Married A Horn said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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Parse it out and tell me which part is wrong. Until then, I'm going to keep reminding you of your scumbag messiah's treason until it sinks in.

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But we see now that accusation was merely a campaign tactic by Hillary Clinton. Why you would continue to embarrass yourself in the face of mountains of evidence is baffling.

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Hillary caught Trump's campaign manager dealing with a Russian spy? Huh, all this time I thought it was Mueller. Either way, Trump's campaign manager was caught dealing with a Russian spy, and that's not going away.

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Nope. The Steele dossier was fabricated by a foreign agent who was paid by the Hillary campaign to do so. Now, thanks to this latest revelation, we know she was also attempting to create digital links between Trump and Russia through hackers. The facts are simply not on your side.

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As I told my kids, correctly, yesterday - you will never get a liberal to admit anything. .

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HuMcK said:

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So far the arguments against the concrete facts I posted consist of "lol" and "nope". And y'all wonder why you're a laughingstock...

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timetraveler said:

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I can't believe a president is so incompetent as to allow decrypted DNS as an option on his networks.

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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HuMcK said:

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Parse it out and tell me which part is wrong. Until then, I'm going to keep reminding you of your scumbag messiah's treason until it sinks in.

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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Wangchung said:

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HuMcK said:

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Parse it out and tell me which part is wrong. Until then, I'm going to keep reminding you of your scumbag messiah's treason until it sinks in.

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But we see now that accusation was merely a campaign tactic by Hillary Clinton. Why you would continue to embarrass yourself in the face of mountains of evidence is baffling.

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Hillary caught Trump's campaign manager dealing with a Russian spy? Huh, all this time I thought it was Mueller. Either way, Trump's campaign manager was caught dealing with a Russian spy, and that's not going away.

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Nope. The Steele dossier was fabricated by a foreign agent who was paid by the Hillary campaign to do so. Now, thanks to this latest revelation, we know she was also attempting to create digital links between Trump and Russia through hackers. The facts are simply not on your side.

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timetraveler said:

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I can't believe a president is so incompetent as to allow decrypted DNS as an option on his networks.

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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I can't believe a president is so incompetent as to allow decrypted DNS as an option on his networks.

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He should have had private, secret servers in his basement, right?

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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HuMcK said:

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4th and Inches said:

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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but at least trump ran the country better than basement dummy and the woke morons now in power.

Both sides are corrupt, both sides are full of criminals, both sides care little for the common man.. Trump was different, his vision for America was strongly different and he created this populist movement that is scaring the begezus out of establishment folks like you.

Have fun in the 22 mid terms!

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I'm sorry, but if you think Trump cares about you, or anyone but himself, then you're a bigger dupe than I thought. At this point the only reason Trump wants power again is because it's the most effective way to defend himself from the grand juries currently taking residence up his ass.

Populism isn't the problem, it's the construction of an entire alternate reality propaganda system for the must intellectually vulnerable in this country to get lost in. That's how you end up banning books and censoring speech through legislation, while simultaneously pretending to be champions of free speech without a hint of irony.

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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Johnny Bear said:

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Rawhide said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Durham, there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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Russia Russia Russia!! lol

It's over. Gov't wasted millions of dollars on a BS investigation.

Time to move on humckleberry. You picked a weird mountain to die on.

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HuMck reminds me of one of the nuts that believes the moon landings were staged or the Holocaust never really happened. Ignore actual evidence and facts - I've got my narrative and I'm sticking to it!!

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HuMcK said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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Actually Trump didn't get caught … despite years of Gov and media "investigation." And now you've negotiated down to others on his team having "suspicious" contacts. I guess I'll grant you that if you grant what Hillary and others did was 100 times worse.

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That second paragraph was aimed at your laughable spin on the subject, btw. "Long time client", lol. Ask yourself how someone who had longstanding relationships with Russian spies ended up working as Trump's campaign manager for free, while the Russians were coincidentally hacking the DNC servers. The Senate Intel Committee report actually went a step further and insinuated that Kilimnik had some involvement in the hacks themselves. And that Russian lawyer "no one has heard of" (as if that is somehow a valid defense, lol) is an officially sanctioned Russian agent.

And no, Hillary commissioning an investigation into Trump is not somehow worse than Trump's agents coordinating with Russian agents, but your contrary belief is a good example of that alternate reality I was talking about. If what Hillary did was wrong, did you ever stop to think what that implies about what Trump/Giuliani did to Hunter Biden (which, coincidentally, again put them in contact with sanctioned Russian agents)?

