About That Alleged Racial Incident at the BYU-Duke Match

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D. C. Bear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Seriously....she said her black teammates were also subjected to non-stop racial harassment.

NONE of them have spoken up to back up that claim?
None of the Duke players standing feet from the BYU students have said anything??


I haven't seen a single bit of evidence to support the claim that she was subjected to "non-stop racial harassment," or any racial harassment at all.

Media jumped on it like a chicken on a June bug. Too bad they will likely not be punished for it.
They are never punished for it, as racist politicians aren't either.

They run from false flag to false flag and they are never called out for it.

So why should it end? It is their business, and business is good.
D. C. Bear
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

D. C. Bear said:

Jack Bauer said:

Seriously....she said her black teammates were also subjected to non-stop racial harassment.

NONE of them have spoken up to back up that claim?
None of the Duke players standing feet from the BYU students have said anything??


I haven't seen a single bit of evidence to support the claim that she was subjected to "non-stop racial harassment," or any racial harassment at all.

Media jumped on it like a chicken on a June bug. Too bad they will likely not be punished for it.
They are never punished for it, as racist politicians aren't either.

They run from false flag to false flag and they are never called out for it.

So why should it end? It is their business, and business is good.


Business is not nearly as good for media companies as it was when journalists had ethical principles. As profits declined, so did ethics.
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Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.
Fre3dombear
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JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Not a chance in hell. So the north was Uber religious now all the sudden and for the righteousness of God wanted to save enslaved blacks in the south to be spat upon for generations later?

It's a nice spin. But like most things from the left socialists just made up drivel
Redbrickbear
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JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.
JXL
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Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.


The Second Great Awakening had nothing to do with the Mormons.
JXL
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Fre3dombear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Not a chance in hell. So the north was Uber religious now all the sudden and for the righteousness of God wanted to save enslaved blacks in the south to be spat upon for generations later?

It's a nice spin. But like most things from the left socialists just made up drivel



Sorry, this is exactly what happened. The fact that the North (more precisely, Western New York) was "Uber religious all of a sudden" should be obvious from the facts that (1) the movement was called the Second Great Awakening and (2) the area was called the Burned-Over District because it had been "burned over" by the fire of religious revival.

Your notion that this is an idea of "left socialists" is even more hilarious - in case you've missed it, the "left socialists" are trying to erase religion entirely from American history, and the last thing they would want would be to credit Christians for anything, much less the anti-slavery movement.

But if you still don't believe it, tell me - what do you think motivated people to leave their homes and families in upstate New York, far from the fighting, and enlist in the Union Army?
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J.B.Katz said:

PartyBear said:

Y'all are joking right? The incident occurred in front of everyone there. They spoke to the person and the person has been banned from athletic events.
I'm reporting this thread to Baylor.

This level of racism anbd fact-denial should not be permitted on a site with any affiliation with Baylor, and this thread should be deleted by the site mods.

The governor of Utah acknowledged and apologized for this incident.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2022-08-28/byu-bans-a-fan-who-yelled-a-racist-slur-at-a-black-volleyball-player-on-dukes-team

Oops....Governor retracts his statement, will you? How's the meeting with President Livingstone coming along?


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"Personal research' - wow, is Dawn Stalely a PI?

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She's so full of ****
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Wangchung said:

cowboycwr said:

Wangchung said:

It's odd to see one side provide direct quotes from the men in charge at the time and be answered with middle school level historical talking points, and then attempts to say any discussion that is short of full agreement is signs that person is a racist. "You don't agree with what my junior high gym coach taught me in history?!? YOURE RACIST!"

BID
Quotes don't prove anything.

People say things all the time.... like the claim that started this thread.

Can I then provide that quote the Duke player made as "evidence"????

No because it was just words. The facts stand for themselves.

Sorry but ANYONE that defends slavery or the south fighting to keep slavery is racist. plain and simple. That isn't calling names. It is stating facts.


Nah, it's just the race card in effort to avoid losing the discussion. Period.


Calling someone racist that is truly acting racist is not playing the race card.

Jack Bauer
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The race pimps so disappointed that out of 5,000 white people, they can't get ONE to shout the n-word.


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J.B.Katz said:

PartyBear said:

Y'all are joking right? The incident occurred in front of everyone there. They spoke to the person and the person has been banned from athletic events.
I'm reporting this thread to Baylor.

