https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feint

If it had been Putin's intention to take Kiev, it would have happened.

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Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

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Nonsense. We sponsored a coup there in Maidan. NATO membership for Ukraine has been a constant Democrat/Neocon talking point.

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Some people act like Vladimir Putin woke up one morning in 2022 and decided to invade Ukraine for no reason. Whatever you think about him, he isn't an irrational risk taker.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feint

If it had been Putin's intention to take Kiev, it would have happened.

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Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

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Nonsense. We sponsored a coup there in Maidan. NATO membership for Ukraine has been a constant Democrat/Neocon talking point.

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Some people act like Vladimir Putin woke up one morning in 2022 and decided to invade Ukraine for no reason. Whatever you think about him, he isn't an irrational risk taker.

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The only nonsense is the pro-RU BS you're posting.

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong.

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It is laughably obvious. Failure to understand this is the root of NATO's failure in the counter-offensive.

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong.

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It is laughably obvious. Failure to understand this is the root of NATO's failure in the counter-offensive.

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No, it's quite wrong just like pretty much every pro-RU post you try to boost, vatnik.

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https://www.youtube.com/@Col.DouglasMacgregor

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lol at using Doug MacGregor as a source. He's a Russia/Putin fanboi

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Shooting the messenger is not the way to win a point. The guy is a retired US Army Colonel and a veteran Iraq commander. Specifically, which of his points do you disagree with?

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There's like 10 retired US Army Generals that comment on the situation all the time. I tend to listen to generals' assessments over a Colonel. Not to mention that Gen. mark Hertling was in charge of European command and has done/observed joint training sessions with both the Russian and Ukrainian military. He's actually been there and done that. He knows the nature of both militaries and countries. Meanwhile, MacGregor has been ostracized and is openly and outwardly a Putin fan, and only has a voice now because Fox decided it would be a good idea to trot his ideas out to public. Bad look, bad info, bad opinions

How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

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Typical substance-free response. Johnson never even claimed to know the guy, he just pulled the interview from Polish media like it says in the first paragraph.

Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

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Typical substance-free response. Johnson never even claimed to know the guy, he just pulled the interview from Polish media like it says in the first paragraph.

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Pull up the polish media report then

trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

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Typical substance-free response. Johnson never even claimed to know the guy, he just pulled the interview from Polish media like it says in the first paragraph.

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Pull up the polish media report then

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The source is in the link..."second largest online news source and one of the most quoted news media in the country," per Wikipedia.

Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

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Typical substance-free response. Johnson never even claimed to know the guy, he just pulled the interview from Polish media like it says in the first paragraph.

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Pull up the polish media report then

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The source is in the link..."second largest online news source and one of the most quoted news media in the country," per Wikipedia.

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So ... Sam cannot produce the actual report.

trey3216 said:

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There's like 10 retired US Army Generals that comment on the situation all the time. I tend to listen to generals' assessments over a Colonel. Not to mention that Gen. mark Hertling was in charge of European command and has done/observed joint training sessions with both the Russian and Ukrainian military. He's actually been there and done that. He knows the nature of both militaries and countries. Meanwhile, MacGregor has been ostracized and is openly and outwardly a Putin fan, and only has a voice now because Fox decided it would be a good idea to trot his ideas out to public. Bad look, bad info, bad opinions

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Retired Generals tend to be consultants for defense contractors. They often have a significant financial stake in what they promote and say. So I'd listen to what a Colonel who was a tank commander in Iraq over generals.

Dismissing anyone who doesn't automatically think this is 1975 as a Putin fanboi is silly.

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There's like 10 retired US Army Generals that comment on the situation all the time. I tend to listen to generals' assessments over a Colonel. Not to mention that Gen. mark Hertling was in charge of European command and has done/observed joint training sessions with both the Russian and Ukrainian military. He's actually been there and done that. He knows the nature of both militaries and countries. Meanwhile, MacGregor has been ostracized and is openly and outwardly a Putin fan, and only has a voice now because Fox decided it would be a good idea to trot his ideas out to public. Bad look, bad info, bad opinions

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Retired Generals tend to be consultants for defense contractors. They often have a significant financial stake in what they promote and say. So I'd listen to what a Colonel who was a tank commander in Iraq over generals.

Dismissing anyone who doesn't automatically think this is 1975 as a Putin fanboi is silly.

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You'll listen to whatever confirms your bias.

McGregor's predictions and assessments have been objectively wrong from the start, and always slanted in Russia's favor. Multiple times he said Russia was just days away from victory, which was wrong, and his assessment of Russian strategy being limited to just the eastbound Ukraine were already proven wrong by events on the ground before he even said it. No US military figure appearing on RT should be assigned any real credibility.

Realitybites said:

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trey3216 said:

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There's like 10 retired US Army Generals that comment on the situation all the time. I tend to listen to generals' assessments over a Colonel. Not to mention that Gen. mark Hertling was in charge of European command and has done/observed joint training sessions with both the Russian and Ukrainian military. He's actually been there and done that. He knows the nature of both militaries and countries. Meanwhile, MacGregor has been ostracized and is openly and outwardly a Putin fan, and only has a voice now because Fox decided it would be a good idea to trot his ideas out to public. Bad look, bad info, bad opinions

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Retired Generals tend to be consultants for defense contractors. They often have a significant financial stake in what they promote and say. So I'd listen to what a Colonel who was a tank commander in Iraq over generals.

