Big South Defensive Player of the Year Juslin Bodo Bodo Commits to Baylor

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IvanBear said:

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Multi year players for the win!

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Hard to even get excited about multi-year guys when they will probably just leave anyway.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Multi year players for the win!

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Hard to even get excited about multi-year guys when they will probably just leave anyway.

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To be fair they didn't mean multi year here

Like this add. He is also pretty filled out for 7 footer

I like this pickup, especially since most of the other front-court players we've added are offensive-minded. We don't need scoring from this position. Just set good, hard screens, crash the offensive glass and protect the rim on defense.

I also love that we theoretically could get two years out of him.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Multi year players for the win!

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Hard to even get excited about multi-year guys when they will probably just leave anyway.

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I understand this sentiment, but one-year transfers are definitely leaving. At least with multi-year guys, you have a chance of building some continuity.

While I'd love to have players for three or four years, two-year guys are fine with me. You can plan and build around two-year guys, as we have with a number of JUCO transfers in the past.

It's the cycle of one-year players that frustrates me because you're never building to anything. You're hoping every year that a brand new roster will click and jell quickly enough to compete with best teams in the country -- which is almost impossible IMO.

My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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I understand your point, but other programs aren't having as hard a time holding onto their multi-year guys as we are, which means it's possible to do so if we start recruiting the right guys and allocating our resources the way others who are having more success in that area are.

Either way, I'd rather have more multi-year guys on our roster than one-year guys. You know you'll be reshuffling the deck the next year with one-year guys. At least mutli-year guys give you the chance to get back to building a program rather than a series of increasingly flawed teams.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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No, I don't have sour grapes at all. I'm happy for Rob, that's life changing money. I'm not acting like a spoiled kid at all, I see the environment that the college game is in and I don't blame our coaches for it.

I'll do it one more time for you. Reigning big 12 player of the year 4 million. ACCORDING TO YOU, POTENTIALLY and all conference type player 3.5 million. Which one jumps off of the page to you?

Seriously grow up. Quit acting like a spoiled child pointing fingers everywhere

Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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No, I don't have sour grapes at all. I'm happy for Rob, that's life changing money. I'm not acting like a spoiled kid at all, I see the environment that the college game is in and I don't blame our coaches for it.

I'll do it one more time for you. Reigning big 12 player of the year 4 million. ACCORDING TO YOU, POTENTIALLY and all conference type player 3.5 million. Which one jumps off of the page to you?

Seriously grow up. Quit acting like a spoiled child pointing fingers everywhere

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Neither jumps off the page and no where in the National media are people saying Wright is over paid in context of the market. Just the fans on this board. Baylor is expected to compete for a final four every year now based on Drew's track record. We'll have to pay guys like it.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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We had/have too many needs to invest $3 million in any single player.

I can't blame Drew or Baylor for not matching BYU's offer. It would have been poor stewardship of resources to do so.

The gap between Wright and the upperclassman we're likely to replace him with in the portal likely won't be as large as the gap in compensation, and the savings will allow us to build a more complete roster and shore up weaknesses in other areas.

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I hear you, I do think had we been higher than 1.5 there may have been less appetite to hit the market like he did, but his dad seems like a piece of work so who knows.

I'm confident we under paid at 1.5 but I do agree for $3m I'm not sure I'd take him. That's what the market is breathing though…

My biggest concern is I think timing wise of all this means we won't get someone as good as him at point. Do this at the beginning yeah I'd think it would work out, this late in the game I'm not so sure. Happy to be wrong though.

IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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We had/have too many needs to invest $3 million in any single player.

I can't blame Drew or Baylor for not matching BYU's offer. It would have been poor stewardship of resources to do so.

The gap between Wright and the upperclassman we're likely to replace him with in the portal likely won't be as large as the gap in compensation, and the savings will allow us to build a more complete roster and shore up weaknesses in other areas.

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I hear you, I do think had we been higher than 1.5 there may have been less appetite to hit the market like he did, but his dad seems like a piece of work so who knows.

I'm confident we under paid at 1.5 but I do agree for $3m I'm not sure I'd take him. That's what the market is breathing though…

My biggest concern is I think timing wise of all this means we won't get someone as good as him at point. Do this at the beginning yeah I'd think it would work out, this late in the game I'm not so sure. Happy to be wrong though.

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I think what we'll likely see is White (the Omaha transfer) slide over to the starting point guard role until or unless we recruit over him with a player more suited to that role. And if we can't find a better fit for the starting job, we'll add a good backup to give us a solid rotation between the two.