This level of racism anbd fact-denial should not be permitted on a site with any affiliation with Baylor, and this thread should be deleted by the site mods.

The governor of Utah acknowledged and apologized for this incident.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2022-08-28/byu-bans-a-fan-who-yelled-a-racist-slur-at-a-black-volleyball-player-on-dukes-team


Well this comment didn't age well.
How do you feel about your "fact denial" now?

You are just too dumb to be allowed on this site.
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Jack Bauer said:

"Personal research' - wow, is Dawn Stalely a PI?




But wokies have been clear - truth, science, reason, facts all are subservient to their "lived experience." If I think a dude with a horse cock is a woman then zhey's a woman and can have children science be damned.
Redbrickbear
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JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.


The Second Great Awakening had nothing to do with the Mormons.
[The Second Great Awakening, Camp Meetings, and Mormonism as large numbers of Americans moved west, less churches and ministers to fill pulpits camp…]

[Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening, a time of religious revival in the United States. As a class, find out more about the religious movements that appeared during these decades by...]

[During the Second Great Awakening the Mormon Church experienced rapid growth while settling the Missouri frontier. The Mormons experienced ten years of conflict with the citizens of Missouri as they were persecuted for their religious beliefs and practices.]

https://www.pbs.org/mormons/tguide/

https://prezi.com/itoif9wdi2ju/the-second-great-awakening-camp-meetings-and-mormonism/

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/history_theses/78/

https://prezi.com/-mrzyhhrxcph/second-great-awakening-and-mormons/
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There are some folks who simply hate Mormons and BYU.

They will take any opportunity to throw some **** at them regardless of the realities involved.





Been this way for a very long time .
JXL
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Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.


The Second Great Awakening had nothing to do with the Mormons.
[The Second Great Awakening, Camp Meetings, and Mormonism as large numbers of Americans moved west, less churches and ministers to fill pulpits camp…]

[Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening, a time of religious revival in the United States. As a class, find out more about the religious movements that appeared during these decades by...]

[During the Second Great Awakening the Mormon Church experienced rapid growth while settling the Missouri frontier. The Mormons experienced ten years of conflict with the citizens of Missouri as they were persecuted for their religious beliefs and practices.]

https://www.pbs.org/mormons/tguide/

https://prezi.com/itoif9wdi2ju/the-second-great-awakening-camp-meetings-and-mormonism/

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/history_theses/78/

https://prezi.com/-mrzyhhrxcph/second-great-awakening-and-mormons/


Correct, Mormonism arose at the same time as the Second Great Awakening, and may have piggybacked to some extent on the general feeling of religious fervor. The Second Great Awakening itself, as preached by people like Charles Finney, had nothing to do with Mormonism.
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Dawn Staley should unveil the methods and findings of her "personal research".

After all, if what she found was compelling enough that she felt her team would still be "unsafe", then doesn't that behoove her to share that information with the public? Isn't it important for the public to see the real, present danger of racism in our country? What methodologies did SHE use, that BYU and Duke officials missed? Shouldn't that be immediately shared? Wouldn't she be endangering all the black players in all the other teams BYU will play, if she just keeps this information to herself? Why isn't the media ASKING HER these things?
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It would be nice if every team scheduled to play South Carolina would cancel their games.
Redbrickbear
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JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.


The Second Great Awakening had nothing to do with the Mormons.
[The Second Great Awakening, Camp Meetings, and Mormonism as large numbers of Americans moved west, less churches and ministers to fill pulpits camp…]

[Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening, a time of religious revival in the United States. As a class, find out more about the religious movements that appeared during these decades by...]

[During the Second Great Awakening the Mormon Church experienced rapid growth while settling the Missouri frontier. The Mormons experienced ten years of conflict with the citizens of Missouri as they were persecuted for their religious beliefs and practices.]

https://www.pbs.org/mormons/tguide/

https://prezi.com/itoif9wdi2ju/the-second-great-awakening-camp-meetings-and-mormonism/

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/history_theses/78/

https://prezi.com/-mrzyhhrxcph/second-great-awakening-and-mormons/


Correct, Mormonism arose at the same time as the Second Great Awakening, and may have piggybacked to some extent on the general feeling of religious fervor. The Second Great Awakening itself, as preached by people like Charles Finney, had nothing to do with Mormonism.


Mormonism came out of the 2nd great awakening..and was born in up state New York.

