It is decided then.
We shall call it "The Habitat."
:-)
We shall call it "The Habitat."
:-)
"We pay players." -- Dave Aranda
Not yourrre ... av-er-age arena ...BearPa said:
Jellystone.
So we can use the Arena as a recruiting tool to fire the coach and hire one that can.Timbear said:
Why waste $ on a new Arena when we can't beat low level teams?
Like The Den !DubDub said:
I think it would be hard to find something better than the den, or maybe the cave.
I am going to miss the nipple though. I thought it looked great while driving down university park and from aerial shots.
I also always liked it from the inside. It wa just the concourses that need major work.
Hmmm.Minerbear said:
If you don't know about "the pit" or the New Mexico lobos you need a refresher course in college hoops!! That's a very tough place to play! And their fans put Baylor fans to shame !
Men's basketball is not big in Waco. Not know and never has been.Timbear said:
Why waste $ on a new Arena when we can't beat low level teams?
we get it Douglas you and Mulkey are stuck in the past and have no vision. Leave this decision to the adults.Doug said:Men's basketball is not big in Waco. Not know and never has been.Timbear said:
Why waste $ on a new Arena when we can't beat low level teams?
High school games draw 200 on the average night.
The building will not change that.
Unless the BBF is hiding something, the interest is just not gaining traction.
I strongly suspect my Women's tickets will be in the Ferrell Center 5 years from now.
hahahahahaTimbear said:
Why waste $ on a new Arena when we can't beat low level teams?
Mulkey wins Conference and National titles in the Ferrell Center.Fozzie said:we get it Douglas you and Mulkey are stuck in the past and have no vision. Leave this decision to the adults.Doug said:Men's basketball is not big in Waco. Not know and never has been.Timbear said:
Why waste $ on a new Arena when we can't beat low level teams?
High school games draw 200 on the average night.
The building will not change that.
Unless the BBF is hiding something, the interest is just not gaining traction.
I strongly suspect my Women's tickets will be in the Ferrell Center 5 years from now.
Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
And it galls you that not a dime of that women's basketball money can be touched. It is "Ear Marked" givings that are marked Women's Basketball. Booster Club and Excellence Funds for women's basketball keep the program where it is. Your big problem is that the men's supporters don't give.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
This is why I love this board, it exposes me to "the other side." I am part of the 99% who are immensely proud of the Lady Bear achievements but even though we have watched a few games just can't get into that style of ball. I love what coach Drew has done here at Baylor. When I become wealthy enough I will be happy to donate to Baylor Basketball...but I couldn't imagine marking it for Men's or Women's only. How insane. But I guess to each their own.Doug said:And it galls you that not a dime of that women's basketball money can be touched. It is "Ear Marked" givings that are marked Women's Basketball. Booster Club and Excellence Funds for women's basketball keep the program where it is. Your big problem is that the men's supporters don't give.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
The vast majority of Mens basketball interest comes from the Greater Dallas area. Professional basketball has kindled an interest in the sport among predominantly 25-45 year old fans in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. If big strides are to be realized, the Metroplex fans will need to step up and become the cash cow for his program.CSIBear said:This is why I love this board, it exposes me to "the other side." I am part of the 99% who are immensely proud of the Lady Bear achievements but even though we have watched a few games just can't get into that style of ball. I love what coach Drew has done here at Baylor. When I become wealthy enough I will be happy to donate to Baylor Basketball...but I couldn't imagine marking it for Men's or Women's only. How insane. But I guess to each theirDoug said:And it galls you that not a dime of that women's basketball money can be touched. It is "Ear Marked" givings that are marked Women's Basketball. Booster Club and Excellence Funds for women's basketball keep the program where it is. Your big problem is that the men's supporters don't give.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
Maybe he can mention that prioritizing publicly, then we can have a full blown, pc, title IX eruption.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
At the risk of being screamed at, why do you bold everything?Doug said:The vast majority of Mens basketball interest comes from the Greater Dallas area. Professional basketball has kindled an interest in the sport among predominantly 25-45 year old fans in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. If big strides are to be realized, the Metroplex fans will need to step up and become the cash cow for his program.CSIBear said:This is why I love this board, it exposes me to "the other side." I am part of the 99% who are immensely proud of the Lady Bear achievements but even though we have watched a few games just can't get into that style of ball. I love what coach Drew has done here at Baylor. When I become wealthy enough I will be happy to donate to Baylor Basketball...but I couldn't imagine marking it for Men's or Women's only. How insane. But I guess to each theirDoug said:And it galls you that not a dime of that women's basketball money can be touched. It is "Ear Marked" givings that are marked Women's Basketball. Booster Club and Excellence Funds for women's basketball keep the program where it is. Your big problem is that the men's supporters don't give.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
You may not like it... but that's the way it is.