Dismissing anyone who doesn't automatically think this is 1975 as a Putin fanboi is silly.

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your buddy is on Russia Today regularly. I'm not making accusations, I'm stating facts

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
2 September 2023
By Larry Johnson

Polish volunteer Slawomir Wysocki traveled to Ukraine, returned home and in an interview for the media told what is really happening with the counter-offensive, which is so publicized by the Ukrainian authorities.

"The human losses of the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment is burning like matches. Things are much worse than is commonly imagined. I counted the graves in Lviv. In the old part of the cemetery there are about 100 graves, in the new part there are more than 600.

In the villages this proportion is colossally different. When I drive by, I see cemeteries along the streets. Each has up to a dozen new graves. There are flags near each one, they are easy to recognize. There are more than two thousand graves in Kharkov. It is impossible to hide these losses.

Two months ago I was full of optimism about Kupyansk. Now we are still managing to hold our ground. It seems that the Russians are doing everything they can to reach Kupyansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive."

When asked by a journalist how Ukrainians feel about the Russian defense system, the Pole said:

"They are terrified. They know that the Russian army has already foreseen everything. The defense system was built by construction companies. This is not a peasant waving a shovel to build a trench. Companies came in, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four such lines. Ukrainians say that there are five mines per square meter. You can't put your foot on the ground without one of them exploding".

The journalist further asks, with this situation on the front and the growing losses, are there still people willing to fight? The volunteer replies:

"There are no willing ones. They are looking for them on the streets. In Lviv there are "round-ups", people are taken from construction sites, from bars. Recently I witnessed such a situation at the bus station in Lvov. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lvov.

Eight people were detained in this way. Many reasons for the current situation with mobilization originate in Bakhmut. It was such a plum, such a meat grinder that there was no one left to fight".

https://sonar21.com/how-bad-is-it-for-ukraine/

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Lol. Larry Johnson. Mr "bin Laden threat is overrated", the Brits wiretapped Trump! which even Fox had to walk back when they found that out to be false, and a host of other utterly false or hilariously incorrect statements/assessments. I'd bet $100 the Polish dude he "talked to" doesn't even exist.

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Typical substance-free response. Johnson never even claimed to know the guy, he just pulled the interview from Polish media like it says in the first paragraph.

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Pull up the polish media report then

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The source is in the link..."second largest online news source and one of the most quoted news media in the country," per Wikipedia.

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So ... Sam cannot produce the actual report.

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I've had it open in a browser tab since lunch time. I just want to see how long Trey keeps doubling down. Call it the Russian Strategy.

HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the stand insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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yep. And Ukraine is bringing on-line new domestic production of ammunition, advancing drone technology, etc..... Ukraine is getting stronger, while Russia is getting weaker.

Ukraine has maintained laser focus on interdicting Russian supply lines, and as a result, shortages of ammo & food & medicine are chronic in the Russian trenches. Russia, by contrast, has not spent much effort at all to do the same to Ukraine. EX: Russia is functionally out of smart weapons, and is having to use surface-air missiles as unguided rockets to hit Ukrainian urban areas. No aiming possible. Point & shoot. "Inexplicable" doesn't quite capture the magnitude of it. Incompetence is more like it. Meanwhile, Ukraine is using $2k drones to take out aircraft worth tens of millions of dollars.

Br'er Bear be snagged up in the briar patch...

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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He's right that Russia will go on the offensive. It's just a question of when.

whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the stand insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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yep. And Ukraine is bringing on-line new domestic production of ammunition, advancing drone technology, etc..... Ukraine is getting stronger, while Russia is getting weaker.

Ukraine has maintained laser focus on interdicting Russian supply lines, and as a result, shortages of ammo & food & medicine are chronic in the Russian trenches. Russia, by contrast, has not spent much effort at all to do the same to Ukraine. EX: Russia is functionally out of smart weapons, and is having to use surface-air missiles as unguided rockets to hit Ukrainian urban areas. No aiming possible. Point & shoot. "Inexplicable" doesn't quite capture the magnitude of it. Incompetence is more like it. Meanwhile, Ukraine is using $2k drones to take out aircraft worth tens of millions of dollars.

Br'er Bear be snagged up in the briar patch...

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This is fanciful even by your standards. There are videos of Russian smart weapons being used every day.

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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He's right that Russia will go on the offensive. It's just a question of when.

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They did in the winter to disastrous results, vatnik.

Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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He's right that Russia will go on the offensive. It's just a question of when.

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They did in the winter to disastrous results, vatnik.

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Both sides have failed to do jack squat.

Russian offensives go nowhere…if they even get off the ground…and they don't trust their conscripts to do much more than dig trench lines. They have to rely on ex-prisoners and mercenaries to take any towns.

Ukrainian offenses (paid for by US taxpayers) also do little to change the battlefield and can't drive the dug in Russian troops out of the east.