Do accept or deny this?
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Dawn Staley should unveil the methods and findings of her "personal research".

After all, if what she found was compelling enough that she felt her team would still be "unsafe", then doesn't that behoove her to share that information with the public? Isn't it important for the public to see the real, present danger of racism in our country? What methodologies did SHE use, that BYU and Duke officials missed? Shouldn't that be immediately shared? Wouldn't she be endangering all the black players in all the other teams BYU will play, if she just keeps this information to herself? Why isn't the media ASKING HER these things?



Race hustlers don't use facts & information... they manufacture them.
Reference Tawana Brawley for example... or Duke LaCrosse.
This girl and her godmother deserve jail time for this bull ****
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Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Redbrickbear said:

JXL said:

Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped


Why would that be "amazing" for people to believe that? In the Burned-Over District of Western New York, that's exactly what people did. The Second Great Awakening inspired religious fervor against slavery.


Mormons are the most successful and largest religious group to come from the burned over district of New York.

And yet they believed black skin was the curse of Cain. And would not let blacks join their church or have the power of the Priesthood until 1978.


The Second Great Awakening had nothing to do with the Mormons.
[The Second Great Awakening, Camp Meetings, and Mormonism as large numbers of Americans moved west, less churches and ministers to fill pulpits camp…]

[Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening, a time of religious revival in the United States. As a class, find out more about the religious movements that appeared during these decades by...]

[During the Second Great Awakening the Mormon Church experienced rapid growth while settling the Missouri frontier. The Mormons experienced ten years of conflict with the citizens of Missouri as they were persecuted for their religious beliefs and practices.]

https://www.pbs.org/mormons/tguide/

https://prezi.com/itoif9wdi2ju/the-second-great-awakening-camp-meetings-and-mormonism/

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/history_theses/78/

https://prezi.com/-mrzyhhrxcph/second-great-awakening-and-mormons/


Correct, Mormonism arose at the same time as the Second Great Awakening, and may have piggybacked to some extent on the general feeling of religious fervor. The Second Great Awakening itself, as preached by people like Charles Finney, had nothing to do with Mormonism.


Mormonism came out of the 2nd great awakening..and was born in up state New York.

Do accept or deny this?
Mormonism did come about at the same time as the Second Great Awakening, but it had nothing to do with the anti slavery sentiment that was driven by the Second Great Awakening. One might also note that it was that kind of sentiment that led south to believe, rightly, that their ability to own other people like one would own livestock was threatened.
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J.B.Katz said:

PartyBear said:

Y'all are joking right? The incident occurred in front of everyone there. They spoke to the person and the person has been banned from athletic events.
I'm reporting this thread to Baylor.

This level of racism anbd fact-denial should not be permitted on a site with any affiliation with Baylor, and this thread should be deleted by the site mods.

scroll to the botttom of the site and read please.


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ShooterTX said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Dawn Staley should unveil the methods and findings of her "personal research".

After all, if what she found was compelling enough that she felt her team would still be "unsafe", then doesn't that behoove her to share that information with the public? Isn't it important for the public to see the real, present danger of racism in our country? What methodologies did SHE use, that BYU and Duke officials missed? Shouldn't that be immediately shared? Wouldn't she be endangering all the black players in all the other teams BYU will play, if she just keeps this information to herself? Why isn't the media ASKING HER these things?



Race hustlers Authoritarian leftists don't use facts & information... they manufacture them.
Reference Tawana Brawley, Russian Hoax, Covington kids, Juicy Smalls, LeBron, black church burnings, Russian pee hookers, WWII memorial, overdue library books for example... or Duke LaCrosse.
This girl and her godmother deserve jail time for this bull ****
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Way over half of this bs thread has nothing to do with this specific incident. How dumb of me to check for any real info except partisan history lessons from bot like basement b-shtters debating. cheap content because there is none.
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possible12 said:

Way over half of this bs thread has nothing to do with this specific incident. How dumb of me to check for any real info except partisan history lessons from bot like basement b-shtters debating. cheap content because there is none.
This specific incident was a racial based fabrication that's becoming more and more common.
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possible12 said:

Way over half of this bs thread has nothing to do with this specific incident. How dumb of me to check for any real info except partisan history lessons from bot like basement b-shtters debating. cheap content because there is none.


Let me help:
1. A Duke volleyball player made an accusation of racial harassment against BYU fans.

