College Basketball Crown Tournament

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bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.


I did not know that … thank you for explaining.
BearFan33
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IMO this is good for the program and for the players. They won't get the exposure of playing in the big dance but some extra money in their pocket for wherever life may take them.
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016



Oh so the second round then….. that seems to be his round.

We went 38 years (from 1950 to 1988) with no tournament appearances. Then we went another 20 year stretch (1988 to 2008) with no tournament appearances. During these decades of futility, any appearance in the 2nd round would've been celebrated as a huge success.

While this season has been hugely disappointing and the previous 2 seasons where we were eliminated in the 2nd round were relatively disappointing, zoom out a little bit. As fans we all need to back off the ledge a little bit and gain a a little perspective...myself included. I personally witnessed the futility of the Harry Miller and Dave Bliss teams. How quickly we all become spoiled and forget how far CSD has elevated our program.
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Thank you! Craw
BUBradley
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A reasonable comment on this board?! This should have 100 blue stars.
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Crawfoso1973 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016



Oh so the second round then….. that seems to be his round.

We went 38 years (from 1950 to 1988) with no tournament appearances. Then we went another 20 year stretch (1988 to 2008) with no tournament appearances. During these decades of futility, any appearance in the 2nd round would've been celebrated as a huge success.

While this season has been hugely disappointing and the previous 2 seasons where we were eliminated in the 2nd round were relatively disappointing, zoom out a little bit. As fans we all need to back off the ledge a little bit and gain a a little perspective...myself included. I personally witnessed the futility of the Harry Miller and Dave Bliss teams. How quickly we all become spoiled and forget how far CSD has elevated our program.

I think knowing history can be important, sometimes because we are reminded how hard it was to get here. We have exactly 3 post season wins in our history prior to CSD. 2 of those came in the 1948 team that made the NCAA finals when it was an 8 team tournament. Leaving the NCAA tournament early stings. Losing at any point is devastating--just ask Houston. From my perspective not getting an invite for a generation or so, is way worse.
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Crawfoso1973 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016



Oh so the second round then….. that seems to be his round.

We went 38 years (from 1950 to 1988) with no tournament appearances. Then we went another 20 year stretch (1988 to 2008) with no tournament appearances. During these decades of futility, any appearance in the 2nd round would've been celebrated as a huge success.

While this season has been hugely disappointing and the previous 2 seasons where we were eliminated in the 2nd round were relatively disappointing, zoom out a little bit. As fans we all need to back off the ledge a little bit and gain a a little perspective...myself included. I personally witnessed the futility of the Harry Miller and Dave Bliss teams. How quickly we all become spoiled and forget how far CSD has elevated our program.

pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016

You don't believe in jinxes, do you?
cowboycwr
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bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.
bear2be2
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.
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bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

bear2be2
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.
cowboycwr
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bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.


And there it is. The "you don't post enough so you can't be a fan" response that is thrown out when the other person has no argument left to make.

Posts here have NOTHING to do with level of engagement, fan loyalty, games watched, knowledge of the sport or anything else. It just shows who has time and cares to post all season long and who doesn't.

Yes our team wasn't bowl eligible. But the rules literally say that if not enough 6 win teams exist or accept bowl invites then 5-7 teams with high enough academic standards can go.

Here we didn't have a good enough record to make the tournament that matters. Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.

Just like football where all the other teams were chosen first and we were an after thought.
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bear2be2
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.


And there it is. The "you don't post enough so you can't be a fan" response that is thrown out when the other person has no argument left to make.

Posts here have NOTHING to do with level of engagement, fan loyalty, games watched, knowledge of the sport or anything else. It just shows who has time and cares to post all season long and who doesn't.

Yes our team wasn't bowl eligible. But the rules literally say that if not enough 6 win teams exist or accept bowl invites then 5-7 teams with high enough academic standards can go.

Here we didn't have a good enough record to make the tournament that matters. Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.

Just like football where all the other teams were chosen first and we were an after thought.

I've already made my argument. And yours here is incoherent. Because extended to football, it's saying that no bowl games after the playoff matter at all, which would make our declining the lowest-level bowl game possible with a 5-7 record the right thing to do.

My stance is perfectly consistent. If we get invited to a postseason event on our own merit in any sport, we should accept it and compete to the best of our ability. If our team didn't do what was necessary during the regular season to qualify for the postseason and is only getting an invite because too many other teams said, 'Nah,' we should stay home.

I'm against entitlement in both cases -- the entitlement of declining something you earned and the entitlement of accepting something you didn't.

And your lack of posts here are an issue because you're making assumptions about people's positions that have been articulated by them all season here. If you don't care enough to read and post during the season, you shouldn't be posting like an authority/putting words in people's mouths after it.
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My understanding is that B10, B12 and Big East all have a contract with the Crown, so we are required to go if asked..
I absolutely could be wrong about this.
Also, I understood that if your NET Rank was one of the best of those left from the NCAA tourney then you go to the Crown first before the NIT.
But, once again I could be wrong. This is what I gathered from reading about it.