Something for you to ponder and digest. The majority of the posters here are male. Wealthy Alumni have wives. Women have ties to the checking accounts and LOVE women's basketball.
Women's athletics is here to stay. Baylor was extremely smart to get in on the ground floor to subsidize women's sports excellence. Excellence programs consist of money given to a specific sport. Kim has one of the best excellence programs in the nation. She has built an Excellence program that many are in envy of. The jealousy against her success is well documented.
I wondered the same thing. At least its not all caps, because that would totally change minds and heartspossible12 said:At the risk of being screamed at, why do you bold everything?Doug said:The vast majority of Mens basketball interest comes from the Greater Dallas area. Professional basketball has kindled an interest in the sport among predominantly 25-45 year old fans in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. If big strides are to be realized, the Metroplex fans will need to step up and become the cash cow for his program.CSIBear said:This is why I love this board, it exposes me to "the other side." I am part of the 99% who are immensely proud of the Lady Bear achievements but even though we have watched a few games just can't get into that style of ball. I love what coach Drew has done here at Baylor. When I become wealthy enough I will be happy to donate to Baylor Basketball...but I couldn't imagine marking it for Men's or Women's only. How insane. But I guess to each theirDoug said:And it galls you that not a dime of that women's basketball money can be touched. It is "Ear Marked" givings that are marked Women's Basketball. Booster Club and Excellence Funds for women's basketball keep the program where it is. Your big problem is that the men's supporters don't give.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
AIf Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.
You may not like it... but that's the way it is.
Something for you to ponder and digest. The majority of the posters here are male. Wealthy Alumni have wives. Women have ties to the checking accounts and LOVE women's basketball.
Women's athletics is here to stay. Baylor was extremely smart to get in on the ground floor to subsidize women's sports excellence. Excellence programs consist of money given to a specific sport. Kim has one of the best excellence programs in the nation. She has built an Excellence program that many are in envy of. The jealousy against her success is well documented.
In the last 15 years, there has been only one season in which Kansas did not win the conference regular season title (or at least a share of the title).Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
Michibear said:In the last 15 years, there has been only one season in which Kansas did not win the conference regular season title (or at least a share of the title).Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
2002 - Kansas
2003 - Kansas
2004 - Oklahoma State
2005 - Kansas / Oklahoma
2006 - Kansas / Texas
2007 - Kansas
2008 - Kansas / Texas
2009 - Kansas
2010 - Kansas
2011 - Kansas
2012 - Kansas
2013 - Kansas State / Kansas
2014 - Kansas
2015 - Kansas
2016 - Kansas
2017 - Kansas
2018 - Kansas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_12_Conference_champions
Hi Chibears2,Chibears2 said:
Not sure how many here know it, but the Ferrell has an exact twin in Hawaii... Designed by same guy, same plan.
This. It looks like a greenhouse. Baylor is green. I like it alot.Malbec said:
The GreenHouse
I'm always amazed when women's basketball fans try to act like there is any comparison between the two sports. Everytime someone tries to compare Geno's UConn streak to Wooden's 88 consecutive I cringe. There are literally 8 women's teams capable of winning a natty each year and they beat every other team by 30+.Fozzie said:critical thinking is not your strong suit, I fully understand.Doug said:Exactly. If you can't win it all in 15 years.... you never will.xiledinok said:
If Baylor uses it as an opportunity to have a corporate sponsor like they absolutely should, the nickname should come from the sponsor.
The current facility is not an excuse for the men to not make the tournament. Our coach is still looking for his breakout conference championship. It gets harder to sell his program each new season. A decade and a half is a good sample size for the stat guys.
Extremely nice guy.. yes.
Award winning coach... NO.
Reaching the Round of 8 is more luck of the Bracket, than being elite.
Only Basketball loyalist get excited about Scott Drew Basketball.
The butts in the seats prove it.
About 10 teams are trying to win in WBB. You can celebrate the 2nd highest paid coach in her sport with a bloated budget that spends money like a shopaholic on Black Friday, making the Elite 8 each year only to get bounced by some 3 point shooting team if you want.
In MBB, we have 350 teams trying hard to win. Certainly every P5 school is putting significant resources towards that end. Drew is 48 and in his coaching prime and has already proven himself as a winner during the learning years. Give him a new fieldhouse and an evolving roster that places emphasis on 3 pt shooting (Drew understands the game is evolving and changed his roster accordingly), there is no telling what he could do in his prime. Perhaps stumble into a national title like a Jay Wright.
The men do outdraw the women by the way. I root for both teams to do well. But hopefully our AD is prioritizing the men and football because those two sports are the only ones that matter financially.