Never forget, when a Russian billionaire's lackey representative explained his offer of assistance to Don Jr thusly: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump", instead of going to US authorities Jr replied "I love it". Those emails literally spell it out for you in black and white, they accepted campaign help from the Russian government, but your partisan blinders won't let you see it.

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HuMcK said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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Actually Trump didn't get caught … despite years of Gov and media "investigation." And now you've negotiated down to others on his team having "suspicious" contacts. I guess I'll grant you that if you grant what Hillary and others did was 100 times worse.

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That second paragraph was aimed at your laughable spin on the subject, btw. "Long time client", lol. Ask yourself how someone who had longstanding relationships with Russian spies ended up working as Trump's campaign manager for free, while the Russians were coincidentally hacking the DNC servers. The Senate Intel Committee report actually went a step further and insinuated that Kilimnik had some involvement in the hacks themselves. And that Russian lawyer "no one has heard of" (as if that is somehow a valid defense, lol) is an officially sanctioned Russian agent.

And no, Hillary commissioning an investigation into Trump is not somehow worse than Trump's agents coordinating with Russian agents, but your contrary belief is a good example of that alternate reality I was talking about. If what Hillary did was wrong, did you ever stop to think what that implies about what Trump/Giuliani did to Hunter Biden (which, coincidentally, again put them in contact with sanctioned Russian agents)?

Never forget, when a Russian billionaire's lackey representative explained his offer of assistance to Don Jr thusly: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump", instead of going to US authorities Jr replied "I love it". Those emails literally spell it out for you in black and white, they accepted campaign help from the Russian government, but your partisan blinders won't let you see it.

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Married A Horn said:

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Another thing my kids asked was how many liberals would 'change' (admit they were wrong). I said absolutely zero. They arent disappointed one of their leaders committed treason, they are disappointed they got caught. Told them the phrase 'the end justifies the means' is everything to a liberal. That they would just find a way to blame trump or accuse him of other stuff.

...and sure enough.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Pretty amazing story. It will be more amazing watching how it gets memory holed by the authoritarian media and spun. Virtually everything it accused Trump of doing actually was a function of the left.

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HuMcK said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Married A Horn said:

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So, legit question here...

This has to go through Biden's administration for prosecution, right?

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First thing to realize is, despite the (deliberately) inflammatory language used by Kash Patel (not Durham), there is no crime being alleged regarding the DNS lookups (characterized as an "infiltration", lol).

What could have been criminal is if Sussman lied to FBI/CIA about his source for the DNS info, but that brings me to the next realization: the statute of limitations for charging those lies ran out just 2 days before this filing. In other words, Durham is subtly letting us know he's not charging anything to do with that meeting, and the only value he sees in the info is dropping it in an unrelated filing to generate the kind of headlines that gets the Trumpies who aren't sophisticated enough to know any better riled up.

In the end it doesn't change what was uncovered: Trump's campaign manager got caught having clandestine meetings with a Russian intelligence agent so they could share internal info and coordinate strategies, plus Trump's son accepted an explicit offer of assistance against Hillary from the Russian government, among many other things. And that's only dealing with 2016, in 2020 Giuliani got caught dealing with yet another officially sanctioned Russian agent in his quest to manufacture some Ukrainian dirt against Hunter Biden. Wild how a Russian crawls out from under just about any rock you turn over with these Trump people.

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C'mon man . . . . Manafort giving a long time client polling info that became public the next day is collusion? Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer who even according to NYT was "not well known in Russia?" What the Clinton campaign did was 100 times worse, paying a fraud to go to Russia for dirt on Trump. You need to move on. Jan 6 is much more fertile ground.

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It's not just that his epistemology is comically wrong each of those things in bold, it's that he so fervently believes what he's saying that it's impossible for him to perceive it any other way.

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Parts in bold are not what I "perceive", they are objective interpretations of the available evidence. I'm sorry the facts trigger you people so much. I really dont understand why it's so hard to admit: Trump got caught, he personally has a bare minimum of plausible deniability but it is fact that members of his campaign had extremely suspicious contacts with Russian intelligence while the Russians were working to help his campaign against Hillary. Even Trump's own intel agencies were forces to admit as much a long time ago.

This song and dance is tiresome. I post some facts or some primary source, the Trumpers here flat out ignore it then declare "see, I told you no evidence!". But the result stays the same: you are shilling for a pack of unrepentant criminals, for whom no tactic is too low down if it means they might obtain power. If not for some corrupt pardons, basically all of the 2016 Trump campaign leadership group would be sitting in prison right now...

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