2. Lots of people in the "real" media and on social media and in public life and at the institutions involved jumped on the bandwagon with statements of support for the player and disgust for the harassment.

3. That support turned out to be premature as an extensive investigation including review of video and audio from the match and interviews with a wide variety individuals who were present revealed no evidence of any racial harassment.

There are a variety of other observations about the reactions of any variety of people that could also be made, but those are the basic facts.

While all of that information is contained in the thread above, I am a little surprised that you would click on a message board link looking for a succinct and objective news summary and nothing else.
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Fre3dombear said:

ATL Bear said:

UTExan said:

This thread has quickly evolved to the legitimacy of secession and apparently how those who desire to secede or be separate are somehow traitors despite their beliefs that they stand on principle. If we treated all persons desiring to secede as traitors, then we should have arrested and tried New Englanders during the War of 1812, because their commercial interests with England were threatened and they were prepared to leave the Union and return to England.
The same goes for the Mormons in 1858 who were prepared to wage long term guerilla warfare against the US Army as it entered the Utah territory.
What we really ought to be asking, IMO, is how do we move forward on race and create a truly inclusive society? If we do it by force and arbitrarily favor one group, we will see a backlash against that favoritism. Indeed, our Reconstruction period showed us the foolishness of that as Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens sought to make federal action openly discriminatory and punitive against the south. If we do it by socialization ( our churches, which ought to be leading this are an example ) we can make it work. But false accusations of racism and never holding race grifters to account only breeds resentment from those falsely accused and sets back the work of race reconciliation.
It isn't about secession. It's about the denialism of the primary reason for secession. The attempt to minimize slavery's role in it is comical, and the mental contortions necessary to present it otherwise are bizarre. Slavery was the South's economic interest. Slavery was its "States Right". Slavery was the reason for seceding.


It's amazing some people believe 18 and 19 year old men left their wives, kids, families and homes to die to make sure some nameless black person could be free

And of that were the case, the thanklessness of todays generations for those that died to help those that couldn't help themselves is appalling.

Interesting take on history though but great propaganda for the easily duped
Yes, freedom has never been something that has been fought for throughout history... And preserving a union is so not a faceless endeavor…. Name definitely doesn't check out.
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Jack Bauer said:

"Personal research' - wow, is Dawn Stalely a PI?


Dude she hired Shaft to get to the bottom of this, best PI on the planet.
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ShooterTX said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Dawn Staley should unveil the methods and findings of her "personal research".

After all, if what she found was compelling enough that she felt her team would still be "unsafe", then doesn't that behoove her to share that information with the public? Isn't it important for the public to see the real, present danger of racism in our country? What methodologies did SHE use, that BYU and Duke officials missed? Shouldn't that be immediately shared? Wouldn't she be endangering all the black players in all the other teams BYU will play, if she just keeps this information to herself? Why isn't the media ASKING HER these things?



Race hustlers don't use facts & information... they manufacture them.
Reference Tawana Brawley for example... or Duke LaCrosse.
This girl and her godmother deserve jail time for this bull ****
Honestly. looking at all the hate coming from the Godmother, it was continual and rediculous, I'm pretty sure that is the brains behind this operation.

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

ShooterTX said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Dawn Staley should unveil the methods and findings of her "personal research".

After all, if what she found was compelling enough that she felt her team would still be "unsafe", then doesn't that behoove her to share that information with the public? Isn't it important for the public to see the real, present danger of racism in our country? What methodologies did SHE use, that BYU and Duke officials missed? Shouldn't that be immediately shared? Wouldn't she be endangering all the black players in all the other teams BYU will play, if she just keeps this information to herself? Why isn't the media ASKING HER these things?



Race hustlers don't use facts & information... they manufacture them.
Reference Tawana Brawley for example... or Duke LaCrosse.
This girl and her godmother deserve jail time for this bull ****
Honestly. looking at all the hate coming from the Godmother, it was continual and rediculous, I'm pretty sure that is the brains behind this operation.


Brains.....doubtful.

Possibly the inspiration.
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Who surprised CNN had two struggle sessions over the weekend about an incident that did not occur? The Regime Media is so reliable.
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What the hell is this on CNN??

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Jack Bauer said:

What the hell is this on CNN??


The only next logical step after that would be:

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Wow, that's the best segment I have seen on CNN in many years. BYU couldn't have asked for more.
 
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