericks to be a .500 team.

All the potential in the world means nothing if you are not available to play.

Most NBA championship teams are elite defensively. The addition of AD and Max Christie has the potential to turn this current Mavs squad into the best defensive team they've ever had in franchise history.

I don't think the Mavs were ever going to win a title with Luka has the best player. It was just going to be the Luka show. A ton of amazing stats and offensive highlights...marked by underachieving regular seasons and the occasional good playoff run.
Man did this post age poorly. You're complaining about Luka's availability the day before we find out AD may be done for the season, and at a minimum is likely out for a month?

LOL.

The soon to be 32-year-old defensive superstar we traded for has missed an average of 24 games per season the last 4 seasons. He's more than halfway to that number this season, and we haven't even hit the all-star break. He will easily eclipse 24 games missed.

AD is good player when he's available. He's no alpha, but he's a good complimentary star. But he's even more injury prone than Luka.

Love Kyrie, but let's be honest - he isn't the player he was. So now, our best players are a 30-something center who has a hard time staying healthy, and a soon to be 33 year old smallish guard whose game relies on dribble penetration, but who has lost a step and whose numbers have dipped across the board this season.

This team isn't going anywhere as currently constructed. They will be lucky to make the playoffs this season, unless AD can come back sooner than expected.

And that is why this was one of the dumbest trades in the history of NBA trades.
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Oof

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In reply to boognish_bear • 8:40p, 2/12/25
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Oof

Got to be Luka's fault, according to Method Man.
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