It's a bloody stalemate….

Redbrickbear said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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He's right that Russia will go on the offensive. It's just a question of when.

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They did in the winter to disastrous results, vatnik.

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Both sides have failed to do jack squat.

Russian offensives go nowhere…if they even get off the ground…and they don't trust their conscripts to do much more than dig trench lines. They have to rely on ex-prisoners and mercenaries to take any towns.

Ukrainian offenses (paid for by US taxpayers) also do little to change the battlefield and can't drive the dug in Russian troops out of the east.

It's a bloody stalemate….

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Agree on first RU part.

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

---

McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the standard insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians in mere weeks….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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He's right that Russia will go on the offensive. It's just a question of when.

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With what?

Russian logistics is knackered. They can't train and equip the troops they have, or support them with artillery, or armored vehicles, etc..... All they can do is hustle cannon fodder to the front to be mowed down, which is pretty much what they've been doing all along to no effect.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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HuMcK said:

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Just right off the top, the assessment that Russia's original strategy was to take Just Donetsk and Luhansk and then press for neutrality is laughably wrong. If that were true, then why did they rush for Kyiv and Karkhiv? Why is their main axis of advance happening up in Karkhiv right now? Ukraine was neutral as a deliberate policy before being invaded (twice), the US/Europe were even extremely reluctant to supply Ukraine with useful military aid packages out of deference for Russia. That's over now, because it is abundantly clear that Russia's word isn't worth the hot air they spent to give it.

McGregor is consistently pro Russian in his views, and a regular guest on RT, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he is advancing their narratives for them still.

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McGregor is simple to understand. Odds are more likely, for reasons pf policy expediency rather than military conditions, that the outcome would be a settlement short of the Uke goal of total expulsion of Russian forces. So, when it's all over, his predictions will be easily spun as prescient. He will be lionized by many as a genius. Sell lots of books. Get paid to make a lot of speeches. Build a large Twitter following to monetize. Perhaps get an endowed seat in a think-tank somewhere. If not here, then abroad. It's a sound business model. Like the guy who always predicts a market crash. Every few years, a correction will be big enough for make him look like a genius.

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I agree with that…

And I appreciate the analysis instead of just calling him a Russian troll (the stand insult these days).

I do think he is taking the easy way out in his predictions than giving us real insight.

His predictions for this war at the beginning have turned out to be very wrong and he constantly over estimates Russian military ability.

In his world Russia is always about to turn its economy to a war footing and begin producing overwhelming military equipment and new Russian troops are gonna launch a counter offensive that smashes the Ukrainians….instead nothing happens and the Russian conscripts just keep digging more trench lines and Russia keeps relying on China and Iran for ammo and drones.

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yep. And Ukraine is bringing on-line new domestic production of ammunition, advancing drone technology, etc..... Ukraine is getting stronger, while Russia is getting weaker.

Ukraine has maintained laser focus on interdicting Russian supply lines, and as a result, shortages of ammo & food & medicine are chronic in the Russian trenches. Russia, by contrast, has not spent much effort at all to do the same to Ukraine. EX: Russia is functionally out of smart weapons, and is having to use surface-air missiles as unguided rockets to hit Ukrainian urban areas. No aiming possible. Point & shoot. "Inexplicable" doesn't quite capture the magnitude of it. Incompetence is more like it. Meanwhile, Ukraine is using $2k drones to take out aircraft worth tens of millions of dollars.

Br'er Bear be snagged up in the briar patch...

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This is fanciful even by your standards. There are videos of Russian smart weapons being used every day.

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Sure, there are 100 or more snippets issued every day of the same Russian smart-weapon that got used last week. Russians are really good at that kind of disinformation.....putting out a dozen different videos taken from several different angles of the same destroyed tank. Etc....

Don't eat the cheese, buddy.

BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be no new deal on shipping grain through the Black Sea, which is seen as vital for global food supplies, until the West meets his demands. https://t.co/HRbz6gHt8w

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 4, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be no new deal on shipping grain through the Black Sea, which is seen as vital for global food supplies, until the West meets his demands. https://t.co/HRbz6gHt8w

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 4, 2023

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Such a calculated, collected, and reserved human. He should be lauded by bukkake fans like Sam the world over

trey3216 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be no new deal on shipping grain through the Black Sea, which is seen as vital for global food supplies, until the West meets his demands. https://t.co/HRbz6gHt8w

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 4, 2023

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Such a calculated, collected, and reserved human. He should be lauded by bukkake fans like Sam the world over

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He only understands one thing.

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be no new deal on shipping grain through the Black Sea, which is seen as vital for global food supplies, until the West meets his demands. https://t.co/HRbz6gHt8w

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 4, 2023

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Surprised it took Putin even this long to close the grain shipments.

War is a *****.

KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin says there will be no new deal on shipping grain through the Black Sea, which is seen as vital for global food supplies, until the West meets his demands. https://t.co/HRbz6gHt8w

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 4, 2023

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Surprised it took Putin even this long to close the grain shipments.

War is a *****.

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You want to worry about direct Russia/US confrontation, be prepared for Freedom of Navigation missions in the black sea.