Please chime in if this is not the case!

Also, it is all paid for so why does it hurt for us to play?
I for one will be happy they get to play a few more games and I get to watch.
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bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.


And there it is. The "you don't post enough so you can't be a fan" response that is thrown out when the other person has no argument left to make.

Posts here have NOTHING to do with level of engagement, fan loyalty, games watched, knowledge of the sport or anything else. It just shows who has time and cares to post all season long and who doesn't.

Yes our team wasn't bowl eligible. But the rules literally say that if not enough 6 win teams exist or accept bowl invites then 5-7 teams with high enough academic standards can go.

Here we didn't have a good enough record to make the tournament that matters. Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.

Just like football where all the other teams were chosen first and we were an after thought.

I've already made my argument. And yours here is incoherent. Because extended to football, it's saying that no bowl games after the playoff matter at all, which would make our declining the lowest-level bowl game possible with a 5-7 record the right thing to do.

My stance is perfectly consistent. If we get invited to a postseason event on our own merit in any sport, we should accept it and compete to the best of our ability. If our team didn't do what was necessary during the regular season to qualify for the postseason and is only getting an invite because too many other teams said, 'Nah,' we should stay home.

I'm against entitlement in both cases -- the entitlement of declining something you earned and the entitlement of accepting something you didn't.

And your lack of posts here are an issue because you're making assumptions about people's positions that have been articulated by them all season here. If you don't care enough to read and post during the season, you shouldn't be posting like an authority/putting words in people's mouths after it.



Lol your last sentence is funny when that is exactly what your entire post is.

I have not put words in anyone's mouth. I have taken what they have posted here and simply pointed out how some on this thread are happy we have at least one more game to play and compete. And yet some of those same people saying that were against a bowl game.

The two are comparable because we did NOT have post season eligibility. At least not for the tournament. You know the one that matters. Then on top of that we didn't have eligibility for the NIT. So after all that we are picked for this after thought tournament. Again fighting for 101st best team.

My argument is not incoherent. It is simple. We are fighting for the 101st best team in the country. 101st. Not first. 101.

But you are the one very incoherent in this thread. You have said (and I quote)

Our sorry ass team is 3-0 against teams in this field.

Why is this tournament even a thing?

Then you said:

I'm glad he didn't decline. This program under Scott Drew is many things, but entitled is not one of them. I like that we have a coach and players who want to play and compete. I'd be more concerned if we didn't.


Which seems like two contradictory statements. But you tell me I am all over the place.

I am not making assumptions about posts anywhere but this thread. So my lack of posts all seasons has NOTHING to do with it. I will decide my level of caring during the season. Which again is not shown by posts here. So you can kiss off with that nonsense about me not posting enough to not have a say. I think I will keep posting when I feel like it and not post when I feel like it.
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BULiferBB said:


My understanding is that B10, B12 and Big East all have a contract with the Crown, so we are required to go if asked..
I absolutely could be wrong about this.
Also, I understood that if your NET Rank was one of the best of those left from the NCAA tourney then you go to the Crown first before the NIT.
But, once again I could be wrong. This is what I gathered from reading about it.

Please chime in if this is not the case!

Also, it is all paid for so why does it hurt for us to play?
I for one will be happy they get to play a few more games and I get to watch.



No teams can choose. They are not obligated to go to the crown. Teams could even say no to it.

The other thing people don't seem to understand about this tournament is that it ONLY pays if you win.

If your team loses the first round you get nothing. The players get nothing.

The more you win the more NIL money you get.

So it is a sure thing NIL paycheck like some have made it sound like in this thread.
BULiferBB
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I DO understand that you only get paid for 1st-4th place.
What I was trying to say was it does not cost Baylor anything.
There is an article out that is about why OU chose the Crown OVER NIT.
So it is not necessarily a bad tournament.
NO, it is not the NCAA but I'm still going to watch and I'm still going to be happy to do so.
Stefano DiMera
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As I posted on like the 2nd or 3rd post on this thread ...there is no more strata or.level of postseason tournament anymore after the NCAA.


We didn't 'miss' qualifying for the NIT.

We are in a Power 4 conference that has a quasi agreement now with The Crown.
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Thanks
BUBradley
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We need to make it to the championship for CSD to keep a winning record streak.
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.



Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.


That's not true at all. You clearly don't understand how any of this works, or the criteria for selection. And you're looking like a complete ****** on this thread in general.
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cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.


And there it is. The "you don't post enough so you can't be a fan" response that is thrown out when the other person has no argument left to make.