If we can get 40 minutes out of two steady upperclassmen, we'll be better off than we were this past season, when we got mostly quality minutes from Wright and poor minutes at the point from Roach.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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We had/have too many needs to invest $3 million in any single player.

I can't blame Drew or Baylor for not matching BYU's offer. It would have been poor stewardship of resources to do so.

The gap between Wright and the upperclassman we're likely to replace him with in the portal likely won't be as large as the gap in compensation, and the savings will allow us to build a more complete roster and shore up weaknesses in other areas.

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I hear you, I do think had we been higher than 1.5 there may have been less appetite to hit the market like he did, but his dad seems like a piece of work so who knows.

I'm confident we under paid at 1.5 but I do agree for $3m I'm not sure I'd take him. That's what the market is breathing though…

My biggest concern is I think timing wise of all this means we won't get someone as good as him at point. Do this at the beginning yeah I'd think it would work out, this late in the game I'm not so sure. Happy to be wrong though.

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I think what we'll likely see is White (the Omaha transfer) slide over to the starting point guard role until or unless we recruit over him with a player more suited to that role. And if we can't find a better fit for the starting job, we'll add a good backup to give us a solid rotation between the two.

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Not good. Omaha is a solid backup at the high D1 level. But need a starting pg badly.

I understand Wright hurt the situation but don't think you can trot Omaha out there in a starting role and expect anything this year.

Quinton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Heisman25g said:

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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My point was in this new environment, you can't plan and build around anyone, no matter how many years of eligibility they have remaining. Unless something drastic changes we are looking at 90-100% roster turnover every year.

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You can plan and build around people, you just gotta over pay them - which in this market I'd argue maybe isn't over paying. We opted not to for our one guy. Schools like Tech did. That simple.

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This is so disingenuous and the exact reason why so many ppl have you muted on this site. Techs player was big 12 player of the year and they paid him 4 million. Every Tech person I have spoken to didn't even know who Rob Wright was and he got 3.5 million for some perspective. Keeping him for that would have been detrimental to the overall team.

Stop acting like a spoiled child and understand that the environment has dramatically changed and this is how things are going to be for the near future. Time to grow up.

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This sour grapes about Rob Weight continues, you're acting like the spoiled child thinking Wright is being overpaid. Just admit you don't think these guys should maximize their value in the marketplace that exists. The general consensus on both this board and the media expected him to be an all conference type player next year. He's still projected to be that and the national media now seems to even think he'll be better next year at BYU than he was at Baylor. That means he gets near top of the market money. He's not even the highest paid player on his team either.

I'm sure you've seen the numbers floating around for what guys are going for. Baylor offered him starter money not all conference player type money. People are being paid on expectation not past performance, the way the market looks now $1.5 was an absolute steal for him and underpaying the market.

Now we'll have to take a downgrade at the point position and a further setback on program development.

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We had/have too many needs to invest $3 million in any single player.

I can't blame Drew or Baylor for not matching BYU's offer. It would have been poor stewardship of resources to do so.

The gap between Wright and the upperclassman we're likely to replace him with in the portal likely won't be as large as the gap in compensation, and the savings will allow us to build a more complete roster and shore up weaknesses in other areas.

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I hear you, I do think had we been higher than 1.5 there may have been less appetite to hit the market like he did, but his dad seems like a piece of work so who knows.

I'm confident we under paid at 1.5 but I do agree for $3m I'm not sure I'd take him. That's what the market is breathing though…

My biggest concern is I think timing wise of all this means we won't get someone as good as him at point. Do this at the beginning yeah I'd think it would work out, this late in the game I'm not so sure. Happy to be wrong though.

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I think what we'll likely see is White (the Omaha transfer) slide over to the starting point guard role until or unless we recruit over him with a player more suited to that role. And if we can't find a better fit for the starting job, we'll add a good backup to give us a solid rotation between the two.

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Not good. Omaha is a solid backup at the high D1 level. But need a starting pg badly.

I understand Wright hurt the situation but don't think you can trot Omaha out there in a starting role and expect anything this year.

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We'll see. I'm higher on JJ White than you are. He's a really efficient scorer who can do some playmaking and makes good decisions with the basketball.

And Agbim's a ball-dominant scoring guard, which -- in Drew's offense -- limits the need for a true point guard in the halfcourt to begin with.

I'd love to have had Wright back, obviously. And we'll probably take a hit with his late departure limiting our options for replacement. But I think White can handle the job in a rotation with another competent upperclassmen.

He'll get a lot more help on the offensive end than our point guards did this past season. Rataj and Agbim are legit alpha-type scorers. Our point guards' most important job next season will be getting the ball in their hands.