Fre3dombear said:
JXL said:
Fre3dombear said:
ATL Bear said:
UTExan said:
This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.
It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free
And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.
Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped
Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.
Not a chance in hell. So the north was Uber religious now all the sudden and for the righteousness of God wanted to save enslaved blacks in the south to be spat upon for generations later?
It's a nice spin. But like most things from the left socialists just made up drivel
Sorry, this is exactly what happened. The fact that the North (more precisely, Western New York) was "Uber religious all of a sudden" should be obvious from the facts that (1) the movement was called the Second Great Awakening and (2) the area was called the Burned-Over District because it had been "burned over" by the fire of religious revival.
Your notion that this is an idea of "left socialists" is even more hilarious - in case you've missed it, the "left socialists" are trying to erase religion entirely from American history, and the last thing they would want would be to credit Christians for anything, much less the anti-slavery movement.
But if you still don't believe it, tell me - what do you think motivated people to leave their homes and families in upstate New York, far from the fighting, and enlist in the Union Army?