Posts here have NOTHING to do with level of engagement, fan loyalty, games watched, knowledge of the sport or anything else. It just shows who has time and cares to post all season long and who doesn't.

Yes our team wasn't bowl eligible. But the rules literally say that if not enough 6 win teams exist or accept bowl invites then 5-7 teams with high enough academic standards can go.

Here we didn't have a good enough record to make the tournament that matters. Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.

Just like football where all the other teams were chosen first and we were an after thought.

I've already made my argument. And yours here is incoherent. Because extended to football, it's saying that no bowl games after the playoff matter at all, which would make our declining the lowest-level bowl game possible with a 5-7 record the right thing to do.

My stance is perfectly consistent. If we get invited to a postseason event on our own merit in any sport, we should accept it and compete to the best of our ability. If our team didn't do what was necessary during the regular season to qualify for the postseason and is only getting an invite because too many other teams said, 'Nah,' we should stay home.

I'm against entitlement in both cases -- the entitlement of declining something you earned and the entitlement of accepting something you didn't.

And your lack of posts here are an issue because you're making assumptions about people's positions that have been articulated by them all season here. If you don't care enough to read and post during the season, you shouldn't be posting like an authority/putting words in people's mouths after it.



Lol your last sentence is funny when that is exactly what your entire post is.

I have not put words in anyone's mouth. I have taken what they have posted here and simply pointed out how some on this thread are happy we have at least one more game to play and compete. And yet some of those same people saying that were against a bowl game.

The two are comparable because we did NOT have post season eligibility. At least not for the tournament. You know the one that matters. Then on top of that we didn't have eligibility for the NIT. So after all that we are picked for this after thought tournament. Again fighting for 101st best team.

My argument is not incoherent. It is simple. We are fighting for the 101st best team in the country. 101st. Not first. 101.

But you are the one very incoherent in this thread. You have said (and I quote)

Our sorry ass team is 3-0 against teams in this field.

Why is this tournament even a thing?

Then you said:

I'm glad he didn't decline. This program under Scott Drew is many things, but entitled is not one of them. I like that we have a coach and players who want to play and compete. I'd be more concerned if we didn't.


Which seems like two contradictory statements. But you tell me I am all over the place.

I am not making assumptions about posts anywhere but this thread. So my lack of posts all seasons has NOTHING to do with it. I will decide my level of caring during the season. Which again is not shown by posts here. So you can kiss off with that nonsense about me not posting enough to not have a say. I think I will keep posting when I feel like it and not post when I feel like it.

How are those contradictory statements exactly? I don't think any bowl game we would play in at 6-6 is any more significant than this tournament. But I still think we should go and play in those when we qualify.

Nothing but the NCAA tournament in basketball and the CFP in football have any real national significance. But these secondary postseason events can have significance to the teams involved if they're approached correctly.

That doesn't mean I think those events are nationally relevant or worthy of celebration. But if treated as an opportunity to get better and build some positive momentum for the following season, they can be that for the teams that play in them.

I prefer that our teams accept those invites (assuming a certain minimum eligibility requirement is achieved) and approach them that way.
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william said:

Crawfoso1973 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016



Oh so the second round then….. that seems to be his round.

We went 38 years (from 1950 to 1988) with no tournament appearances. Then we went another 20 year stretch (1988 to 2008) with no tournament appearances. During these decades of futility, any appearance in the 2nd round would've been celebrated as a huge success.

While this season has been hugely disappointing and the previous 2 seasons where we were eliminated in the 2nd round were relatively disappointing, zoom out a little bit. As fans we all need to back off the ledge a little bit and gain a a little perspective...myself included. I personally witnessed the futility of the Harry Miller and Dave Bliss teams. How quickly we all become spoiled and forget how far CSD has elevated our program.



Is that former Memphis State star Elliot Perry? What's the significance?
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Art_E_Guinn said:

william said:

Crawfoso1973 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

Another tournament for Drew to get bounced in the first round smh

Drew hasn't been bounced from the first round of any tournament since 2016



Oh so the second round then….. that seems to be his round.

We went 38 years (from 1950 to 1988) with no tournament appearances. Then we went another 20 year stretch (1988 to 2008) with no tournament appearances. During these decades of futility, any appearance in the 2nd round would've been celebrated as a huge success.

While this season has been hugely disappointing and the previous 2 seasons where we were eliminated in the 2nd round were relatively disappointing, zoom out a little bit. As fans we all need to back off the ledge a little bit and gain a a little perspective...myself included. I personally witnessed the futility of the Harry Miller and Dave Bliss teams. How quickly we all become spoiled and forget how far CSD has elevated our program.



Is that former Memphis State star Elliot Perry? What's the significance?

BU v MSU - the first NCAA game for us in a while.

Micheal Williams led BU team. He had a nice NBA career.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willimi02.html

- UF

I remember hanging out at the Radio Shack in the Plaza of the Americas watching it....

Waaaaaaaay back when.

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Stefano DiMera said:

As I posted on like the 2nd or 3rd post on this thread ...there is no more strata or.level of postseason tournament anymore after the NCAA.


We didn't 'miss' qualifying for the NIT.

We are in a Power 4 conference that has a quasi agreement now with The Crown.



Where is our NIT invite? I must have missed the fact that we declined the invite like OU did.

Hence we missed qualifying for it. They chose not to select us as a team.
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BULiferBB said:

I DO understand that you only get paid for 1st-4th place.
What I was trying to say was it does not cost Baylor anything.
There is an article out that is about why OU chose the Crown OVER NIT.
So it is not necessarily a bad tournament.
NO, it is not the NCAA but I'm still going to watch and I'm still going to be happy to do so.



Does not cost Baylor anything? We still have travel, hotel, food, etc costs. And if we lose we get nothing.
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Big12Bear said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

bear2be2 said:

cowboycwr said:

Funny how some of the ones arguing we did not deserve a bowl seem to love this idea of playing in some random tournament below the NIT, CBI and whatever the other tournaments were/are that no one knows even exist. I bet some of the ones celebrating this tournament hadn't heard of it until today.

Literally no one is celebrating this tournament. but it's not below the CBI, and the suggestion that it is just shows your own ignorance.

The College Basketball Crown, like the Players Era Festival we played in earlier this season, is an NIL tournament that pays players directly. As such, it is at worst on a level playing field with the NIT and will likely be the preferred destination for most programs.

And the difference between this and the football situation is we didn't need a bunch of teams to decline this to get offered. We're not accepting charity by accepting this invite.



Lol. There are a bunch of people celebrating it. Just like you.

Bragging about how it will pay our players (who will still probably jump ship).

This is exactly like the football situation. We needed 68 teams to make the tournament, 32 to make the NIT and THEN we are invited to this afterthought of a tournament. So whoever wins this tournament can brag about being the 101best team in the country……

Because let's be real. Besides the main tournament no one remembers who wins these other ones. NIT, CBI, the crown, blah blah blah. If your team isn't the one winning it people don't know and don't care.

So yeah the only one showing ignorance is you.


No one is bragging about anything, doofus. Everyone understands exactly what this tournament is, and no one is celebrating it.

But to say this is exactly like the football situation is just stupid. This tournament is the equivalent of a low-level bowl game, and we qualified for it on our merit. Our football team failed to reach bowl eligibility and rightly declined an opportunity it didn't earn.

This tournament is what it is. It's a consolation prize for a bunch of NCAA tournament rejects. But our team and its resume fit right in with the rest of the field. Our football team would have been accepting charity to play in any bowl game at 5-7.



Lol. We have a resume that puts us in competition for the 101st best team in the nation!! Yay!!!!!


Charity. Just like football situation.

Our football team literally wasn't bowl eligible. The difference in situations is explicitly laid out in the language.

But why are you even here pretending to be a basketball fan in the first place? You have six posts on this board all season, and they're all in this thread.



Then we didn't have a good enough record for the second tier tournament. So out of the teams LEFT after the top 100 went to those two tournaments we were deemed good enough for this tournament.


That's not true at all. You clearly don't understand how any of this works, or the criteria for selection. And you're looking like a complete ****** on this thread in general.


LOL. I am looking like that?????


Yeah ok. Tough words from an internet tough guy hiding behind his keyboard trying to defend his 101st place team.

There are 68 teams selected for the tournament. We were not one of them. So we are not better than any of those teams.

There are 32 teams selected for the NIT. We were not one of them. Thus they are better than us.

So we are now one of the teams fighting for "the crown." Lol. A made up tournament that probably wont be around in 5 years.

If anything I said is wrong please post factual evidence disprove it instead of name calling. You can't because it dos not exist unlike my factual evidence presented here.
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If we win this tournament we should get an automatic spot in the ncaa tournament.
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cowboycwr said:


There are 68 teams selected for the tournament. We were not one of them. So we are not better than any of those teams.

There are 32 teams selected for the NIT. We were not one of them. Thus they are better than us.

2nd graders logic. I can't believe that not only do you think that's true, but actually posted it out here so everyone can see that you actually believe its true. How embarrassing.
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Simply Google 'NIT selection criteria ' to help you understand what people are trying to explain to you in this thread.
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ScottS said:

If we win this tournament we should get an automatic spot in the ncaa tournament.

... or the complete Les Feldick video series for the team Bible Study library.

- UF

D!

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william said:

ScottS said:

If we win this tournament we should get an automatic spot in the ncaa tournament.

... or the complete Les Feldick video series for the team Bible Study library.

- UF

D!



I wonder if he ever got into a fight with J Vernon McGee.

Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
 
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